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The Few And The Proud: Those Who Are Not Just Called But Chosen

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The Few, The Proud is a long standing motto of the US Marines, the toughest arm of the United States military, and I believe their standards run a strong parallel with those who will be chosen as soldiers in the end-time army of God. Not everyone will make it as has been prophesied. The question is, who will and who will not.

The apostle Peter will now point out how only a relative few were being saved in his time compared to the vast majority, because not many were able to endure the persecution that came along with preaching the gospel. He would therefore make the comparison to those who were saved during Noah's time, before God's judgment finally came upon the world.

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

When Peter talked about Christ preaching to the spirits in prison, he was talking about what traditional Christianity refers to as the Harrowing Of Hell. After the crucifixion, Christ Jesus descended into the Paradise side of the Underworld and preached to them that He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world for their sins, as foreshadowed in the Passover Lamb. After HIs preaching, they understood He was the promised Messiah, sent to lead them out of the Underworld and into Heaven, for the price had now been paid for them to enter into the very Presence of the Father. When He resurrected, scripture says that some of these saints who had died also resurrected with Him, and were seen walking the streets of Jerusalem after He rose from the dead:

The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. (Matt. 27:52–53)

But Peter was not referring to all of the Old Testament saints here. He was referring specifically to Noah and his family, and for a specific reason. He wanted to draw a parallel between how there were only a few in that day who trusted in God, and who were warning that a terrible judgment was coming, just like the New Testament saints were now doing. Peter would make this comparison again in his second letter:

1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets... 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget... the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 And the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.... 10 The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. (2 Peter 3:1-7, 10)

Like Noah and his family, the New Testament saints were "heralds of righteousness." Like Noah, they warned of a terrible judgement that was coming, and suffering ridicule as a result. And like Noah and his family, they were relatively few in number compared to the vast majority who did not believe.


A Culling Is Now Underway

Why, then, were the New Testament saints relatively few in number compared to the masses? Scripture suggests it is because it is a difficult road. One will increasingly be brought under discipline by the Lord, much like elite soldiers whose discipline must be of a higher order. And it is a road that must be chosen of one's own freewill, which most do not wish to take it.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Lest anyone think our God is not searching for spiritual soldiers, it should not be overlooked that the first Gentile He choose to have the Spirit poured out upon was a Roman centurion and his family, and very likely not just because they were devout but because He knew they would fight for what they believe, and die for it if necessary.

1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment, 2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always. 3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, “Cornelius!” 4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, lord?” So he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. 5 Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter. (Acts 10:1-4)

The Romans might not have respected other Gentiles having had some strange religious experience, but they would have no choice but to respect a military commander in their army. The building of God's army amongst the Gentiles began with Him choosing a Roman centurion; a trained leader of 80 men.

44 And while Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” (Acts 10:44-47)

So who is God choosing today? It appears the Lord is again in the selection process, in preparation for the great outpouring spoken of by the prophet Joel. This was prophesied very clearly beginning about four decades ago, when Harold Pittman - a former Baptist minister - was taken into 2nd Heaven, and had a number of things revealed to him by the Spirit of God.

God is now in the process of recruiting an army with which He will shake this world one more time. By working through His soldiers, God will produce great miracles that will shake the established hierarchy of so-called organized religion in the world today. These soldiers that God is now recruiting will demonstrate the power of God to a greater extent than did the disciples in the Pentecostal age. Some will be even greater demonstrations than that of Elijah... To the new recruit, I would say study the Bible diligently and seek the Lord's will in every aspect of your life. Time is short for your spiritual training, but you will be used in ways you never thought possible if you seek the Lord first in your life. You who are being chosen will be the soldiers of the latter rain as referred to in scripture. This recruitment is for the end of the great revival spoken of by the prophet Joel, which began on the day of Pentecost. The end-time of that great revival is the beginning of the latter rain, so you must prepare for the battle with the discipline of a professional soldier. Know this also: There shall be a time or process of "culling" those who are not qualified to be a member of this "Gideon's" army. Just as with Gideon's army in the Bible, only a select few will be fit for service in the army of Christian soldiers the Lord will use in the battle of the latter rain. (Pittman, Placebo, P.42-43)

As was also revealed, this army will also be characterized by holiness. Those whom He selects will lead holy lives, yet they will be people the world and even the church have overlooked.

"Behold, I am preparing a holy army. They will do mighty exploits for me and destroy your high places. They are an army of holy men and women, boys and girls. They have been anointed to preach the true gospel, to lay hands on the sick and to call the sinner to repentance. "This is an army of working men, housewives, single men, single women and schoolchildren. They are common people, for not many noble have responded to My call. In the past they have been misunderstood and mistreated, abused and rejected. But I have blessed them with boldness in holiness and in spirit. They will begin to fulfill My prophecy, and to do My will. I will walk in them, talk in them I and work in them...

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"These are they who have turned to me with all their heart, soul, mind and strength. This army will awaken many to righteousness and purity of spirit. I will soon begin to move upon them, to choose for My army those I desire. I will search for them in the cities and in the towns. Many will be surprised at those I have chosen. You will see them begin to move across the land and do exploits for My name's sake. Watch and see My power at work... They shall be called the army of the Lord. I will give gifts unto them, and they will accomplish My mighty works. They shall do exploits for the Lord of glory. I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy. This army shall fight against the forces of evil and shall destroy much of Satan's work. They shall win many to Jesus Christ before the day the evil beast arises," said the Lord. (Baxter, A Divine Revelation Of Hell, P.140-141)


Power In The "Resurrection"

Peter mentioned one other thing in this context. Water baptism, and how it likened us to Christ in His resurrection. Water baptism represented dying to the old man, and coming up out of water as a new one. The Holy Spirit was then supposed to be poured out, empowering the believer into ministry as a soldier of Christ.

But truly crucifying or mortifying the old man involved fasting the flesh down, to just making believe it had mystically been out to death, which is why the early soldiers of Christ fasted their flesh, beginning again with Cornelius:

30 So Cornelius said [to Peter], “Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God. 32 Send therefore to Joppa and call Simon here, whose surname is Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, by the sea. When he comes, he will speak to you.’

Joel Chapter 2 prophesies that fasting will again be required in the building of His end-time army, for those who would have the power of God poured out upon them. They will need to subjugate their flesh under them to qualify.

12 “Now, therefore,” says the Lord, “Turn to Me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.” 13 So rend your heart, and not your garments; Return to the Lord your God.. 15 Consecrate a fast. Call a sacred assembly. 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children and nursing babes. Let the bridegroom come out from his chamber, and the bride from her dressing room. 17 Let the priests who minister to the Lord weep between the porch and the altar. Let them say, “Spare Your people, O Lord, and do not give Your heritage to reproach, that the nations should rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples, ‘Where is their God?’” (Joel 2:12-13, 15-17)

What will be the result of this fasting and prayer. They will be fierce and their mere presence will cause men to fear, for they will have the discipline of professional soldiers in the field in all they do:

6 Before [this army] the people writhe in pain. All faces are drained of color. 7 They run like mighty men. They climb the wall like men of war. Every one marches in formation, and they do not break ranks. 8 They do not push one another. Every one marches in his own column. Though they lunge between the weapons, they are not cut down... 10 The earth quakes before them. The heavens tremble. The sun and moon grow dark, and the stars diminish their brightness. 11 The Lord gives voice before His army, for His camp is very great. For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible. Who can endure it? 12 “Now, therefore,” says the Lord, “Turn to Me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning” (Joel 2:6-12)

So where are you today? Do you have hopes of being chosen for the end-time army of God? If so, Jesus gave some clear instructions on what to do. If you would wish to be granted greater authority in Him, the command was to fast and pray, for to those who did so in secret, He would eventually reward them openly.

16 “Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. (Matthew 6:16-18)


Questions And Applications

1. How many do you believe are fit for service in the army of God at the present time? Whether few or many, explain why you give the answer that you give?

2. What could be done to recruit more solders into the end-time army of God?

3. Do you believe you yourself will be chosen? Keep in mind, those chosen for army of God will need to be able to withstand persecution and ridicule, and they will need to be able to give themselves to fasting and prayer to see the Holy Spirit poured out upon them in greater measure.
 
Questions And Applications

1. How many do you believe are fit for service in the army of God at the present time? Whether few or many, explain why you give the answer that you give?

