Church offers to refund tithes

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A Texas megachurch believes so much in the promise of God's blessings that it's offering a full refund to tithers who don't experience it.

Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, has launched "The 90-Day Challenge," which promises churchgoers, "that if you tithe for 90 days and God doesn't hold true to his promise of blessings, we will refund 100% of your tithe," the church said in a description of the event on its website.

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It will be interesting to see how many refunds they have to give.

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[Kathi]

This is a Church.It is supposed to be a place and word of God.A "90 day refund"?.You are not talking about a purchase of a new television.How worldly can you get?

 

[for_his_glory]

To make a challenge like this is dangerous as how many will lose what faith they have in God when they do not see the expectations come forth. This pastor will be held accountable before God.

 

[Kathi]

To make a challenge like this is dangerous as how many will lose what faith they have in God when they do not see the expectations come forth. This pastor will be held accountable before God.

Pastors and those who teach the word of God to those God loves will receive a more severe judgment.

 

[Deborah13]

To make a challenge like this is dangerous as how many will lose what faith they have in God when they do not see the expectations come forth. This pastor will be held accountable before God.

He already teaches tithing from Malachi as many churches do. He's just willing to put his money where his mouth is.

 

[for_his_glory]

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Gary]

Prosperity gospel.

 

[for_his_glory]

He already teaches tithing from Malachi as many churches do. He's just willing to put his money where his mouth is.

To teach it is one thing as long as it's taught right, but no one should put it out there as a stumblingblock to possibly cause one to stumble if they do not receive such said blessings as many could believe that God doesn't hold true to His promises and turn from His grace forever.

 

[for_his_glory]

Paul in Galatians 2:19 did not say the law was dead; he said he was dead to the law. In other words the law had no authority over him because he was under grace and law and grace cannot mix, Galatians 2:21. The law is not dead as some teach. You can live under the Law if you choose, but Galatians 3:10-13 states the law is very much alive, so alive that it carries a curse with it if violated trying to live by it.

Paul never taught tithing, in truth he taught against it. Tithing is not for the born-again believer today. Tithing was incorporated into the law given to Moses, Leviticus 27:26-34. The same law where circumcision was incorporated into, Lev. 12:1-8. We do not circumcise or sacrifice animals according to the law, so why do we tithe. Romans 10:4 For Christ are the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. Galatians 3:10-13 for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse and man is not justified by the law in the sight of God, but Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

BTW tithing was never monetary, but that of the material 10%. Just another thing man changed.

 

[WIP]

And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Luke 4:12

 

[TOG]

He already teaches tithing from Malachi as many churches do. He's just willing to put his money where his mouth is.

Perhaps, but I can't help but think of what Jesus said when Satan tried to get him to "put his money where his mouth is".

Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’" (Matt. 4:7 ESV)
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[TOG]

And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Luke 4:12

Perhaps, but I can't help but think of what Jesus said when Satan tried to get him to "put his money where his mouth is".

Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’" (Matt. 4:7 ESV)
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Great minds think alike.

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[Edward]

To make a challenge like this is dangerous as how many will lose what faith they have in God when they do not see the expectations come forth. This pastor will be held accountable before God.

Either that, or blessed for his faith.

Perhaps, but I can't help but think of what Jesus said when Satan tried to get him to "put his money where his mouth is".

Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’" (Matt. 4:7 ESV)
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...Keeping in mind that Jesus had set His divinity aside for this and was doing this as a man. God can not be tempted, it says so and yet, Jesus was tempted all over the place. That's no contradiction! He had set His divinty to the side as was fully man...the only difference being was that since He NEVER transgressed the law, that He had a very good relationship with the Father.

Every bit of it is available to US.

 

[reba]

there is temptation of the Chocolate cake placed in front of you.. One knows on the in side if they are tempted a big difference... each is a action of their own...

 

[Deborah13]

Perhaps, but I can't help but think of what Jesus said when Satan tried to get him to "put his money where his mouth is".

Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’" (Matt. 4:7 ESV)
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I was being snarky, as I think teaching tithing from Malachi is wrong because they don't teach the truth of it anyway.

 

[Deborah13]

Either that, or blessed for his faith.


...Keeping in mind that Jesus had set His divinity aside for this and was doing this as a man. God can not be tempted, it says so and yet, Jesus was tempted all over the place. That's no contradiction! He had set His divinty to the side as was fully man...the only difference being was that since He NEVER transgressed the law, that He had a very good relationship with the Father.

Every bit of it is available to US.

In my opinion most all of what is being taught about tithing, especially from Malachi is incorrect teaching.

 

[Edward]

there is temptation of the Chocolate cake placed in front of you.. One knows on the in side if they are tempted a big difference... each is a action of their own...

Right. Self control is the goal. Each has their own weaknesses and the enemy will stand back and watch to see what they are and use those against us. Being able to feel content without is a noble pursuit. With each small victory, faith is increased, with each failure...a reason to try harder. Should I get the salad, or the ice cream cone?

I *think* (uh-oh!) that I am beginning to learn that with each temptation that we have, with proper perspective, we should be able to use the temptation as another step towards God. For instance, the enemy whispers in ones ear, you could have that woman, take her...then one with proper perspective takes the thought captive, and gives glory to God. I thank you Father for such an amazing wife that you have given me and I shall now go home and tell her how much You love her and how much I love her. In that manner. In this way, temptations will backfire on Satan and nothing else but to serve to bring us closer to God and increase our faith.

 

[Edward]

In my opinion most all of what is being taught about tithing, especially from Malachi is incorrect teaching.

Um, what is your view on tithing in a nutshell, sister? We should? Should not?
I've studied this before and have my beliefs, but am unfamiliar with the scriptures in Malachi that you speak of so i find myself a little curious about your post.

 

[Deborah13]

Um, what is your view on tithing in a nutshell, sister? We should? Should not?
I've studied this before and have my beliefs, but am unfamiliar with the scriptures in Malachi that you speak of so i find myself a little curious about your post.

I believe we give as the NT says. We've had several threads on this where I have stated my position.
But that really doesn't matter in this thread. If one is going to teach from Malachi, OT tithing by the Law of Moses, then they need to be honest about it.
The some of the scripture from Malachi is in the article that was posted in the OP. Malachi 3:10

ESV
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.

There is lots of info online that you can help you study about the tithe.

 

[Edward]

Oh I did study it before. Originally, tithing was about food. I do not think that we NT believers are obligated to tithe, however, the Lord does not change and will certainly honor His original promise. I have tested this, having read that it is ok to do so. I can not deny the promise of God. Every time, He comes through with blessings.

I do think that we have to be careful about out motive in tithing if we choose to do so. If we do it for the blessings...uh-oh...you'll get them all right, but the motive of the heart can be thin ice to tread upon. The Lord gives us many blessings, and we must realize that we are the blessing unto others. No matter our situation, we are to help the less fortunate and needy with a cheerful heart and without being anxious about our situation. What goes around comes around, the Lord has always provided and always will.