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Charismatic Bible Studies - 1 Peter 3:8-17

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Staying Alert In The Spiritual War, And Ever Ready To Withstand Attacks

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One of Satan's goals is to try and lure us into hatred and resentment. To this end he uses demonic spirits to incite the unsaved and even Christians to attack us, hoping to seduce us into a spirit bitterness; one which if harbored will quench the Spirit of Love, Joy and Peace within us. This is one of the reasons we are commanded by God to walk in forgiveness and long-suffering, especially towards our brethren in Christ. By training ourselves to reject such spirits we become stronger in the spiritual war, and capable at defeating the enemy's plans at every turn.

8 Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; 9 not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing. 10 For “He who would love life and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips from speaking deceit. 11 Let him turn away from evil and do good. Let him seek peace and pursue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous. And His ears are open to their prayers. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” 13 And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. 17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. (1 Peter 3:8-17)

"If he would love life and see good days" meant, "If you do not wish to potentially see great sufferings or even die at the hands of persecutors, train yourselves to refrain your tongue from speaking evil when evils are committed against you." Many were suffering and dying at the hands of Christ's enemies during New Testament times. Should they be seduced by demonic spirits into slandering or even cursing their persecutors put of spite, they in effect provided justification for the wicked treatment they received.

Peter was here writing primarily to Jewish Christians, but the apostle Paul wrote similar things to the Gentiles, attesting that stiff-necked Jews sometimes had "the poison of snakes" under their tongues, a reference to giving into the influence of demonic spirits:

As it has been written, there is no one who is righteous, not even one... there is no one practicing kindness. Their throat is an opened grave, and with their tongues they practice deceit. The poison of snakes is under their lips, by which their mouth is filled of bitterness and cursing. Their feet are swift to shed blood. Ruin and misery are in their ways, and the way of peace they did not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Romans 3:10-18)

James said the same thing. Bitter and sweet water could both come from the mouths of Jewish believers if they they did not subjugate their tongues, and keep the "death-dealing poison" from pouring into others:

Every species of beasts, both of birds and of reptiles and of creatures of the sea, is being subdued and has been subdued by the human species. But no one among men is able to subdue the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of death-dealing poison. By this we bless our Lord and Father, and by this we curse men who have been made after the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth goes forth blessing and cursing. (James 3:7-10) *** add a few verses more, where the word "demonic" is used.

When believers allowed demons to use them and speak through them, it would cause bitterness to spread through congregations. Giving into such evil spirits was the opposite of holiness, for it constituted what the writer of Hebrews called becoming spiritually "defiled."

Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: watching carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled (Hebrews 12:14-16)

So the command here was to remain ready to give a courteous answer to anyone asking why we believed, and ready also to return blessings for curses to those who reviled us, that the mouths of our accusers might be stopped when they finally realized the truth.


Physical & Emotional Affliction

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12)

Persecution and affliction can take many forms, both physical and emotional. In the above passage Jesus was referencing both. The pains of physical affliction were implied in the persecution they would suffer, but emotional affliction was also implied in their potentially "saying all manner of evil against you falsely." In other words, they would outright lie, and make up the wicked things to say about believers to try and put them to shame publicly and disgrace them, as a means of justifying beating them or torturing them.

The same thing happens on many Christian forums today. Believers get into heated debate over doctrine, and speak all manner of evil against one another, afflicting each other emotionally. I am no stranger to this, so I can personally testify to how unpleasant it can be. I recently logged onto a Christian forum I had not frequented in several years to maybe get reacquainted with some old friends. There was one brother who I had often been at odds with because he didn't believe in the gifts were still for today, and always downplayed things when I spoke of it. Purportedly there was never enough "real proof." Yet he seemed cordial enough, so I was sincerely hoping maybe he and I might make a new start, and greeted him warmly.

A few days later I posted a dream on behalf of a friend which suggested potential bombing incidents associated with the election might take place. Yet before the ink had barely dried on it, this same brother appeared and began commenting - not to me directly but to others - that such "prophecies" were simply crude sensationalism and nothing more; that it was merely an attempt on people's part to draw attention to themselves. I told him he ought to be ashamed of making accusations like that, to which he replied that it was not mine to judge.