I personally believe there will be a lot more saved for the Kingdom of God than there will be in this "Army." God chose a smaller Gideon's Army for the glory of a particular victory, but the beneficiaries were the nation as a whole.

When Jesus said that the path is wide that leads to destruction, it does not always indicate damnation. Some are saved with the destruction of their carnal works, still having their souls saved.

The narrow path is reserved for those who God can rely on to speak for Him and to act for Him. This is a much smaller number than the number of true Christians on earth.

By personal experience I've seen many Christians resort to less-productive Christian lives. And I've seen many casualties of spiritual warfare. So there will be much fewer who persevere in wanting to be used by God.
2. What could be done to recruit more solders into the end-time army of God?

When we become soldiers it is our natural duty to recruit. We need an army, and not fight alone. This is just good military strategy, to prepare organized resistance to enemy tactics. We build one another up and encourage them to recognize and to use their natural and spiritual gifts for the Lord.

And we need to learn to submit to one another, it being that there are diverse forms of Christian expression in the Church. If we can't submit to one another, how can we say we're in submission to Christ himself?
3. Do you believe you yourself will be chosen? Keep in mind, those chosen for army of God will need to be able to withstand persecution and ridicule, and they will need to be able to give themselves to fasting and prayer to see the Holy Spirit poured out upon them in greater measure.

I've been on a life-long recovery program, still being used by God, though in a somewhat diminished way. Many of us are pioneers in our own backgrounds, being born into adverse conditions, and suffering because of that.

But however we've come into this world, and regardless of how tough it is, we can pursue God and His word where we find ourselves. And we can prevail, as I believe I'm doing.
 
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.
Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.
They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like men of war;
Every one marches in formation,
And they do not break ranks.
They do not push one another;
Every one marches in his own column.
Though they lunge between the weapons,
They are not cut down.
Joel 2:2-8
 
1. How many do you believe are fit for service in the army of God at the present time? Whether few or many, explain why you give the answer that you give?

I would say probly 100s of thousands. Given that there are billions of people. It seems like a good ratio. If you count to a million, it would take 11.5 days. If you count to a billion, it would take 31.5 years.
2. What could be done to recruit more solders into the end-time army of God?

Repentance, prayer, and fasting, so the Spirit will move.
3. Do you believe you yourself will be chosen? Keep in mind, those chosen for army of God will need to be able to withstand persecution and ridicule, and they will need to be able to give themselves to fasting and prayer to see the Holy Spirit poured out upon them in greater measure.

I believe I'm already in the battlefield. And I hope I can be chosen for the great outpouring.
 
When Jesus said that the path is wide that leads to destruction, it does not always indicate damnation. Some are saved with the destruction of their carnal works, still having their souls saved.

The narrow path is reserved for those who God can rely on to speak for Him and to act for Him. This is a much smaller number than the number of true Christians on earth.

Thats really interesting, i always believed the narrow road was being washed in the blood of the Lamb. I never imagined it was a calling reserved for a small sect of the Christian population. Could you tell me more about this, Randy?
 
Thats really interesting, i always believed the narrow road was being washed in the blood of the Lamb. I never imagined it was a calling reserved for a small sect of the Christian population. Could you tell me more about this, Randy?

Well, you're right to ask because it's arguable and more like speculation on my part. Sadly, it's my style to act like I speak with authority even when I'm guessing! ;)

So there are several reasons--some just pure logic.

1) God is unlikely to fail to win at least half of what He created for His glory. So at a minimum I would guess God will save at least half of mankind, or perhaps just 1/3 of humanity, if He is replacing the 1/3 of angels he lost to Satan. No promises!

Matt 25.31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Gen 1.28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

Isa 55.11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


2) Israel was kept even when a very small minority was faithful to God. For example, Elijah thought he and only about 7000 men were faithful to God in his time. 1 Kings 19.18. However, instead of just saving 7000 men God continued to reach out to the whole nation.

Rom 11.25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved.

That means not that every Jew or citizen of Israel will be saved, but that the political salvation of Israel will present a whole nation filled with saved individuals, even if not all of them will be saved.

3) There are numerous examples in the Scriptures of God using a believer even after they had walked away, so to speak. Moses, Samson, Peter--all Christians have issues at times. If they can return, then many can be forgiven and at least given a 2nd chance, though they may continue to be as weak as when God initially forgave them. If He forgave them once He will forgive them again. If He ignored their failiure the 1st time, He will ignore their failure the 2nd time.

