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Christian Music ?

Relic said:
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Here is a long but interesting article.

I suggest you read all of it before coming to any conclusions.

http://www.av1611.org/crock/crock1.html

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I checked out the above link, and would have to say that I disagree. If some people are turned off by Christian music, then they should not listen to it.

I've seen what God has done, and still is doing, through Christian music. My boys and I are part of a healing ministry, Celebrate Recovery, a Christian version of AA. Music is a vital part of the ministry.

Many people have been drawn to Christ and salvation through Jesus, and music has been just one of the tools that God uses to reach people .......

Satan has not created anything, but rather he uses God's creation the things that God's people use, for his glory, and to lead people astray.

I cannot convince you if you already have your mind made up, concerning Christian music. When I see the testimony of so many Christian musicians, and what God has done in their lives, and how God has used their music to reach others for Jesus, I have no doubt that God is please with Christian music.
 
The drum beat of the demon is NOT the drumbeat of the Godly.
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Guess we should drop the piano's and classical music styles because they've certainly been influenced by sexually immoral composers in years past. We should probably keep silent too for fear that pride will creep in after hearinag the sound of our own voices. Didn't God wanted us all to be the same?! Lets just ban music and any form of worship just to be on the safe side. I'm sure you could find a website wacked enough to support that too. Unless of course its the musical genre you like, because those are certainly Holy.
 
Music does have an affect on how we act. But I think it's more important about teh content of the song, then how the songs sounds.
 
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Well Im not all for the Rap scene but the same could go for the music i like, Metal people could say that there is nothing "Christian" about it but most of that bands that I listen to are in fact Christian Metal groups. So in my opinon I would tell you to listen to it and if need be you can use Rap as a witnessing tool. Talk to people who would usually listen to Rap (nonchristian) and bring it back to christian Rap and show them the lyrics to it and how it points to God and His grace and love for us.
 
1611 Bad Website!!

Relic said:
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Here is a long but interesting article.

I suggest you read all of it before coming to any conclusions.

http://www.av1611.org/crock/crock1.html

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That av1611 is a very bad website! Your eyeballs might pop out, and your brains leak out. Oh, and you might even go to hell if you ...... LOL

I stay away from ridiculous webpages like that! It's nonsense, and a good example of poor scholarship.
 
I Want To Be A Clone!

Scott said:
The drum beat of the demon is NOT the drumbeat of the Godly.
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Guess we should drop the piano's and classical music styles because they've certainly been influenced by sexually immoral composers in years past. We should probably keep silent too for fear that pride will creep in after hearinag the sound of our own voices. Didn't God wanted us all to be the same?! Lets just ban music and any form of worship just to be on the safe side. I'm sure you could find a website wacked enough to support that too. Unless of course its the musical genre you like, because those are certainly Holy.
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I want to be a clone .... remember Steve Taylor anyone?
 
Metal Christian Music, Yeah!!!

finch said:
Well Im not all for the Rap scene but the same could go for the music i like, Metal people could say that there is nothing "Christian" about it but most of that bands that I listen to are in fact Christian Metal groups. So in my opinon I would tell you to listen to it and if need be you can use Rap as a witnessing tool. Talk to people who would usually listen to Rap (nonchristian) and bring it back to christian Rap and show them the lyrics to it and how it points to God and His grace and love for us.
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Hey finch, another Christian Metal fan? Do you listen to ChristianRock.Net, or TriRockRadio? Awesome Internet radio stations!! Check it out .....
 
Maybe you should try to educate your parents on the origins of hip hop. When it first began it was NOTHING like it is today. As a matter of fact, i wouldnt even call what they play today on the radio hip hop. Its garbage. When it first started, hip hop was actually very positive..

I don't understand why some people would disagree with Christian rap.. but then again there are those people that would even say anything other than hymns written back in 1909 arent biblically sound. But one would think your parents would atleast commend you for choosing a form of praise music instead of completely defying them and choosing to listen to 50 cent. When I was younger and lived at home, any cd I wanted to buy my parents would make me sit down with them and go through the lyrics together. If they were acceptable then I could have it. Maybe you could try that with them. Its time consuming, but maybe they don't understand that you aren't trying to listen to the Ludacris Gospel interlude, but rather other young Christians like yourself just trying to express their love for God with the beautiful talents he gave them.


The Cross Movement is good, but my favorite artist is Pigeon John. He's flipping wonderful.. I often have KJ-52 in rotation too.

You can't take the screech of skidding tire and make it sound as if it is a praise to the Lord.
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lol i've heard some pretty tone deaf people singing their hearts out in adoration of their savior. Does that make it any less meaningful to him? It may sound like crap to you, but i bet the Lord loves every minute of it. Worship is worship, period.

I say period too much. I guess the . doesn't put enough emphasis on it.
 
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What Provokes The "Response" Mechanism In Humans.

It's an elementary Principle!

Pay attention to the 5 senses you are born with.



Music does have an effect on the response mechanism of humans.

Ears: Any noise, yes, even music can provoke a certain type of feelings/emotions/moods/attitude even if it is void of any lyrics/words.
Mouth: Feelings/emotions/moods/attitude are not totally controlled by words alone, but yes, we all know that there is no doubt that what is said can have an effect on how we react, or not.
Touch: What touches your body, Anything that touches your body! Even the slightest breeze, the slightest scratch, the slightest brush against something, even the difference between extreme or slight Hot and cold have an effect on the "feelings/emotions".
Smell: What you smell can have an effect on the way you respond in the moment and how you react in the future to that same smell. It is all determined by your past experience with a certain smell.
Eyes: What we see with our eyes can provoke a response out of us. Yes, even the differences between light and dark and various shades of color can have an effect on how we respond in terms of our Feelings/emotions/moods/attitude.

Yes, what happened in the past determines your future response... be it conscious or unconscious. Don't take anything for granted.
For those of you who don't already know, do a study results of research from various experiments conducted in the field of Psychology, you will be amazed.


If a person is not tuned into their consciousness, from a biblical perspective, they are then easy subjects for manipulation.

The bible teaches us to watch out for wolves in sheeps clothing, and wolves have ways to blind the eyes, distort the hearing, and confuse and distract the mind through the 5 senses you were born with.

Wake up to your senses and you will "see" with more than your eyes, hear with more than your ears, and you will feel with more than your flesh. Biblical discernment is a lesson well learned.

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If Christian rap, gives glory to God, there is nothing wrong with it at all. Christian rap is getting through to a lot of young people, who otherwise would not hear the gospel. At my church they have a Christian hip hop youth thing for the young people. And it is very successful, and these are Holy Ghost filled teenagers, who love the Lord and they spread the Word of Jesus, with fire.
I get sick and tired of people puting down Christian rap. Now secular rap I do not like unless it is positive, like it was when it first started. God did not create everyone the same, some like rap, some like Christian metal and ect.
So some of these people I feel need to just shut up. And worry about what they are doing to spread the gospel. If Christian rap is getting through to young people, and bringing them to Christ. Shut your face. With your holier than thou attitudes. Because God can use what he wants, to bring himself glory.
And another thing could no type of music enter into the minds of man, unless it was in the mind of God first. Now man can take the music and pervert it. but when it was in the mind of God that was not it's intension. People have different taste, and others need to respect that. I am just being honest, on how I feel about this thing.
 
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No one is putting down Christian Rap which is not based on cocky attitude or loud obnoxious or destructive sound.

What is being put down is the improper use of sound.


Todays marketing strategies are more than meets the eye! There is far more Psychology being used in attracting people to the product and in creating music and lyrics than the average person is aware.

It is all too often that sound is used as a means of manipulation, and it can be and is used as a tool for controlling how people respond. Why do you think so many Americans are so fat these days? Because they are heavily influenced by suggestion and emotional based marketing, the marketing media to go out and buy this and that and consume this and that. Marketing music is not much different. Many studies have been done on how behavior can be manipulated or provoked into a desired reaction. Hence, commercialism is a form of subliminal control. "Sound" any kind of sound, be it music or not, can be used to calm the senses or it can be used to arouse the senses, it can be used to provoke hostility or it can be used to provoke passiveness. Pay attention to what is being fed to you and how your mind and body are given over to the reaction of it.

