Check Engine Light Codes

[Lewis]

The goal of Automobile manufacturers is to get to the point where all you can do is drive a car and make the payments,for everything else you will have to go on bended knees to a dealership,they want to do away with all the independent shops as well...it has nothing to do with making a better product and everything to do with making as much money as they can off of the car after it is sold,and before anyone mentions government regulation they have a hand in writing that as well through their lobbyist in Washingtonat the rate its going Cars will once again become something that only the rich can afford.

Stealerships are rough, but it is impossible to get rid of independent auto shops here in America.

 

[Mountain Man]

The goal of Automobile manufacturers is to get to the point where all you can do is drive a car and make the payments,for everything else you will have to go on bended knees to a dealership,they want to do away with all the independent shops as well...it has nothing to do with making a better product and everything to do with making as much money as they can off of the car after it is sold,and before anyone mentions government regulation they have a hand in writing that as well through their lobbyist in Washingtonat the rate its going Cars will once again become something that only the rich can afford.

Stealerships are rough, but it is impossible to get rid of independent auto shops here in America.

They could easily be legislated out of existence under the guise of "safety"and "security" they could be done away with by doing away with the aftermarket supply....this America where with enough money,power and corruption all things are possible.

 

[Lewis]

The goal of Automobile manufacturers is to get to the point where all you can do is drive a car and make the payments,for everything else you will have to go on bended knees to a dealership,they want to do away with all the independent shops as well...it has nothing to do with making a better product and everything to do with making as much money as they can off of the car after it is sold,and before anyone mentions government regulation they have a hand in writing that as well through their lobbyist in Washingtonat the rate its going Cars will once again become something that only the rich can afford.

Stealerships are rough, but it is impossible to get rid of independent auto shops here in America.

They could easily be legislated out of existence under the guise of "safety"and "security" they could be done away with by doing away with the aftermarket supply....this America where with enough money,power and corruption all things are possible.

That ain't going to happen. They can't put all those people out of work, that would hurt the economy. And the uproar from the people would be something to reckon with.

 

[Mountain Man]

I don't suppose you consider all the things we have now that those same words were said about...Americans have and will accept anything,this government does not care about the people or the economy.

 

[jasoncran]

uhm @Lewis, Mountain Man is right the government forced the car makers to allow YOU access to the codes under obd 2 just because your generic reader sees the code doesn't mean that code you fixed isn't on the the other side.

try replacing a battery for hybrid at home., you would have to buy a cherry picker first then hope you can get in the car's door or other such tool to get it out.

 

[Lewis]

Do you guy's really think that the government is going to shut down every shop in the land, that is not being realistic.

 

[Pizzaguy]

They would like to (they=auto manufacturers). But to do that, it would seem to be a violation of anti-trust laws.

My car is a limited production car, only 70,000 in the world - and even with it, I know of a company in the Carolinas that refurb electronic modules for it because Chrysler and Mercedes get $1800 for an engine module (PTCM)!
With money like that to be made, SOMEONE is going to get into it and come to the rescue! (They will repair/exchange the PTCM for, last I knew, $1000).

If you are driving a car that was produced in the 100,000's or millions - there is probalby just too big of a market for an auto manufacturer to stop others from providing parts and service.

 

[Lewis]

They would like to (they=auto manufacturers). But to do that, it would seem to be a violation of anti-trust laws.

My car is a limited production car, only 70,000 in the world - and even with it, I know of a company in the Carolinas that refurb electronic modules for it because Chrysler and Mercedes get $1800 for an engine module (PTCM)!
With money like that to be made, SOMEONE is going to get into it and come to the rescue! (They will repair/exchange the PTCM for, last I knew, $1000).

If you are driving a car that was produced in the 100,000's or millions - there is probalby just too big of a market for an auto manufacturer to stop others from providing parts and service.

I agree

 

[jasoncran]

Do you guy's really think that the government is going to shut down every shop in the land, that is not being realistic.

not shut down, simply not sell parts to them or be the only parts supplier. you all don't know. why is it that gm pushed the obd II act act and all the terms that gm used in their cars, is the standard to include reprogram their ecm's up to date? lets see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

btw I can buy ford parts cheaper at a place called cold air because I worked as a mechanic then I could with the local dealers.that may not last longer. either the dealers will stop selling(unlikely) or the makers will jack up the prices to the aftermarket. more likely.



ah yes I think this is what what mountain man means

The regulatory intent of OBD-I was to encourage auto manufacturers to design reliable emission control systems that remain effective for the vehicle's "useful life".<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[citation needed]</sup> The hope was that by forcing annual emissions testing for California<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[citation needed]</sup>, and denying registration to vehicles that did not pass, drivers would tend to purchase vehicles that would more reliably pass the test. OBD-I was largely unsuccessful<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[citation needed]</sup>, as the means of reporting emissions-specific diagnostic information was not standardized. Technical difficulties with obtaining standardized and reliable emissions information from all vehicles led to an inability to implement the annual testing program effectively.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[citation needed]</sup>

now then which one of us has a four and five gas analyser to be able to properly check our emissions for the state of California?in north Carolina and any state that has emissions the ole back yard mechanic aint gonna cut it.if the cat goes bad it will be replaced or fines paid. sure people slip buy but well get caught and see what happens
obdII btw does have the ability to tell you if the cat is bad, the gas cap is loose and also if the gas vent is leaking or clogged. that is all mandated by the government. gm drove all of this.

let's see this too

In the United States, many states now use OBD-II testing instead of tailpipe testing in OBD-II compliant vehicles (1996 and newer). Since OBD-II stores trouble codes for emissions equipment, the testing computer can query the vehicle's onboard computer and verify there are no emission related trouble codes and that the vehicle is in compliance with emission standards for the model year it was manufactured.
In the Netherlands, 2006 and later vehicles get a yearly EOBD emission check.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-21">[21]</sup>

that well would hurt the poor. and@ Pizzaguy since when does this potus and democrats really care about the free market? all the above doesn't really bother me as I don't mind emissions controls for the controlling of nox, but it can go south. we have a bunch of green wackos would love to force us into electric cars and also hybrids.

 

[jasoncran]

some would say that government would never come to spying on us and also taking guns from us,. yet we see that. look im not saying that they are but to see that the makers and the government cant isn't all that far away, rather wont. I do see it. we have a potus who would if he feels that it would make him money allow that to happen.

ie the fact that he canceled the oil pipeline and pickens owns a train and builds it right on the spot where the pipeline is going. hmm and what pray tell is that train for?oil? pickens and the democrats are in each others pockets.

Q [MENTION=31657]Potluck[/MENTION]

 

[Pizzaguy]

not shut down, simply not sell parts to them or be the only parts supplier.

I know that a friend started a business in 1975, he was dealing in two way radios and wanted to service Motorola radios. They refused to sell him OEM parts cause he was not a dealer. He had a friend who was a lawyer, who told him how to word his letter, he wrote a letter again, and got an account and was able to buy parts at the same price as a motorola dealer. How? Turns out there are anti-trust laws that cover this kind of thing.

Or, there was in the late 1970's.

and@ Pizzaguy since when does this potus and democrats really care about the free market?

Well, there IS that....

 

[jasoncran]

that is the point, when the government was reasonable and not so easily swayed then yes.

 

[Mountain Man]

Let's just have simple faith in corruption,then all things are possible.