Christianity & Other Religions

[Solo]

What a bunch of total nonsense. :roll:

 

[Lonelyguide]

Thank you for that input, Soma

What a bunch of total nonsense. :roll:

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

:-D :-D :-D

This was simply too good to let it pass :-D :-D :-D

 

[Solo]

Thank you for that input, Soma

What a bunch of total nonsense. :roll:

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

:-D :-D :-D

This was simply too good to let it pass :-D :-D :-D

I'm surprised that you actually knew a Bible verse. It is so seldom that I see God's Word in your posts. Keep practicing and you will get the proper one that fits the occasion one of these times. :wink:

 

[Lonelyguide]

Yes, I understand that for you it must be hard to detect the Word of God in my posts or in those of e.g. Soma. That, however, is because sin and condemnation are one and the same and because in your case they more often than not appear to go hand in hand like pain and suffering. Much as this may be difficult, try to be less condemning and you may find that your perception will gradually improve

 

[Solo]

Yes, I understand that for you it must be hard to detect the Word of God in my posts or in those of e.g. Soma. That, however, is because sin and condemnation are one and the same and because in your case they more often than not appear to go hand in hand like pain and suffering. Much as this may be difficult, try to be less condemning and you may find that your perception will gradually improve

I know the Word of God very well, and you have not posted much of the Word of God since I have been reading your posts. What I see is the typical New Age doctrines that are contradictory to the Word of God. Example, is when you claimed that all were children of God. The Word of God says that some are children of God and some are children of the devil.

 

[soma]

The children of God have a lot to rejoice and be happy about. They think positively. Proverbs 15:15. The first part of that text says, All the days of the oppressed are wretched, A depressed person is a gloomy person who spends a lifetime thinking unhappy thoughts. They criticize and condemn, it looks like hell and their mind is in hell, maybe that is why they talk about it all the time. There is very little joy, very little to be cheerful about for people without the grace and love of god. We probably known people like that on this forum. They probably don't know it though. Now, the opposite of a sad sorry person is a happy child of God which is in the last part of this verse: but the cheerful heart has a continual feast." Even in bad times the sunny heart is sunny and bright.
Rejoice in the Lord

 

[Solo]

The children of God have a lot to rejoice and be happy about. They think positively. Proverbs 15:15. The first part of that text says, All the days of the oppressed are wretched, A depressed person is a gloomy person who spends a lifetime thinking unhappy thoughts. They criticize and condemn, it looks like hell and their mind is in hell, maybe that is why they talk about it all the time. There is very little joy, very little to be cheerful about for people without the grace and love of god. We probably known people like that on this forum. They probably don't know it though. Now, the opposite of a sad sorry person is a happy child of God which is in the last part of this verse: but the cheerful heart has a continual feast." Even in bad times the sunny heart is sunny and bright.
Rejoice in the Lord

Who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil?

 

[Soma-Sight]

Who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil?

All of us are a little of both unfortunately.

The Children of God are recognized by their Good Fruits.

Take the born again Christians that stole my truck in a shady car deal.

Or take the born again Christians who let me stay at their house when I had no where else to go.

Both professed to be Children of God... but actions often speak louder than Words.

soma and Lonelyguide have professed to believe in the Son of God so whats your point?

Many will be in Heaven that you would never expect as Christ points out continuosly in parables.

The Fruits of the Spirit are how you tell one from the other. I wonder why you insist on judging us when you dont really know our Fruits in real life rather than internet chat?

James 3:17

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-
loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

 

[Solo]

]Who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil?

All of us are a little of both unfortunately.

Wrong. We are either children of God or children of the devil. There is no both or in between. Show me in the scripture where we can be both.

The Children of God are recognized by their Good Fruits.

Take the born again Christians that stole my truck in a shady car deal.

Or take the born again Christians who let me stay at their house when I had no where else to go.

Both professed to be Children of God... but actions often speak louder than Words.

Yes, but Words can designate ones fruits as well. Those that are caught up in the New Age are often deceived by their own emotional requirements and are oblivious to the deceptions that they walk in. Others believe that the New Age doctrines give them a divine power, and will fight tooth and nail to keep the illusionary power over submitting to the holy Spirit.

soma and Lonelyguide have professed to believe in the Son of God so whats your point?

My point is to see whether Soma knows who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. So far, I am seeing that you do not know as well. Your hunger for New Age power is also evident.

Many will be in Heaven that you would never expect as Christ points out continuosly in parables.

Where does Christ point out that many will be in heaven that I would never expect?

The Fruits of the Spirit are how you tell one from the other. I wonder why you insist on judging us when you dont really know our Fruits in real life rather than internet chat?

James 3:17

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-
loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

I can only comment on what you write, and since this is a discussion board read by many, it is my responsibility first as a brother in Jesus Christ, second as a moderator, to correct any errors according to the Word of God, and hold individuals accountable to the forum's statement of faith and terms of service.

