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Christian Taliban? Godhatesfags.com

the problem is, they (like most christians) read only select parts, and beleive only select parts, and give select parts more credit than others.

A majority of christians, Have a semi-diverse read, and balance most things out, so they arent "Hateful"

some go to the step of taking only the peacful pacifist super loving way, and they are the steryotypical pale white suburbanites that live in poverty, hekping others less fortunate, doing nothing for themselves, but everything for everyoen else they can, with no blame or hate (manily as in relieving the poor and hungry)

some go to the step as phelps does, and HEAVILY abuses anyone that idolizes anything, and or has anyhtign besides the msot hate you could for homosexuality, while ignroing any of gods words that speak of love, and words that say that HE IS NOT A PROPHET AS HE CLAIMS!
 
peaceforall,

Good post.

I think if you were a Christian you would fall into the first category.... :wink:
 
Well peace4all I am not one of them, I sugar coat nothing when it comes to the Bible, I tell it like it is. Just like when I was talking about that death penalty topic, I think some people should die for their crimes. Many Christians will disagree with me, but the Bible says so, even in the New Testament, I am just using this as a example. Many Christians will sugar coat stuff in the Bible, but I am not one of them. Because if the Bible says it, the Bible means it. So why water it down. When really you can't because it is the Word of God, and you cannot change His Word, period. I don't agree with the Catholic doctrine, but for the sake of this board, I am just choosing not to bash them. But my thinking has not changed. But if a question comes to me, for me, I am going to tell you , if I feel like it. But for the sake of the board and leading by example, I must use restraint, even if I don't want to.
 
However, in your daily preachings, you seem to hold thigns against certain people more than others.
I don't know you in person, However, I am guessing that if you had the choice of your child being taught by someone fat (a glutton, not someoen with a glandular disorder) a homosexual, or a gambler, you would pick the fat person, then the gambler, before you EVER went near the homosexual.

Lewis, do you believe that your exact interpretation of the bible is the ONLY correct interpretation, and everyone else is wrong?

You cited that you believe in capital punishemnt, and yes, the bible sure does agree with you there. However, it also states "thou shalt not kill" and "love thy neighbor", jesus taught to turn the other cheek, and the bible says leave the judgment up to god (you can't do that if you kill them yourself) so do you weigh more on the parts of the bible that say capital punishment is ok, and ignore the parts that would seem to say it isnt?
 
Capital punishment Romans 13:1-5 and Romans 1:32. Romans 1:32 tells you right to your face that certain things warrant death. Well I have gays in my family male and female, and I love them, and one of them Butter I go over his house sometimes, I love my cousins. I have gay friends that are not related to me. But I don't have to aprove of their life style. I don't hate them. But when it comes to teaching my child, I rather have a straight person be his teacher. And I should have a right to make that choice.

Lewis, do you believe that your exact interpretation of the bible is the ONLY correct interpretation, and everyone else is wrong?
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When the Bible is clear on something, there is no other way to interpret it. But by just what it says. I find that people who have not the Holy Ghost, have a very poor understanding of the Bible.
 
so, in romans 13 1-5 you interpret "he does not bear the sword for nothing" as being capital punishment?
a little far fetched for me, but, i guess i could see it.

this exclaims that leaders are put in power by god, and that you must abide, or be judged by god (certainly being judged does not mean death)

SO was Saddam put in power by God? Hitler? Bush? Mussolini?
Who decides which authorities are the ones god established? It says that all that exist were established by god, so, Which one is it?
evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
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so, we need to put to death anyone with an Idol (anyone who partakes in the "Big brother or Big Sister" programs, anyone that has shotty buisness practices so they can become rich (bush, chenney, Exxon-mobil, Bill Gates, basically anyone that raps). All murders, Osama, mousoi, saddam, any US Soldier, or, any other soldier for that matter. Bush, because he lied to american and was deceitful. Bill oreily for being a gossiper and slanderous. Me for not being a God-lover. Rezn for being arrogant (occasionalyl ut not often) Gary Bee for being Bostaful about what he knows about Islam. Any kid on Ritalin basicaly. Anyone lacking common sense, Me again for not having faith in God. Anyone that tortures prisoners, denies them food, etc (so basicaly anyone involved in Gitmo or the other concentration camps we have set up for Terrorists) But... Homosexuals? They dont seem to be in there with everony else.
Right?
 
so, we need to put to death anyone with an Idol (anyone who partakes in the "Big brother or Big Sister" programs, anyone that has shotty buisness practices so they can become rich (bush, chenney, Exxon-mobil, Bill Gates, basically anyone that raps). All murders, Osama, mousoi, saddam, any US Soldier, or, any other soldier for that matter. Bush, because he lied to american and was deceitful. Bill oreily for being a gossiper and slanderous. Me for not being a God-lover. Rezn for being arrogant (occasionalyl ut not often) Gary Bee for being Bostaful about what he knows about Islam. Any kid on Ritalin basicaly. Anyone lacking common sense, Me again for not having faith in God. Anyone that tortures prisoners, denies them food, etc (so basicaly anyone involved in Gitmo or the other concentration camps we have set up for Terrorists) But... Homosexuals? They dont seem to be in there with everony else.
Right?
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Well there you go twisting things, I see why most of the old timers here on this board don't like to debate with a lot of you. Except every once and a great moon. I myself need to take this approach also. Because all some of you do is take and twist Scripture. And people like you just like to take and pick every little Biblical thing apart. So go ahead and say what you want.
 
Lewis. You seem to take 1 or 2 parts of scripture, and apply them. Yet, you leave greed, idolization, boastfulness and all the other sins out, because they don't fit your agenda.

You said that there is only one way to read the bible. Why do you overlook these things?

Instead of arguing about it, Why dont you explain what the bible means by the things I listed. What is your interpretation of Greed, Boastfullness, deceit, etc. Give me some examples, so I can't "twist" these words.
 
peace4all said:
Lewis. You seem to take 1 or 2 parts of scripture, and apply them. Yet, you leave greed, idolization, boastfulness and all the other sins out, because they don't fit your agenda.

You said that there is only one way to read the bible. Why do you overlook these things?

Instead of arguing about it, Why dont you explain what the bible means by the things I listed. What is your interpretation of Greed, Boastfullness, deceit, etc. Give me some examples, so I can't "twist" these words.
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peace4all, you already know what those words mean, why do you need me to explain them. And you already know that the Bible is against those things, so what is there to explain. Look let me tell you something, if the Bible says it, I say it. Even though sometimes my flesh tells me different.
 
then why have you not called for a resignation or anything for Bush, after he decieved the american people? (if im mistaken and your not a bush fan, I am DEFINATELY sorry, sometiems i confuse the diffrent people i argue with on these boards)...

You said I know what the words mean, then how do i twist them?



you know, I am pretty sure that both of us have wandered pretty far off topic, and i think thats mainly my fault, so, I think I should refrain from asking questions that bring it farther from the conversation.
 
Yes I am one of the growing number of people of color who are Rebublican, and I have been Republican for a long time, so yes I am a Bush fan. I don't always agree with him but he is my president. And I respect him.
 
so, we need to put to death anyone with an Idol (anyone who partakes in the "Big brother or Big Sister" programs, anyone that has shotty buisness practices so they can become rich (bush, chenney, Exxon-mobil, Bill Gates, basically anyone that raps). All murders, Osama, mousoi, saddam, any US Soldier, or, any other soldier for that matter. Bush, because he lied to american and was deceitful. Bill oreily for being a gossiper and slanderous. Me for not being a God-lover. Rezn for being arrogant (occasionalyl ut not often) Gary Bee for being Bostaful about what he knows about Islam. Any kid on Ritalin basicaly. Anyone lacking common sense, Me again for not having faith in God. Anyone that tortures prisoners, denies them food, etc (so basicaly anyone involved in Gitmo or the other concentration camps we have set up for Terrorists) But... Homosexuals? They dont seem to be in there with everony else.
Right?
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lolololol...... Nicely put
 
Yes, I agree, Soma ...peace4all made some good points. How come the so-called atheists seem to have more savvy than many of the Christians? ;-)

Soma-Sight said:
2. As was the case in the OT story of Sodom..... when homosexuality abounds.... God's wrath is just around the corner.
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Incidentally, since the above item alluding to homosexuality and Sodom & Gomorrah was raised on the previous page by Soma-Sight I really DO need to ask a question that's been bugging me now for ...well ...a long time. I really WOULD love an answer.

Were there no women or children residing in the twin cities of Sodom & Gomorrah other than Lot's wife and daughters? If so, were the women and children also homosexuals? Otherwise, were the women and children so extraordinarily sinful that the only remedy available was for their destruction by God?

Why do Christians always point to homosexuality as having been the downfall of S&G when this was clearly not true? Questions, questions. Just what ARE we to do with the Bible?
 
destiny said:
Just what ARE we to do with the Bible?
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Why not ask peaceforall, i'm sure you would be in complete agreement. :wink:
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But you know what, destiny? . . .peace4all is no less a treasure of God than are you. The facts are - the Bible CANNOT be followed NOR believed 'to the letter' and these are the points that peace4all and others observe all the time. They see Christians attacking one particular 'sin' on a regular basis while turning a blind eye to others. They, in effect, see much hypocrisy within Christianity.

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question about Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
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[quote:5f174]They, in effect, see much hypocrisy within Christianity.
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Like exploiting homosexuality for the sake of 'reaction'. :-?
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or racism, greed, and murder. I exploit most of those things here i guess in the same sense:-P

I think the bible is a great piece of reading material. Like any Fable or Greek epic story, But nothing more. Burn it? No. Deface it? No. Remove it from being forced upon people, and being cited as fact? Yes.

Thats one of my biggest points. and Not many on this board see it.
There is selective sin bashing, and selective hate. Yes, once in a while i see people address other issues (however, most of the time, they refuse to address issues against their own political party. They wil raise greed and corruption vs Dems, but not vs Republicans)

Yes, I am guilty of the same thing for the most part to.
 
peac4all,

Perhaps I don't follow your threads so I hope I'm not out of line here, but "Force" the bible on you? Nobody can force the bible on you and you always have the right to turn around and walk the other way if your confronted on a street corner by a bible thumper.

What I see is society taking our religious freedoms away. Heck, we can't pray in school, you can't have Christian social clubs in colleges that don't allow non Christians and they (ACLU) is even trying to have a war memorial removed from San Diago because it's a cross on a top of a hill that honors our Vets. BTW, it all started because of ONE person... It's just stupid peace4all.

But as far as exploiting... perhaps dramatizing might be a better word? If I choose to believe the Bible as fact, what right do you have to force your view upon me and do I not have the right to defend myself?
 
Hey hey Jeff! good to see you around brother, hope all is well with you and yours.



That was off topic, but how many times does one need to respect topics having to do with sensationalizing/exploiting homosexuality? :o
 
See, Legally, students are allowed to pray in school. I am fine with that, and most atheists are too (as muslims and other groups are also permitted)
What isnt permitted is prayer that is considered prosoletyzing (getting up in the cafeteria and having everyone pray together) etc. Thats why some schools overstep their bounds, and try to remove all prayer, because they are scared that will happen. I do disagree with that.

I dont care about street preachers, they don't bother me. However, teaching Creationism as fact, in public schools, is forcing the bible on people. I guess thats really my only example of Forced biblization (besides the schools that, when they have a chorus, force you to sing religious themed songs (i didnt mind in elementary school when we sang christian, hindu and jewish songs all together, but i did mind the year where all we sang were christian songs (and not jingle bells or rudolph the red nosed reindeer)

If non christian clubs and social organizations arent allowed, then pro christian ones should also not be allowed (im not sure if i am just misreading what you wrote, or if you included a "don't" by mistake)

There is a problem with teachign creationism in schools. How do you grade people on religous beliefs? you can't. if you had a Creationist class, you would have to have a YEC class, a OEC class, a FSM class, not to mention any other religion with a creationist story.
Going to a public school is not going for religous purposes, you go to learn math, science, english, languages, chemistry, history, things like that. Not beliefs (besides the history behind them.)

I think that tax payer funded programs should all be secular, Including statues and monuments (no, im nto sayign tear down a 200 year old statue, because it has a cross somewhere in it) but don't erect new ones, and ones in the last 20 years should be altered or removed. (unless they also give a large variety of other religous symbols)

Honestly stovebolts, How would you feel if crosses were no where in public, instead replaced by
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you were taught in school the muslim beliefs on creation, some states have laws prohibiting you from running for office, and people just plain out don't like you, because of your religion.

Wait, that sounds like A mainyl islamic nation.

We are botht eh same, with 1 change. The religion. The christians in those countries, feel like the atheists in ours, however, our country has rules and laws that say we are all supposed to be equal regardless of that. IT isn't fair is it?
 
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