Charismatics ARE Cessationists

[reba]

<DIR>2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
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[zone]

Healing is part of the Atonement.

apparently your 'church' doesn't believe in sickness, disease and death as a result of SIN, specifically the FALL. do you believe in ORIGINAL SIN?

I INSIST YOU DOCUMENT THIS CLAIM IN SCRIPTURE.
if you do not, i will report you to the administration as a deliberate and peristent false teacher.

He promises to heal us of all our diseases.

i asked for Scriptural documentation.
you are DISCUSSING THE WORK OF JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD ON THE CROSS AT CALVARY.

you had better have biblical evidence for your claim that PHYSICAL HEALING IS PART OF THE ATONEMENT...this is a very serious matter.

i insist on seeing BIBLICAL PROOF.

 

[Alabaster]

Ok

With every head closed

and every eye bowed

Im going to tell you...

Some bodys' got a headache

And I COMMAND headache begone by tomorrow

You forgot to speak in the name and authority of Jesus Christ. It's about Him, isn't it?

 

[zone]

1. Effect from living in a fallen world.
2. Satanic attack
3. result of sin, reaping a consequence

I will not parade names of those who have received beautiful acts of God for you to mock. It is THEIR testimony.

You do not need proof. You need to get into the word and believe God.

you said GOD DOES NOT WILL THAT WE EVER BE SICK.

above you list (an incomplete list) why people get sick.

does God not have control over the above list?

please answer the questions about whether you believe we inherited a sin nature and DEATH from Adam.

also, i will need to see your documentation that a guarantee (?) promise (?) of physical healing was part of what Jesus Accomplished on Calvary.

i need proof that you know what you are talking about.
chapter and verse please. complete. ALL YOUR EVIDENCE. please use your church's proof if you must.

i am in the Word and i do believe. that's why i know you are espousing false teachings. and after many warnings.

 

[Alabaster]

mainline and historic christianity has NEVER said that. orthodoxy has always held that the Acts of the Apostles were just that ( a special era: the BIRTH OF THE CHURCH), and not normative for today.

You've been taught error if you believe that!

 

[zone]

You've been taught error if you believe that!

please allow me to obey My Lord and test the spirits, search the scriptures to see if these things are so.

please list teachers/preachers you learn from and believe to be teaching truth.

since you will not answer my questions, i will look to their writings and sermons.

 

[Alabaster]

certain scar tissues arent healing in nature but rather attempts to heal.

Scars are evidence of healing--it is an overgrowth of tissue.

when a chiropractor adjust our backs that cracking noise is the scarr tissue being ripped apart as that vertabra moves.

That isn't correct.

When the chiropractor is cracking your neck, no bones are actually being cracked at all. Rather, the cracking sound is made when air is released from the cushioning material between your vertebrae as your spinal column is being twisted. This protective padding material keeps your vertebrae from rubbing together and actually cracking.
Cervical spinal manipulation, spinal manipulative therapy or spinal adjustments are some of the clinical terms used to refer to neck cracking as many lay people call it. When the chiropractor is cracking your neck, he or she is actually adjusting segments of your spine to relieve stress in your spinal column. The stress is relieved as the spine becomes realigned.

Source: What is the Chiropractor Doing When He is Cracking My Neck?

 

[zone]

It isn't a doctrine. It is what Jesus does.

It does here.

i know full well what JESUS DID WHEN HE WALKED THE EARTH.
i also know what Apsotles were given authority to do.

the Bible is DOCTRINE. THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES.

calling you on false doctrine makes me a hater here on this forum? please clarify if this is what you mean to say.

 

[Alabaster]

a big Amen.
please show where Jesus NEVER DID NOT HEAL.
also, why didn't He go to Lazarus and heal him from sickness rather than intentionally wait until the man was DEAD?

Jesus ALWAYS healed everyone who was WILLING.

Jesus had reason to wait until Lazarus died. He wanted to reveal the power of God in resurrection power, so that people would believe in Him as the very Son of God, that He loved them and that all glory would go to God.

 

[reba]

Why this has come to mind I don’t have a clue
A well know charismatic preacher , he traveled the circuit in the 70s, can not remember his name…
He was short and round, almost as round as a ‘smiley’ preaching to young people, I was almost young then, trying to get the no booze no smoking thoughts planted in the young hippies heads<O:p></O:p>
He was preaching and marching around the platform like they do…The buttons on his vest were about to pop..
His text;
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23:21</st1:time> For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags. <O:p

 

[zone]

Jesus ALWAYS healed everyone who was WILLING.

Jesus had reason to wait until Lazarus died. He wanted to reveal the power of God in resurrection power, so that people would believe in Him as the very Son of God, that He loved them and that all glory would go to God.

i asked for chapter and verse of EVERY HEALING JESUS DID. we will examine each, then other Scriptures as well.

i also asked for documentation that Healing is Promised in the Atonement.

