Church sans Tribulation

[for_his_glory]

Yes, that is scripturally clear and I agree, but how does one relate that to the tribulation chronology? Thanks.

In a chronological sense this is when John was first given the visions of all things that must come first before Christ returns. Just like Matthew 24 is an outline of those events, Revelations expands more on them as they are revealed to John.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

The time has always been at hand beginning with the resurrection of Christ and Him ascending up to heaven, but yet no one knows the day or hour of His return. He has given us many signs to watch for His return, especially Matthew 24:29-31 which says immediately after the tribulation of those days (meaning Gods great wrath during the seven trumpets and seven vial judgements) and Rev 19:11-21 as this is at the timing of the seventh trumpet sounding after many have taken the mark of the beast, Rev 13, as on the last day, John 6:40, Christ then returns to destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and then we are caught up to Him, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

 

[netchaplain]

In a chronological sense this is when John was first given the visions of all things that must come first before Christ returns. Just like Matthew 24 is an outline of those events, Revelations expands more on them as they are revealed to John.

Yes, we can see precursors only (i.e. Mat 24:32)!
Blessings!

 

[for_his_glory]

we dont we really can not prove time of the rapture pre trib mid trib or after trib even though i cant see the church going through the great tribulation

It's not the Church (Body of Christ) that will be affected by Gods great wrath as we are saved from it as long as we endure in faith and trust God in all things even if we are persecuted to death, Matthew 10:28, until the end of it when Christ returns for His Bride, Matthew 24:13; 2 Peter Chapter 3.

God's great wrath to come will be the end of His longsuffering and patience on those stiffnecked people who reject Christ as in hopes that they will repent and turn back to God as He would that none should perish.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, we can see precursors only (i.e. Mat 24:32)!
Blessings!

Yes, we can only see precursors and be prepared to be His Bride at His coming so we are not taken as a thief in the night coming to us.

Blessings to you also

 

[netchaplain]

Yes, we can only see precursors and be prepared to be His Bride at His coming so we are not taken as a thief in the night coming to us.

Blessings to you also

Amen, the unbelievers will not be ready, but those reborn will be (1 Thes 5:1-10).

 

[Jim Parker]

Back of the theories that the Church will enter or pass through the tribulation is the Arminian heresy.....

Actually, it comes from scripture:

Rev 7:9-10 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Rev 7:13-14 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

A person cannot "come out of" the great tribulation unless he was actually IN the great tribulation.

Pre-mid-post trib "rapture" all make great opinions to argue about but are of no use whatsoever in progressing in holiness and doing the good works by which we will be judged. (John 5:28-29) In fact, arguing about these opinions are, IMO, a distraction from the work of a CHristian to "let his light so shine...."

The arguments just enhance the Christian Gnostic's repertoire of "special knowledge" but produce nothing of lasting value.

And that's how I see it.

 

[turnorburn]

Does anyone remember the centuries of great tribulations these people went through?

http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm

 

[Jim Parker]

Does anyone remember the centuries of great tribulations these people went through?

http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm

They are less horrific than the 20th century

 

[netchaplain]

Actually, it comes from scripture:

Rev 7:9-10 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Rev 7:13-14 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

A person cannot "come out of" the great tribulation unless he was actually IN the great tribulation.

A pretty good point Brother Jim! My view is that all of the commentators I use do not relate the word "tribulation" to a specific period of time but a general period of time, i.e. John 16:33; Act 14:22, and many other references. I also think adding the article "the" great tribulation is unnecessary.

I think another mistake that is made in interpreting Revelation is that their are events that are not chronologically consistent as listed in the order they are mentioned. There are commentators who place some of the listed events in times that have already passed. I am cautious when it comes to affixing definite chronologies to most of the events in this Book.

 

[Jim Parker]

A pretty good point Brother Jim! My view is that all of the commentators I use do not relate the word "tribulation" to a specific period of time but a general period of time, i.e. John 16:33; Act 14:22, and many other references. I also think adding the article "the" great tribulation is unnecessary.

I think another mistake that is made in interpreting Revelation is that their are events that are not chronologically consistent as listed in the order they are mentioned. There are commentators who place some of the listed events in times that have already passed. I am cautious when it comes to affixing definite chronologies to most of the events in this Book.

I agree.

 

[netchaplain]

I agree.

Appreciate sharing your concurrence!

 

[netchaplain]

Does anyone remember the centuries of great tribulations these people went through?

http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm

Hi TOB, and thanks for your input. Very applicable!