If people refuse to listen to the warning signs of how the human body's response mechanism operates and how certain "input" can provoke unhealthy results then they are going to pay the price (suffer the consequences) . The Psychology behind commercialism is not to be taken lightly. :-?
Anyone who thinks big business isn't involved in knowing the psychology involved with forms of manipulation is mistaken. Christian based music is not exempt from the mega-million-dollar corporations who use such tactics for continueing their profit. they know what manipulation is all about and they know how to do it well. So well that the average person never notices what is happening.

Informing people of the effects of sound on them is no different than informing someone of this fact: If they play music too loudly they will eventually ruin their hearing and risk the chance of severe hearing loss. Many a people have damaged their hearing because they refused to listen to the warning signs and take precautionary measures. That being said, it is just another example of what "sound" used in the wrong manner can and will do to human body.... Let alone, what lyrics can subliminally do to ones thinking and attitude. :-?

If a person continues to shrug off the facts, they will pay the price (consequences) of ignoring the warning signs. Ignorance is the enemy. People perish for lack of knowledge and I might add.... for lack of listening to the warning signs. Being informed is not such a bad thing.


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And really I was not talking to people on this board, but simply saying how I feel. Or should have said I was not, directing it to anybody on this board.
But talking out my thoughts.
 
Funny that I should see this topic, it's been something that God has brought to my attention lately.

I have five guy friends who are not allowed to listen to rap. They're all growing up in wonderful Christian homes, and I know that their parents are only aiming for what is best in God's eyes for them. However, I personally love Christian rap, so I've been trying to understand more where they're coming from.
I think music can definitely influence our behaviour, especially if we don't watch ourselves and put the sound above the lyrics. Obviously, these boys' parents know them much better than I do. I'm sure they know the conditions of their boys' hearts and what could tempt them and cause a longing for non-Christian music, or cause ungodly attitudes. Especially in today's world, the contemporary rap culture is NOT very promotive of a Christian lifestyle or encouraging for a young Christian guy trying to fight against temptation. For me, listening to KJ-52, Grits, Cross Movement, Toby Mac, etc. does not give me a desire for Eminem, 50 Cent, etc. because I'm looking for something deeper than just sound - I'm looking for something that builds me up in the Lord, something that mixes a cool beat with the "coolest" Story ever told. :) So it's about being filled and built up for me. But I also want to be sure to watch myself as well, to make sure that I don't allow the SOUND of the music to become an idol to me over the lyrics, which point to God. Utlimately, I think everyone's different, and it's a personal decision as to whether or not you would be lifted or brought down by rap/rock.
It's the attitude of the heart that truly matters.
 
itoldyounoalready said:
My parents don't believe in listening to Christian rap.They don't see anything Christian about it.They just judge it before they hear it , sometimes if you listen to the lyrics it's not the same as secular lyrics definitely not.I'm not even allowed to play it in the house, along with some Christian rock and roll,Ithink my parents have gone to far.
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Dang.. That sucks, I feel yah on that. I don't know how I would live without being able to listen to my metal and 'obnoxious' rap.

Check out this site: http://radiou.com/ This is a christian rock (and rap, and metal, and techno) website - they have a radio station where I live and I am OBSESSED!

But about rap - Don't be too hard on your parents (though they're wrong :P). They were probably raised with a stereotype of rappers - hey most of them were. Hip-hop (secular) is dark, because it's 'kids' from the hood basically doing whatever it takes to get out of the hood. (I just went to a workshop on hip-hop :D)

A lot of my friends aren't allowed, not because it's 'evil' but because their parents are annoyed by it, lol.

SooOooOooo.... As you may have guessed - I believe that it isn't possible for music to be 'evil' unless the lyrics are bad. Look at Eminem... His lyrics are terrible! But that doesn't mean all rap is.

Man, I really ramble on and on don't I?....
Oh, no offence relic, but you're crazy... ;-) Just playin.
 
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