 

[Alabaster]

apparently your 'church' doesn't believe in sickness, disease and death as a result of SIN, specifically the FALL.

Sure we do because that is the truth.

do you believe in ORIGINAL SIN?

What do you think that is?

I INSIST YOU DOCUMENT THIS CLAIM IN SCRIPTURE.

if you do not, i will report you to the administration as a deliberate and peristent false teacher.

He promises to heal us of all our diseases.

Report me. I will report you for badgering and verbal diarrhea without scriptural support! This is the GENERAL TALK forum.

I gave the scriptural reference to the truth that we can rely on God's to heal us of all our diseases.

 

[zone]

Report me. I will report you for badgering and verbal diarrhea. This is the GENERAL TALK forum.

I gave the scriptural reference to the truth that we can rely on God's to heal us of all our diseases.

go ahead alabaster:
badgering and verbal diarrhea

you have NO DEFENSE for false teaching, so you will report me for badgering. it won't change the fact that you are teaching heresy.

you mean this?
Isaiah 53:5
But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

you said:
He promises to heal us of all our diseases.

you are presuming to speak for GOD, you are saying what He has PROMISED.

if you can not bring forward Biblical references for this, you are now a false prophet, claiming to speak for God.

 

[Alabaster]

i asked for Scriptural documentation.
you are DISCUSSING THE WORK OF JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD ON THE CROSS AT CALVARY.

you had better have biblical evidence for your claim that PHYSICAL HEALING IS PART OF THE ATONEMENT...this is a very serious matter.

i insist on seeing BIBLICAL PROOF.

Calm down. Caps means you are shouting.

Isaiah 53:5 NLT
But he was pierced for our rebellion,
crushed for our sins.
He was beaten so we could be whole.
He was whipped so we could be healed.

1 Peter 2:24 NLT
He personally carried our sins
in his body on the cross
so that we can be dead to sin
and live for what is right.
By his wounds
you are healed.

Atonement! Now you declare that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, nailed to a cross at Calvary, and was whipped, beaten and bled for you did NOT take on your diseases. One can only deny it by sheer unbelief.

 

[Alabaster]

i am in the Word and i do believe. that's why i know you are espousing false teachings. and after many warnings.

No you are not, obviously.

 

[Alabaster]

please allow me to obey My Lord and test the spirits, search the scriptures to see if these things are so.

please list teachers/preachers you learn from and believe to be teaching truth.

since you will not answer my questions, i will look to their writings and sermons.

Good to see you willing to work.

 

[Alabaster]

i know full well what JESUS DID WHEN HE WALKED THE EARTH.
i also know what Apsotles were given authority to do.

the Bible is DOCTRINE. THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES.

calling you on false doctrine makes me a hater here on this forum? please clarify if this is what you mean to say.

You just make your own error stand out more. All I see coming from your end is viciousness and no scripture to back your own negative views. You get more flies with sugar than vinegar.

 

[Alabaster]

i asked for chapter and verse of EVERY HEALING JESUS DID. we will examine each, then other Scriptures as well.

For crying out loud. Go read your Bible for that.

 

[zone]

Calm down. Caps means you are shouting.

Isaiah 53:5 NLT
But he was pierced for our rebellion,
crushed for our sins.
He was beaten so we could be whole.
He was whipped so we could be healed.

1 Peter 2:24 NLT
He personally carried our sins
in his body on the cross
so that we can be dead to sin
and live for what is right.
By his wounds
you are healed.

Atonement! Now you declare that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, nailed to a cross at Calvary, and was whipped, beaten and bled for you did NOT take on your diseases. One can only deny it by sheer unbelief.

why do you people insist on endangering yourselves according to Rev 22?

how dare you make a mockery of what Jesus did on Calvary? how dare you make it about some stupid flu you might catch or failing eyesight or cancer?

it's about rescuing us from THE WRATH to come. reconciling us to an ANGRY GOD.

BY HIS WOUNDS (the punishment He bore for our SINS, the wrath of God He endured in our place healed us SPIRITUALLY, by Judicial decree of God: NOT GUILTY) we are JUSTIFIED.

i'm through talking to you...you recklessly handle the Word, you take that AMAZING ACT OF LOVE AND SACRIFICE on Calvary and make it about arthritis or something that YOU'LL LIKELY GET ANYWAY (because of the FALL), you provide NO scholarship whatsoever, and you are teaching others HERESY.

you are an unrepentent FALSE TEACHER.

 

[zone]

For crying out loud. Go read your Bible for that.

nah.
i know what the Bible says.
you only know what your false teachers say to tickle your ears.