Well, the following day revealed that it was not just sensationalism but that the dream had been from God, and that numerous bombing threats had been made at dozens of polling stations in the battleground States. There was now a temptation to ask my "friend" if it was just sensationalism now, but I refrained. It was not without a struggle, however, because it was admittedly two days of wanting to address what I regarded as hypocrisy and cowardice on his part for posting that stuff yet not being willing to say it directly to my face. This song rang in my ears for a few days in the aftermath, because his insults had stirred up a hornet's nest I was having a tough time dealing with.


Intro:
Walking around I hear the Earth seeking relief
I'm trying to find a reason to live
But the mindless clutter my path
Oh these thorns in my side
Oh these thorns in my side
I know I have something free
I have something so alive
I think they shoot 'cause they want it
I think they shoot 'cause they want it
I think they shoot 'cause they want it

Song:
I feel forces all around me
Come on raise your head
Those who hide behind the shadows
Live with all that's dead
Look at me, look at me,
Look at me, At least look at me when you shoot a bullet
Through my head, through my head, through my head

In my lifetime when I'm disgraced
Jealousy and lies
I laugh aloud 'cause my life
Has gotten inside someone else's mind
Look at me, look at me,
Look at me, At least look at me when you shoot a bullet
Through my head, through my head, through my head

Hey all I want is what's real
Something I touch and can feel
I'll hold it close and never let it go
Said why, why do we live life
With all this hate inside
I'll give it away 'cause I don't want it no more
Please help me find a place
Somewhere far away
Yes, I'll go and you'll never see me again

Look at me, Look at me
At least look at me when you shoot a bullet
Through my head, through my head, through my head
Look at me, Look at me
At least look at me when you shoot a bullet
Through my head, through my head, through my head
Look at me
Look at me
 
How The Gifts Can Prepare Us

It is easier to cope with Satan's attacks when you know they are coming, and you are at least able to prepare yourself in advance. Not long before the above incident took place, a friend sent me the following dream warning me and those I was in association with that my participation at that forum might be potentially dangerous, given that I might not handle everything like an innocent little lamb. This was a replacement dream where the brother who received it was placed into the role of my friends over at that forum.

We have a mountain lion cub living in the house with us and it is a rescue. It is like a pet to us now. Dad observes us treating the lion cub like a pet and tells us it is still a wild animal. I look at the lion cub laying there resting, and I stroke its fur and think "But it is just like a pet, nothing wild about it." End of dream.

cub.jpg

The image was fitting, which I in turn sent on as well. I informed them - based on this dream - that while I would be as warm as possible, there was no guarantee I wouldn't go off on somebody some day and the fur and feathers be flying around all over the place. I had done it at that forum before. "Dad" was God the Father, and He warning them through this dream that I might not be as innocent-looking as I appeared.

Does the Lord expect us to be perfect? No He does not, and it's why Paul made allowance for the fact that as servants of God we can nevertheless sometimes become very angry with people. He simply taught that we must not allow that anger to take up permanent residence in our hearts, lest it turn into bitterness and resentment, and we make it the home for a demonic spirit rather than Him:

26 “Be angry, yet sin not.” Do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the Devil... 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but [only] that which is good to the use of edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God through whom you were sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 but let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. (Ephesians 4:26-31)

The truth is that those moving in the prophetic can be made aware of what is coming before it gets here, so that they are prepared to face it psychologically without being tripped up. Paul was forewarned warned by the prophet Agabus that he would be handcuffed and executed if he went back to Jerusalem, but Paul's response suggests he already knew this was coming, and was already prepared emotionally and psychologically to face what God was telling him to do.

7 And when we had finished our voyage from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, greeted the brethren, and stayed with them one day. 8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’” 12 Now when we heard these things, both we and those from that place pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, “What do you mean by weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14 So when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, “The will of the Lord be done.” (Acts 21:7-14)

The truth is that those called of God may be asked to do many painful things. They may be called upon to face rejection even from family and friends, and those they hold most dear. But when the Spirit of God has prepared you, you know you will not be without a Comforter in the midst of it. He is a good God, and He will make a way of escape from temptation before we ever get there, so that we can continue walking with Him from victory to victory, no matter what the enemy might bring, or have prepared against us.

Image and dream provided by Talons @ swf.community.forum


Questions And Applications

1. Have you ever been deeply offended by something posted by another member at a Christian forum, whether towards you or towards someone else? Without naming names or giving too many details, what came of the experience?

2. Are there types of attacks in particular to your person that you think can set you off?

3. Have you ever practiced what is called targeted dreaming or targeted prophecy, where you seek the Lord for revelation concerning a specific situation you need Divine guidance on? (see post below)
 
3. Have you ever practiced what is called targeted dreaming or targeted prophecy, where you seek the Lord for revelation concerning a specific situation you need Divine guidance on?

For more on this subject, I did a short write up on it here:
 
Staying Alert In The Spiritual War, And Ever Ready To Withstand Attacks

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One of Satan's goals is to try and lure us into hatred and resentment. To this end he uses demonic spirits to incite the unsaved and even Christians to attack us, hoping to seduce us into a spirit bitterness; one which if harbored will quench the Spirit of Love, Joy and Peace within us. This is one of the reasons we are commanded by God to walk in forgiveness and long-suffering, especially towards our brethren in Christ. By training ourselves to reject such spirits we become stronger in the spiritual war, and capable at defeating the enemy's plans at every turn.

8 Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; 9 not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing. 10 For “He who would love life and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips from speaking deceit. 11 Let him turn away from evil and do good. Let him seek peace and pursue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous. And His ears are open to their prayers. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” 13 And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good? 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. 17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. (1 Peter 3:8-17)

"If he would love life and see good days" meant, "If you do not wish to potentially see great sufferings or even die at the hands of persecutors, train yourselves to refrain your tongue from speaking evil when evils are committed against you." Many were suffering and dying at the hands of Christ's enemies during New Testament times. Should they be seduced by demonic spirits into slandering or even cursing their persecutors put of spite, they in effect provided justification for the wicked treatment they received.

Peter was here writing primarily to Jewish Christians, but the apostle Paul wrote similar things to the Gentiles, attesting that stiff-necked Jews sometimes had "the poison of snakes" under their tongues, a reference to giving into the influence of demonic spirits:

As it has been written, there is no one who is righteous, not even one... there is no one practicing kindness. Their throat is an opened grave, and with their tongues they practice deceit. The poison of snakes is under their lips, by which their mouth is filled of bitterness and cursing. Their feet are swift to shed blood. Ruin and misery are in their ways, and the way of peace they did not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Romans 3:10-18)

James said the same thing. Bitter and sweet water could both come from the mouths of Jewish believers if they they did not subjugate their tongues, and keep the "death-dealing poison" from pouring into others:

Every species of beasts, both of birds and of reptiles and of creatures of the sea, is being subdued and has been subdued by the human species. But no one among men is able to subdue the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of death-dealing poison. By this we bless our Lord and Father, and by this we curse men who have been made after the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth goes forth blessing and cursing. (James 3:7-10) *** add a few verses more, where the word "demonic" is used.

When believers allowed demons to use them and speak through them, it would cause bitterness to spread through congregations. Giving into such evil spirits was the opposite of holiness, for it constituted what the writer of Hebrews called becoming spiritually "defiled."

Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: watching carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled (Hebrews 12:14-16)

So the command here was to remain ready to give a courteous answer to anyone asking why we believed, and ready also to return blessings for curses to those who reviled us, that the mouths of our accusers might be stopped when they finally realized the truth.

I will post this scripture, because it is number one of what I call the big three when counseling people and taking them through deliverance.

The Big Three are:
  1. Unforgiveness
  2. Ungodly soul ties
  3. Generational curses (iniquities)

Understanding the power of forgiveness: Three vital keys of understanding

21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28 “But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses
.” Matthew 18:21-35


Three keys of understanding:

So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” Matthew 18:35​


  1. This pertains to us as Christians: Our Heavenly Father will do to us as the king did to the wicked servant who refused to forgive.
  2. The forgiveness we once had will be taken back and the sentence will be reinstated.
  3. We will be handed over to the torturers to be tormented until we learn to forgive.


For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

If we don't forgive then the forgiveness of sins we ourselves once enjoyed, which empowered us to have peace with God, will be removed, and we will be given over to the tormentors, to be tormented, and if we are stubborn and continue and refuse to forgive, and die in this condition, without the forgiveness of our sins then we will go the way of unbelievers in the end.

How many Christians suffer from anxiety and anger issues, nightmares, and various torments?

They go to doctors who are only too happy to put them on drugs (sorcery) which only leads to more are more open doors to the enemy, until they are taking street drugs and drinking alcohol to find relief.

The answer is to get down on your knees, and humble yourself before your merciful Heavenly Father and repent, and forgive the one who hurt you or abandoned you, or abused you...

Many Christians have carried trauma and abuse from childhood and don't know how to get free!

Knowing the truth about the power of forgiveness is the answer.

So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” John 20:21-23





JLB
 
  1. This pertains to us as Christians: Our Heavenly Father will do to us as the king did to the wicked servant who refused to forgive.
  2. The forgiveness we once had will be taken back and the sentence will be reinstated.
  3. We will be handed over to the torturers to be tormented until we learn to forgive.

That's good actually. I once used to interpret that passage as referring to salvation, but the context doesn't quite fit. How can "until the debt should be paid off" if it's a reference to spending time in Hell, unless torment has a limited duration time?

So your application works well, IMO.
The answer is to get down on your knees, and humble yourself before your merciful Heavenly Father and repent, and forgive the one who hurt you or abandoned you, or abused you...

Yes. I was once very active at the forum where these things happened. Only I could get incredibly mean and demeaning there at times. When I came here I turned over a new leaf and said I wasn't doing that anymore, and I have kept that commitment. It has been a much better feeling consistently responding to people kindly and respectfully...

The thing is - and there's something I need to post soon on this - but the enemy can also work witchcraft on people including those you are genuinely close friends with, and cause them to stick the knife to you. And if the enemy takes you seriously enough, it can happen with amazing consistency. So the Lord uses it to eventually just break you completely. You accept the fact that anyone could do it at any time, and eventually just die to the idea of hoping it won't.

Strange world, but unless you embrace the fiery wheel that burns away the impurities, you'll never get to the place James was talking about when he mentioned perfecting endurance.
 
That's good actually. I once used to interpret that passage as referring to salvation, but the context doesn't quite fit. How can "until the debt should be paid off" if it's a reference to spending time in Hell, unless torment has a limited duration time?

Brother, first of all, let me say you are keenly insightful.

I appreciate that quality in people. :salute


Of course it ultimately refers to a person going to hell, because if they die in their sins, not having been forgiven of their sins, then of course they will go to hell, along with the unsaved who also die in their sins.

However, the torment in this life is to wake up a person to the reality that something isn’t right between themselves and God.

Unfortunately trials and torments and issues we bring on to ourselves are used to cause us to turn back to God.

though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. Hebrews 5:8

Consider the prodigal son who became lost, but who “came to himself” and returned to his father, because he finally had a gutfull of a life of disobedience; of eating the fruit of his own way.

The torment is to make you uncomfortable in your disobedience to forgive SO THAT you don’t die in that condition and have to go to hell.


Considering the phrase “until he pays the last penny”, that is another discussion that we can have looking at others scriptures that speak of these things.



JLB
 
The thing is - and there's something I need to post soon on this - but the enemy can also work witchcraft on people including those you are genuinely close friends with, and cause them to stick the knife to you.

Amen. So true. :salute


I have saying when I am teaching deliverance classes. I say it to be controversial on purpose, to help people to understand about how soul ties operate, whether godly or ungodly.


The number one strategy of God is friends and family.

The number one strategy of the Devil is friends and family.


IOW’s the enemy is wise, he knows how to use those who are closest to us to hurt us, wound us and to try to create unforgiveness and bitterness.


Remember bitterness can lead to witchcraft. Witchcraft is subtle and is the use of sorcery to influence people to give the witch money.

(Don’t get me started on how this operates in churches)



And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”
Acts 8:13-23
 
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The number one strategy of God is friends and family.

The number one strategy of the Devil is friends and family.

Isn't that the truth!

It works both ways, doesn't it. I was just posting to Randy that I've been going through it lately actually. Got so severe about 3-4 days ago that it felt like I was breaking apart. Started despairing of life (not related to the stuff described in the OP). I was out in a field praying and told Him, "I feel like my life is cursed." But then He said it was cursed but it wasn't He who was cursing it. That did it right there. I stopped with the grieving unto death business and put my big boy pants back on.

Excellent insight. The fight is among one's family and friends, and one must be prepared to suffer rejection by those we love the most.
 
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