4) Paul said that Christians can produce different kinds of works, some that are to be destroyed, and some that will resound to God's glory.

1 Corinthians 3:12-13 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.

1 John 2.28 And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.


This could mean that some Christians will go to heaven with an immediate sense of shame, though they will be forgiven for their failures. It's debatable.

Ultimately, my purpose in even suggesting this is to display my sense of God's grace, that He never tires in forgiving--70 x 7. And personally, I've known friends who could not overcome their sins and yet believed in God and called upon Him for mercy.

I had an alcoholic friend who had accepted Christ and occasionally tried to beat his habit. But he failed, gave up and probably died drunk and asleep in a house fire while he was on fire watch.

I had another friend who had terrible back pain and died apparently hanging himself on Halloween, whether by accident as a prank or by suicide. The guy managed our sound system for our church and was a good guy, and I believe he will be in heaven.

I believe we will all die with some stains on our record, and some stains will be terrible for some. But God's grace covers all sin when we call upon Him sincerely. And I believe God will save all who cast their trust in Him and believe in His word.

That's what I believe, and I'm sticking with it... :)
 
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I personally believe there will be a lot more saved for the Kingdom of God than there will be in this "Army." God chose a smaller Gideon's Army for the glory of a particular victory, but the beneficiaries were the nation as a whole.

That's absolutely right, Randy, or so I believe as well. I read in another vision that although many will be driven away by the increasingly hateful climate that is coming against Christianity worldwide, when the army of God starts to take the ground back many of those who were in hiding will resurface. And the parallel is perfect the way you put it. Not all were chosen, but everyone benefited from those who were.
The narrow path is reserved for those who God can rely on to speak for Him and to act for Him. This is a much smaller number than the number of true Christians on earth.

There are visions I could provide later (see Post #13 below) that in the future God's army will be composed of three sections: An exceedingly large section of highly undisciplined "soldiers" who have no true leaders and wander about from place to place looking for leadership that they never find; a second smaller group but still quite large that is somewhat productive but eats up a lot of the ground it takes (or in other words they expect a great deal for their "services" to others, and sometimes end up taking more than they give; and then a third much smaller army that is made up of the true soldiers of God. Their armor will glisten in the sun, and they will march with great discipline, yet it will also seem like they were one big family.
By personal experience I've seen many Christians resort to less-productive Christian lives. And I've seen many casualties of spiritual warfare.

I'm not sure I wanna go into that right now. It's too depressing. Dear friends who you care about so much, and then the enemy throws some serious opposition at them... terrible stories sometimes.
When we become soldiers it is our natural duty to recruit.

This is what I am about, and it is why I am here. It's why I post these studies and other material; to hopefully help draw more people, or at the very least help them to grow right where they are, and encourage the nations they are a part of.
 
Repentance, prayer, and fasting, so the Spirit will move.

Yes. I might not have included repentance in the past, assuming it was a given. But it's really not. There were additional passages in the quotes I was going to give on the army of God, and they went more into detail on keeping the marriage bed holy. His soldiers will have to devote themselves to holiness, if they would truly see the Holy Spirit manifest completely through them.
I believe I'm already in the battlefield. And I hope I can be chosen for the great outpouring.

Me too, and I share the exact same sentiments. I feel like I've been prepared for so much, and yet we cannot simply take anything for granted.
 
That's absolutely right, Randy, or so I believe as well. I read in another vision that although many will be driven away by the increasingly hateful climate that is coming against Christianity worldwide, when the army of God starts to take the ground back many of those who were in hiding will resurface. And the parallel is perfect the way you put it. Not all were chosen, but everyone benefited from those who were.


There are visions I could provide later that in the future God's people will be composed of three sections: An exceedingly large section of highly undisciplined "soldiers" who have no true leaders and wander about from place to place looking for leadership that they never find; a second smaller group but still quite large that is somewhat productive but eats up a lot of the ground it takes (or in other words they expect a great deal for their "services" to others, and end up taking more than they give; and then a third much smaller section that was made up of the true soldiers of God. It said their armor glistened in the sun, and they marched with great discipline, yet it also seemed like they were all one great big family.


I'm not sure I wanna go into that right now. It's too depressing. Dear friends who you care about so much, and then the enemy throws some serious opposition at them... terrible stories sometimes.


This is what I am about, and it is why I am here. It's why I post these studies and other material; to hopefully help draw more people, or at the very least help them to grow right where they are, and encourage the nations they are a part of.

Amen! Often I feel so helpless because we are trying to draw people to a *cross*--an instrument of torture, of death, and misery!

I was at a meeting with speaker Deverne Fromke many years ago, and he suggested we not worry too much about drawing people to Christ. He indicated it is a mystical power that draws them--not dressing up a pile of thorns with roses.

Christ himself is the object of our devotion, and it is stronger than anything. Unpopular though it may be right now, we need to stay true to the message, knowing that God's power is in His word, whether the world accepts it or not. What is driving the universe and world history is God's living word--His prophetic word.

So I expect times when Christianity is unpopular, and all are falling away. I had a vision in my mind as a child of this happening, of all of my friends and compatriots wandered away from the victory and instead, irrationally choosing to follow the crowd.

However, just when we think God is losing, things can suddenly change. It's amazing how one moment we can be castoffs and the next moment at the center of what God's doing in the world! We just need to be faithful to what God is showing and telling us. We need to "soldier on."

Thanks!
 
Christ himself is the object of our devotion, and it is stronger than anything. Unpopular though it may be right now, we need to stay true to the message, knowing that God's power is in His word, whether the world accepts it or not. What is driving the universe and world history is God's living word--His prophetic word.

Glorious!
However, just when we think God is losing, things can suddenly change. It's amazing how one moment we can be castoffs and the next moment at the center of what God's doing in the world!

Isn't it true!

It really is amazing. I think He allows us to go through what look like defeats and weaknesses just to remind us that the power is in Him and not of ourselves. If we lose sight of that is when we may be headed for some REAL defeats, so reminds us of who the answer is.

I may do a little write up of that vision of the three armies later today. If I do, I'll tag a link to it in this thread here.

Have a great Saturday, and blessings in Christ!
 
I may do a little write up of that vision of the three armies later today. If I do, I'll tag a link to it in this thread here.

RandyK.

About that army of God vision, I managed to find an online version so I just copied and pasted it. Thankful, cuz It's a little long to have to type out in full.

 
RandyK.

About that army of God vision, I managed to find an online version so I just copied and pasted it. Thankful, cuz It's a little long to have to type out in full.
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Intereseting! Thankyou. I think both of us can understand the meaning. Sadly, I wonder if those who are farther behind in this Army even recognize the differences between the different Army groups?

I do think Christians oftten recognize that they're not "up to par," and perhaps are just content with being "forgiven" and "imperfect?" Have you heard of the little book, "Visions Beyond the Veil?"

I don't know if I've mentioned it to you before (getting old), but the part I remember is these Chinese children seeing a vision of Christians rising up from story to story in a large building. As each level was reached, some of the Christians wanted to get "off the elevator" and remain in a wonderful place, unconcerned that there were higher levels to achieve.

Ultimately, fewer and fewer approached the top story. This is a butchered version, but basically what I remember after 50 + years! ;) It kind of goes along with your idea of different levels of Christianity participating in the "war."

We should all know it's true, since Paul compared our Christian journey to a "race." We are not competing against one another, but against ourselves and our faith, or the lack thereof. We are encouraged to soldier on, even when we think ourselves weak and failing.

Jesus seemed to encourage believers to "endure to the end."
 
Interesting! Thankyou. I think both of us can understand the meaning. Sadly, I wonder if those who are farther behind in this Army even recognize the differences between the different Army groups?

Probably not. There was more to that vision than what I posted and maybe I can add it in later, but the Lord informed him that at the present time nearly all the army is in the condition of the last group. What's especially tragic is when believers have no vision for what they CAN be and are simply wallowing around in what currently is.
I do think Christians oftten recognize that they're not "up to par," and perhaps are just content with being "forgiven" and "imperfect?" Have you heard of the little book, "Visions Beyond the Veil?"

Yes I have! I read it many years ago : )
I don't know if I've mentioned it to you before (getting old), but the part I remember is these Chinese children seeing a vision of Christians rising up from story to story in a large building. As each level was reached, some of the Christians wanted to get "off the elevator" and remain in a wonderful place, unconcerned that there were higher levels to achieve.

