church carry....

[Edward]

Jesus was not a transgressor.
He never sinned.
How could he become a transgressor?
He had to commit a sin.
Peter cut off an ear.
There's your sin.
They didn't care it wasn't Jesus, they blamed him for it.
Jesus had it done to fulfill prophecy.
Then he says, "no more", heals the ear and goes to his death as a transgressor.

If the point was for the disciples to carry swords and protect themselves, we surely would have an indication of that elsewhere in Scripture.

I get it now. Jesus was numbered with the transgressors because He was to pay the price for them, He's on our side, (the sinners) so was numbered or reckoned with us. This doesn't mean that He sinned. He did not. Think of a baseball or football team. They take on a new player to play with them, they also have a crappy player which they intend to let go. The new good player isn't considered crappy just because he's on the same team that has a crappy player. lol. Well, maybe by some, but that wouldn't make it the truth now would it?

If the point was more for the disciples to not carry swords...then why does Jesus tell them to sell their cloak and buy one, oh, you have two? It is enough. It seems to me that the more important that something is, the more it will be spoken of in scripture. I believe that this issue, being only spoken of once...isn't really that important. We could get along without a sword, having the God Almighty on our side, but, yeah have a sword, so He mentions it. But not so much as to give people the wrong idea. He IS trying to teach us to love and not so much to war, right? That's why it's not in scripture more, but is in there.

 

[Deborah13]

Sounds like your basic "slamfire". Slamming the bolt down on an already chambered round. Sometimes you have to have your finger on the trigger, other times a stuck and protruding firing pin will do it. This is why you ALWAYS have the muzzle pointed in a safe direction when clearing a weapon.

People always forget muzzle control, for some reason. There's a story floating around the internet about a guy who dropped the mag and proceeded to cycle the weapon to clear the chamber, even though he KNEW it wasn't loaded. Well, it was, and since the recoil spring was unusually strong he let the bolt handle slip before he could lock it full back. The bolt with a slightly protruding FP slammed forward into the loaded chamber, igniting the round and because he failed to point the rifle in a safe direction since it was so basic a check procedure, shooting his napping dog through the heart. The dog never felt a thing. The owner will never forget that night.

That sounds like what happened. He was sitting in his truck talking with someone outside the truck. I think he just wasn't used to that gun and got careless, not paying attention. He was very fortunate the injury wasn't worse.

 

[Deborah13]

I get it now. Jesus was numbered with the transgressors because He was to pay the price for them, He's on our side, (the sinners) so was numbered or reckoned with us. This doesn't mean that He sinned. He did not. Think of a baseball or football team. They take on a new player to play with them, they also have a crappy player which they intend to let go. The new good player isn't considered crappy just because he's on the same team that has a crappy player. lol. Well, maybe by some, but that wouldn't make it the truth now would it?

imo
It wasn't that God numbered Him with the transgressors, it was those who hated Him and wanted Him gone. They saw Him as a transgressor. They of coarse were wrong.
They being the Jewish leadership that He called Vipers.

And today, there is leadership in the Orthodox Jews who still believe the same about Him. One famous rabbi comparing Him to rev. Moon and Jim Jones. In other words, a false teacher and prophet.

If the point was more for the disciples to not carry swords...then why does Jesus tell them to sell their cloak and buy one, oh, you have two? It is enough. It seems to me that the more important that something is, the more it will be spoken of in scripture. I believe that this issue, being only spoken of once...isn't really that important. We could get along without a sword, having the God Almighty on our side, but, yeah have a sword, so He mentions it. But not so much as to give people the wrong idea. He IS trying to teach us to love and not so much to war, right? That's why it's not in scripture more, but is in there.

It is rather confusing to me why He told them to bring weapons. He says there were things not completed yet? But because He was hated then His close associates were in danger as well? It appears to me they were to defend themselves or at least appear as if they would. I don't think God would have allowed anything to happen to any of them at that point but their enemies wouldn't have known that. So 'open carry' would have detoured some trouble. (You're not going to quietly knock Him off in some back alley. There will be a very public trial that will be remembered for eternity.)
To me it's just show's how God uses the things and people of this world to bring about His plans.

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus was not a transgressor.
He never sinned.
How could he become a transgressor?
He had to commit a sin.
Peter cut off an ear.
There's your sin.
They didn't care it wasn't Jesus, they blamed him for it.
Jesus had it done to fulfill prophecy.
Then he says, "no more", heals the ear and goes to his death as a transgressor.

If the point was for the disciples to carry swords and protect themselves, we surely would have an indication of that elsewhere in Scripture.

He wasn't a transgressor and He didn't become a transgressor. There were those who saw Him as a transgressor. imo, that is what these scriptures are talking about. 'They' numbered Him with the transgressors. And so He was crucified with the thieves, Him becoming the sacrifice and mediator for all of us true transgressors.

 

[reba]

He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need.
He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need.
A song we sang in church many years ago....

Yes in a sense He is all we need.
So who here eats food He is the Manna right
How about water any one go with out water? He is the Living Water.
Shelter ? Is He your Shelter in time of storm. Do we want a roof over our heads?
He is our protection Yet do we not put on a jacket against the cold... We women seek protection from 'bad guys' from our men..


Here IMO is the balance
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


1Co_9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Jas_2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

 

[WIP]

He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need.
He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need.
A song we sang in church many years ago....

Yes in a sense He is all we need.
So who here eats food He is the Manna right
How about water any one go with out water? He is the Living Water.
Shelter ? Is He your Shelter in time of storm. Do we want a roof over our heads?
He is our protection Yet do we not put on a jacket against the cold... We women seek protection from 'bad guys' from our men..


Here IMO is the balance
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


1Co_9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Jas_2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Added some emphasis to Matthew 6:33.

 

[Edward]

That sounds like what happened. He was sitting in his truck talking with someone outside the truck. I think he just wasn't used to that gun and got careless, not paying attention. He was very fortunate the injury wasn't worse.

If the man had reloaded ammo in his gun, it's possible that he had what is called a "high primer" also, which is one not seated completely and protrudes beyond the bottom of the case, which can be ignited by a slide slamming onto it. It's been known to happen.

 

[Deborah13]

If the man had reloaded ammo in his gun, it's possible that he had what is called a "high primer" also, which is one not seated completely and protrudes beyond the bottom of the case, which can be ignited by a slide slamming onto it. It's been known to happen.

No these weren't reloads. Dh does his reloads and we don't have those dies. Is that right, dies? He sold it anyway.

 

[Edward]

No these weren't reloads. Dh does his reloads and we don't have those dies. Is that right, dies? He sold it anyway.

Your DH reloads? Good for him. I bet he's really appreciating that he does nowadays, I know I am, lol. Dies is right, btw.

Are you sure it was a 41? Semi-auto 41? That had to be the semi-wildcat cartridge, the .41 AE, which is not a regular production item that I am aware of. The 40 S&W is a 40, and I *think* the only 41 regular production cartridge/guns are 41 magnums, built for revolvers.