The wisdom that comes from heaven is pure of all sinful, personal baggage, and is peace-loving even when peace is thwarted by attacks from the enemy. This same wisdom is considerate of the position of others while determining the root of the position, and it is submissive to the Holy Spirit when considering all that one must consider on this forum, at home, at work, etc. The wisdom that comes from heaven is also full of mercy, and when applicable will be applied even after a rebuke, reproof, or correction. It has its foundation in Jesus Christ and is given for good fruit to be eaten to fulfill a need as this wisdom is impartial to whom it is rendered, and it is sincere and not frivolous.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16

 

[Lonelyguide]

All of us are a little of both unfortunately.

Falseness can never be reconciled with Truth. One quite simply cannot be half-pregnant. Since none of us is truly free from sin and since one therefore cannot be saved by works alone but only by grace, some warped minds might even say that we are all children of satan. The thing is that many - even after "embracing" Christ - still e.g. continue to sin in a manner that is clear for all of us to see. They continue, for instance, to condemn others even though our Saviour has very clearly told them not to do this. But since our Lord, in His infinite mercy, is much more merciful than those who incessantly condemn others, the possibility is there for us - thanks to our Lord's grace - to All be children of God.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Falseness can never be reconciled with Truth. One quite simply cannot be half-pregnant. Since none of us is truly free from sin and since one therefore cannot be saved by works alone but only by grace, some warped minds might even say that we are all children of satan. The thing is that many - even after "embracing" Christ - still e.g. continue to sin in a manner that is clear for all of us to see. They continue, for instance, to condemn others even though our Saviour has very clearly told them not to do this. But since our Lord, in His infinite mercy, is much more merciful than those who incessantly condemn others, the possibility is there for us - thanks to our Lord's grace - to All be children of God.

Thats a good attitude to have but dangerous to have in some situations.

Take child molesters for instance.

I know of a "born again" man that is a abuser of young children and has finally admitted it. Instead of sending his (@#@) to jail, the head pastor of the Evangelical Church is trying to start dialogues with the abused in order to obtain forgiveness. Of course it is healthy to forgive but to just let him off the hook without suferring in jail like he should is the ultimate in insanity.

Being "born again" is more than just a profession and good works are ESSENTIAL to prove you are not still under the power of the Devil.

How can anyone believe you are "born again" with rotten fruits?

 

[Lonelyguide]

The same goes for those who pretend to be christians, but who nonetheless don't cease to pile guilt upon themselves by constantly going against the Word of our Saviour and by sinning incessantly through their merciless condemnation of others.

Hard as this may be for the human ego to understand and accept, the head pastor you mention is a wise man. Atonement, forgiveness and healing are closely related. Abusing children is atrocious, but didn't Christ speak of the many times that we may have to forgive our brothers?

The ego is the god of separation and, like those who serve that ego, the ego will always compulsively separate in true and false ... it will always judge. But its truths are changeing like a weatherforecast whereas Truth is changeless. Truth, however, is in unity and not in separation: brought together, the Light of Truth will make all falseness vanish.

 

[Lonelyguide]

Since Adam was created in the image and likeness of God, the principles of consciousness are contained within man in ideal equilibrium. The tree of knowledge of good and evil puzzled Adam, and he lost the spiritual connection with the whole. Adam saw everything through the veil of his individual ego so he saw things menacing him and separate from God because the balance of the universe became blurred. After leaving the Garden of Eden and the state of pure consciousness, Adam tried to regain his original state by creating his own balance. This creation of individual consciousness is not reality because it is a state of isolation on the physical level, not a working together in harmony with the whole.

If you will permit, Soma, I will add a few words which may, to some extent, add clarification as to the subject which you have entamated here:

An illusion will remain an illusion as long as only one suffers from it and the ego therefore always seeks to see itself confirmed. And thus most if not all of man's listening is merely an attempt to primarily hear a confirmation of what he has already learnt.

Your own past learning is what separates you from innocence and from God. Remember what Christ said about children.

Ask to be taught and do not use your experiences to confirm what you have learnt. When your peace is threatened or disturbed in any way, say to yourself:

"I do not know what anything, including this, means. And so I do not know how to respond to it. And I will not use my own past learning as the light to guide me now"

By this refusal to attempt to teach yourself what you do not know, the Holy Spirit - the Guide Whom God has given you - will speak to you. He will take His rightful place in your awareness the instant you abandon it, and offer it to Him.

Understand this and you will understand how Adam's "knowledge" could have separated him from Knowledge and from God. Any knowledge which is not of the Father can not be Knowledge and constitutes a "veil" which separates us from the Father. Any communication outside of Holy Spirit does not constitute communication.

 

[protos]

An illusion will remain an illusion as long as only one suffers from it and the ego therefore always seeks to see itself confirmed. And thus most if not all of man's listening is merely an attempt to primarily hear a confirmation of what he has already learnt.

Oh crap!...this just about summarizes what I was doing about a year ago but I could never find the right words to describe it to those doing it now in the Science forum. Thanks, I'll be quoting this, with your permission of course. :D

 

[Lonelyguide]

Do you mean that it was

a confirmation of what you have already learnt

? : :wink: