Christianity in public schools

[jasonc]

Or perhaps we got too greedy, "needing" to feed our desire for more. Bigger homes even though our families have been getting smaller. Since 1970 the average home has nearly doubled in size while the average family has shrunk by about 25%. Newer toys (i.e., ATV, Snowmobile, boat, camper, etc.) and not just something to get by but it has to be top of the line and new. We demand a much higher standard of living today than we did in 1970. Our automobiles are no longer good enough to just get us from point A to point B. Now they must have the latest in technological gadgetry which were either not yet available or were special order only back in 1970 (i.e., power windows, A/C, power locks, power seats, premium stereo systems in lieu of AM/FM radio, power mirrors, back up cameras, etc.).

Many of those Ole spanish homes I post were for the wealthy.some have less Sq footage then my home

 

[Milk-Drops]

But wouldn't you say that, that was a good thing ? Back then you had to to do book reports on the Bible and memorize, was that not a good thing.

I don't think so. My main reason is that a school is not necessarily equipped to handle religion. It shouldn't be either. Mainly because a school's main focus is for education, or at least it used to be. Its about preparing the younger generations to function in society. At a young age, a child doesn't really understand the point of rituals such as prayer or even ethics. Children can grasp aspects of ethics and religion, but its dangerous because since their faculties aren't developed enough to comprehend it, it can lead to dogmatism or propaganda. The issue at hand is not to tell children that religion is wrong, but to avoid a possible cult like following. Children are very naive and eager to appease authority. Children can also be cruel because they are very instinctual and can resort to using what little they do understand or can shape for themselves into weapons for bullying. Its a very fine line to tread. Also, this only look promising if its your religion that is getting the promotion.

I still say this is a Christian nation just like the Supreme Court declared in 1892, this country was founded on Christian principles even though we have fallen short and the founding fathers did not get it right on many things, like slavery for instance. But teaching the Bible in the school system then was the right thing to do.

I think this is a good time to point out that the Bible both endorses slavery and Jesus is shown to tell slaves to obey their earthly masters, and that Christian sects fought with each other more closely more than they have with other religions. Especially during the early days you referenced. For example, that 1892 date you mentioned was also very close to the great revival period in the US where it was a political and social campaign to bring religion more into the lives of everyday Americans after the Civil War.

 

[Lewis]

I don't think so. My main reason is that a school is not necessarily equipped to handle religion. It shouldn't be either. Mainly because a school's main focus is for education, or at least it used to be. Its about preparing the younger generations to function in society. At a young age, a child doesn't really understand the point of rituals such as prayer or even ethics. Children can grasp aspects of ethics and religion, but its dangerous because since their faculties aren't developed enough to comprehend it, it can lead to dogmatism or propaganda. The issue at hand is not to tell children that religion is wrong, but to avoid a possible cult like following. Children are very naive and eager to appease authority. Children can also be cruel because they are very instinctual and can resort to using what little they do understand or can shape for themselves into weapons for bullying. Its a very fine line to tread. Also, this only look promising if its your religion that is getting the promotion.


I think this is a good time to point out that the Bible both endorses slavery and Jesus is shown to tell slaves to obey their earthly masters, and that Christian sects fought with each other more closely more than they have with other religions. Especially during the early days you referenced. For example, that 1892 date you mentioned was also very close to the great revival period in the US where it was a political and social campaign to bring religion more into the lives of everyday Americans after the Civil War.

So Milk is slavery still okay, is it okay for blacks to be enslaved again ?
I already know what the Bible says.

 

[Milk-Drops]

So Milk is slavery still okay, is it okay for blacks to be enslaved again ?
I already know what the Bible says.

No

 

[Michael74]

Abodes are capacious partly because of the bank's education inflation. Myriad cities are desperately zoning only McMansion construction in an attempt to keep pace with inflation in education. Cities are also forcing many builders to construct school building and such near the development, further driving prices to the moon. In days of yore, before education inflation, cities used to construct such things.

One result of the bank's education inflation is that many youngsters are priced out of the market. Another result is that schools now use up so much of city revenue that other services are being trimmed back.

 

[times]

They teach to pledge your allegiance to a flag already so whats the difference if they teach religion ?

 

[reba]

i think it depends on which state or maybe even which school district ..

Best for Christians to not send their kids to public schools.

 

[Kidron]

Or perhaps we got too greedy, "needing" to feed our desire for more. Bigger homes even though our families have been getting smaller. Since 1970 the average home has nearly doubled in size while the average family has shrunk by about 25%. Newer toys (i.e., ATV, Snowmobile, boat, camper, etc.) and not just something to get by but it has to be top of the line and new. We demand a much higher standard of living today than we did in 1970. Our automobiles are no longer good enough to just get us from point A to point B. Now they must have the latest in technological gadgetry which were either not yet available or were special order only back in 1970 (i.e., power windows, A/C, power locks, power seats, premium stereo systems in lieu of AM/FM radio, power mirrors, back up cameras, etc.).

Lust is what fuels capitalism.
Lust for more, more, more.
This can be harnessed quite a bit if people stop watching TV, as its the TV that sits there in your room selling you stuff, convincing you that you "need this".

 

[Mike]

Our kids went to a Christian school through 8th grade, and then they went to public school for high school. Prior to them spending time in public school, we were filled with fear and concern about it from others who only knew private schools. Their opinion was uninformed, and so was ours. In the public arena, you'll have some good kids that are influenced by bad. You'll also have kids who have gone off track be influenced by good kids. It goes both ways. For the most part, kids gravitate to like-minded kids with similar values. For such a time as this, they may be right where the Lord wants them - in the battle field influencing others one relationship at a time.

We shouldn't let nonbelievers train our children? In matters of Faith, I'd agree. For those that feel this way about school, would you say that about your workplace? If you find that the person you report to is a nonbeliever, do you quit and keep looking for a Christian company & manager? The school's job is to prepare them to be productive citizens. It would be ideal if every school included Christ, but it is what it is. Instill His Truth at home, and let them take that Truth into their world which happens to be school. It's a great model they can use for the rest of their lives where their careers will likely be in the public sector.

Kids can organize faith-based groups on school campus outside and during school hours. It just can't be led or organized by the staff. Same thing happens in classrooms where some public school teachers are Christian. They can let these discussions happen, even participate in them. They just can't initiate them.

 

[reba]

We shouldn't let nonbelievers train our children? In matters of Faith, I'd agree. For those that feel this way about school, would you say that about your workplace?

there is a huge difference between a grownups work place and sending kids to school..

 

[WIP]

Our kids went to a Christian school through 8th grade, and then they went to public school for high school. Prior to them spending time in public school, we were filled with fear and concern about it from others who only knew private schools. Their opinion was uninformed, and so was ours. In the public arena, you'll have some good kids that are influenced by bad. You'll also have kids who have gone off track be influenced by good kids. It goes both ways. For the most part, kids gravitate to like-minded kids with similar values. For such a time as this, they may be right where the Lord wants them - in the battle field influencing others one relationship at a time.

We shouldn't let nonbelievers train our children? In matters of Faith, I'd agree. For those that feel this way about school, would you say that about your workplace? If you find that the person you report to is a nonbeliever, do you quit and keep looking for a Christian company & manager? The school's job is to prepare them to be productive citizens. It would be ideal if every school included Christ, but it is what it is. Instill His Truth at home, and let them take that Truth into their world which happens to be school. It's a great model they can use for the rest of their lives where their careers will likely be in the public sector.

Kids can organize faith-based groups on school campus outside and during school hours. It just can't be led or organized by the staff. Same thing happens in classrooms where some public school teachers are Christian. They can let these discussions happen, even participate in them. They just can't initiate them.

We are to be in the world but not of the world. John 17:6-19, particularly verse 15.

 

[jasonc]

there is a huge difference between a grownups work place and sending kids to school..

If it wasNT for the hedonistic army culture .I would never lost my virginity or dated a man.peer pressure doesn't cease at 18.

 

[evenifigoalone]

My opinion: if the nation claims to be for religious freedom, Christianity should not be taught in public/state-funded schools as that assumes that all the children attending are Christian. Think of it this way: if this were, say, a nation where Buddhism were the most popular religion, would you want it taught in public schools? What if people were pushing for that?
While I'm all for being taught religiously in childhood, having the government have public schools do this would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Do so at home, or if possible send your kid to a private religious school or look into homeschooling. (Never attended public school in my life, and lived in a lower class household. It can be done.)

They teach to pledge your allegiance to a flag already so whats the difference if they teach religion ?

And that is so unnecessary, too. Like, what purpose does it serve? Pledging allegiance to a nation before you're old enough to understand whether you even want to or not. I'm as pro-America as anybody, but that just serves no real purpose.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Kids can organize faith-based groups on school campus outside and during school hours. It just can't be led or organized by the staff. Same thing happens in classrooms where some public school teachers are Christian. They can let these discussions happen, even participate in them. They just can't initiate them.

My church is trying to get a Good News club started in some of the public schools here.
There is also FCA.

 

[reba]

 

[jasonc]

My opinion: if the nation claims to be for religious freedom, Christianity should not be taught in public/state-funded schools as that assumes that all the children attending are Christian. Think of it this way: if this were, say, a nation where Buddhism were the most popular religion, would you want it taught in public schools? What if people were pushing for that?
While I'm all for being taught religiously in childhood, having the government have public schools do this would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Do so at home, or if possible send your kid to a private religious school or look into homeschooling. (Never attended public school in my life, and lived in a lower class household. It can be done.)


And that is so unnecessary, too. Like, what purpose does it serve? Pledging allegiance to a nation before you're old enough to understand whether you even want to or not. I'm as pro-America as anybody, but that just serves no real purpose.

Why have babies in Christian nursery?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Fox News explains the dangers of Christianity in public schools

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dale-...-dan_b_8139546.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

In the first paragraph the writer exposed his lack of knowledge of the matter. Separation of Church is implied in the Constitution but not in any enforceable way. Then there are the eighteen words, extracted from the Jefferson Letter to the Philadelphia Baptists that are used without any contextually implied usage. Jefferson was assuring them there could never be a government mandated religion as was the case in England.

 

[Obadiah]

Why have babies in Christian nursery?

It makes the parents feel good?

 

[jasonc]

It makes the parents feel good?

No,why do we teach kids since then in our churches the bible when they aren't able to understand sin fully?