Very common theme in many of the visions of God; that there is an increasing climb, and fewer and fewer wish to go all the way to the top. I pray I don't let Him down there myself.
We should all know it's true, since Paul compared our Christian journey to a "race." We are not competing against one another, but against ourselves and our faith, or the lack thereof.

Excellent point! :thm
 
Probably not. There was more to that vision than what I posted and maybe I can add it in later, but the Lord informed him that at the present time nearly all the army is in the condition of the last group. What's especially tragic is when believers have no vision for what they CAN be and are simply wallowing around in what currently is.


Yes I have! I read it many years ago : )


Very common theme in many of the visions of God; that there is an increasing climb, and fewer and fewer wish to go all the way to the top. I pray I don't let Him down there myself.


Excellent point! :thm
I think you're right, that perhaps most Christians today are falling short, and don't even recognize their own spiritual poverty. I think some of the serious errors I've made in my life were due to the unfortunate condition of the church I grew up in.

But the punishment I've suffered from my mistakes has not been to no effect. I've had to sort of sit on the shelf for years, contemplating all of this and strengthen myself for future battles.

One thing I noticed, in my studies, that in early Christian history, spiritual ambition took on a carnal aspect, as Christian monks tried to out compete others in their self-abasement and self-degradation. They either climbed pillars, depriving themselves of family and health, or they went out into the wilderness as hermits, hoping to show their utter dependance on God.

It reminds me of how Ananias was told, "Who told you that you had to give all of your property away? But worse, you didn't do what you said and lied to the Holy Spirit!"

And so, giving things away isn't "spirituality." It is a particular decision in a particular environment where sometimes it may be the best option. Marrying is largely the more "spiritual" thing to do, at least according to the Jews, but Paul suggested that there are times when if you can do so you should forego marriage in an environment where raising a family would be difficult for the family.

Doing harm to yourself through ascetism is more like what Satan tempted Jesus with, calling for him to throw himself down from the cliff. Tempting God with unwise behaviors is *not* spiritual.

Nevertheless, these early Christians had tremendous zeal, and even in the poverty of their knowledge they did their best to achieve greater spirituality with God. And so, despite their ignorance and despite their foolishness, I admire them as those who seek "the better way."

We don't have to give up a lot, except any wish to do things apart from God. If we make a covenant with God to do nothing without Him we will be as spiritual as we can be. He will never lead us astray.

Anyway, these are my thoughts and my experience. I write these things "in blood," but that doesn't make them true. I've lived a somewhat tortured life, but am coming out on the sunny side of life--retired, happily married, doing well, content. There remains in me the desire to do more for the Lord... But it is up to Him. :)
 
I've lived a somewhat tortured life, but am coming out on the sunny side of life--retired, happily married, doing well, content. There remains in me the desire to do more for the Lord... But it is up to Him. :)

I can tell it in your posts.

I've lived a tortured life as well, and it continues. But you trust God. I have many of the things you spoke of as well. A happy marriage, a peaceful home life, a peaceful job that meets my needs and provides no stress. My ministry life is something altogether different, but then, when we bring the sword that is what will happen. We cannot expect to and the enemy not bring opposition and affliction.

Is what it is. I figure if the Lord allows it, then it is for my good. :Resp
 
1. How many do you believe are fit for service in the army of God at the present time? Whether few or many, explain why you give the answer that you give?

If you are a Christian you are fit to be in the army of God because there are many, many positions to fill for instance are you a prayer warrior or a teacher or a minister, do you visit the sick and those unable to care for themselves. You do not have to be on the front lines or in the trenches to be in God's Army.
2. What could be done to recruit more solders into the end-time army of God?

Be a happy warrior in God's army , people seeing your example is what will get the people of the world to want to be enlisted.
3. Do you believe you yourself will be chosen? Keep in mind, those chosen for army of God will need to be able to withstand persecution and ridicule, and they will need to be able to give themselves to fasting and prayer to see the Holy Spirit poured out upon them in greater measure.

I prayed a prayer to be enjoined to the battle and that is where I am now. The greater measure of the Holy Spirit poured upon me has been beyond anything I would have imagined, God has blessed me so much.
 
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