JackrabbitSlim
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1st death spiritual, 2nd death physical. Thoughts?
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Christ Died Twice on the Cross?
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Can you elaborate more on this as Jesus was both Spiritual and physical as being the word of God come in the flesh.
JackrabbitSlim
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"For the wages of sin is death." Roms. 6:23
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
2 Cor. 5:21
"and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed."
1 Pet. 2:24
"But your wrongdoings have caused a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear."
Isa. 59:2
We see all throughout Scripture, Christ calls God His Father. On the Cross, He cries out,
"My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?"
Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34
This seems to point to Isa. 59:2. He went from feeling the personal presence of His Father, to no longer having that connection.
His last words on the Cross were,
"It is finished."
Jn. 19:30
This seems to point to the completion of 1 Pet. 2:24 and
2 Cor. 5:21. Jn. 19:30 also shows His physical death.
So, it seems He died, both spiritually and physically.
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
2 Cor. 5:21
"and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed."
1 Pet. 2:24
"But your wrongdoings have caused a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear."
Isa. 59:2
We see all throughout Scripture, Christ calls God His Father. On the Cross, He cries out,
"My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?"
Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34
This seems to point to Isa. 59:2. He went from feeling the personal presence of His Father, to no longer having that connection.
His last words on the Cross were,
"It is finished."
Jn. 19:30
This seems to point to the completion of 1 Pet. 2:24 and
2 Cor. 5:21. Jn. 19:30 also shows His physical death.
So, it seems He died, both spiritually and physically.
Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Both these verses above shows that God did not forsake Christ while He hung on the cross, but that it grieved him at His heart that the world became so sinful that He had to give His only begotten Son to be the final blood sacrifice that through Him and those who come to Him can have eternal life with the Father, John 3:16. This was God's divine plan in the beginning, even before the foundation of the world.
Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psalm 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
God never forsook Jesus as deity can not be separated. Comparing the above verses in Psalms and Matthew Jesus was declaring to His accusers as He hung on the cross that they were in the midst of fulfilling Psalms 22. The psalmist himself understood that the forsaking of God was not abandonment, but a lifting of His Sovereign protection according to His divine plan so the threats of His enemies could be carried out in prophecy. There were many times during Jesus ministry that the enemy wanted to kill Him, but they couldn't as His time had not yet come from above, John 7:30
2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 1:19 Jesus, a lamb without spot or blemish. God made Jesus to take upon all our sin and nail it to the cross. Jesus who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Both these verses above shows that God did not forsake Christ while He hung on the cross, but that it grieved him at His heart that the world became so sinful that He had to give His only begotten Son to be the final blood sacrifice that through Him and those who come to Him can have eternal life with the Father, John 3:16. This was God's divine plan in the beginning, even before the foundation of the world.
Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psalm 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
God never forsook Jesus as deity can not be separated. Comparing the above verses in Psalms and Matthew Jesus was declaring to His accusers as He hung on the cross that they were in the midst of fulfilling Psalms 22. The psalmist himself understood that the forsaking of God was not abandonment, but a lifting of His Sovereign protection according to His divine plan so the threats of His enemies could be carried out in prophecy. There were many times during Jesus ministry that the enemy wanted to kill Him, but they couldn't as His time had not yet come from above, John 7:30
2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 1:19 Jesus, a lamb without spot or blemish. God made Jesus to take upon all our sin and nail it to the cross. Jesus who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
JackrabbitSlim
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Thanks for your response. I appreciate you knowing Scripture. I disagree, to a point, but, nothing so much as to break fellowship. I have thoroughly enjoyed your input!