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Commandments vs Born Again ?

twinc said:
good - the good seed has been sown - now just give it time - twinc
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This may be a silly question - how much time?

I assume I took the right test? Post a link if you like?

If it's the one I just took, I have taken it before. I think it's a wonderful 'test' for someone to understand they are completely unrighteous. But how does that apply to the righteousness I receive through Christ?
 
Nathan said:
This may be a silly question - how much time?

I assume I took the right test? Post a link if you like?

If it's the one I just took, I have taken it before. I think it's a wonderful 'test' for someone to understand they are completely unrighteous. But how does that apply to the righteousness I receive through Christ?
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Nathan said:
This may be a silly question - how much time?

I assume I took the right test? Post a link if you like?

If it's the one I just took, I have taken it before. I think it's a wonderful 'test' for someone to understand they are completely unrighteous. But how does that apply to the righteousness I receive through Christ?
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it is called backsliding or never slid forward or was born again- it is also on google under[Hell's best kept secret] - twinc
 
Soul man said:
Good scriptures, think about this; Paul was never alive without the law!
I believe he was speaking retrospectively of the fall in the Garden.
Got any thoughts on it, he was born under law and very zealous of the law so he had to be bringing out an understanding.
Totally coincides with the rest of the chapter.
It is one of the most confusing chapters for Christians there is, they see themselves still with a sin nature.
Sure we have sin, we sin as Christians but we no longer have a sin nature. It is a mind function now.
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Thats why Jesus says unless you become like one of these little ones you cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Paul was alive without the Law, but as he grew up and the commandment come sin sprang to life and he died.

Its the same as a christian, as soon as they read the bible or get baptized the commandment comes. Trying to please and obey God that is only a curse.

Thats why people fall to there knees in repentance at baptism, they are buried into death, they feel guilty and convicted under the Law, they are standing before the judgement throne and the book is open and they are judged. And what do they do, they ask the judge for forgiveness and promise the judge they will follow the commandments and serve there god and be obedient and be good christians, but that's the wrong path, and they are imprisoned in hell. Living in the belly of the whale and they need to be raised up. Waiting for Christ to come open the prison gates.

Everyone must die once and baptism is death as scripture says.

The spirit that enters the temple at baptism is the AOD.

There are two spirits in the temple, the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of crooked one must figure out, once the man of sin is revealed then Christ will return. Christ raises people up.

Its what Paul tries to explain. Even when he says dont worry about what some of you are about to go through, and everything else, hold tight its a bumpy ride. He is explaining the process.

Even Paul said he was not sent to baptize but preach the gospel to the gentiles that is the true baptism, they are alive without the commandment, just like the thief on the cross.

Jews had to be born again. Because they were under the curse of the Law they needed to be baptized and raised back up. Fire, Water, Spirit.

And Paul thanked God he didn't baptise more people, gentile baptism would have been going strong in those days with the faith being spread across the land.
 
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JohnDB said:
Yeah....Very true.
But I happen to like the Amish and Mennonites. They make some great breads, jams, and furniture. Kinda expensive but absolutely worth it.
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The best chicken and dumplings you can ever eat, pies, so on. They are some of the greatest law keepers that exists in religion. Not saying their not wonderful people, and I'm sure there are saved among them. Their doctrine is what we judge, just as any other. A man's message tells the tell.
 
kiwidan said:
Thats why Jesus says unless you become like one of these little ones you cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Paul was alive without the Law, but as he grew up and the commandment come sin sprang to life and he died.

Its the same as a christian, as soon as they read the bible or get baptized the commandment comes. Trying to please and obey God that is only a curse.

Thats why people fall to there knees in repentance at baptism, they are buried into death, they feel guilty and convicted under the Law, they are standing before the judgement throne and the book is open and they are judged. And what do they do, they ask the judge for forgiveness and promise the judge they will follow the commandments and serve there god and be obedient and be good christians, but that's the wrong path, and they are imprisoned in hell. Living in the belly of the whale and they need to be raised up. Waiting for Christ to come open the prison gates.

Everyone must die once and baptism is death as scripture says.

The spirit that enters the temple at baptism is the AOD.

There are two spirits in the temple, the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of crooked one must figure out, once the man of sin is revealed then Christ will return. Christ raises people up.

Its what Paul tries to explain. Even when he says dont worry about what some of you are about to go through, and everything else, hold tight its a bumpy ride. He is explaining the process.

Even Paul said he was not sent to baptize but preach the gospel to the gentiles that is the true baptism, they are alive without the commandment, just like the thief on the cross.

Jews had to be born again. Because they were under the curse of the Law they needed to be baptized and raised back up. Fire, Water, Spirit.

And Paul thanked God he didn't baptise more people, gentile baptism would have been going strong in those days with the faith being spread across the land.
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Yes and I'll say amen, good stuff. But the law was in effect when Paul was born, he was never alive without the law.
The commandment that came was in the garden.
The first commandment that came was "don't eat from this tree or you will die."
 
Soul man said:
Yes and I'll say amen, good stuff. But the law was in effect when Paul was born, he was never alive without the law.
The commandment that came was in the garden.
The first commandment that came was "don't eat from this tree or you will die."
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"To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law."

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

"And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

"because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression."
 
Can only sin if your under the Law. And the Law is a curse.

I don't try obey and serve God because that puts me under the Law and a curse following satan. Everyone can walk with Christ in the Kingdom and be an equal and sit on his throne with him as a King because he does not exalt himself above humanity, he raises people up and he allows them to sit on his throne and he is the King of Kings.

Only satan is the image of a god who exalts himself above humanity who demands people serve and obey him through laws and religion.
 
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twinc said:
The good test is to see behind all the bluff and bluster exactly what righteousness is claimed as a result of claimed inspiration/indwelling by the H/S and being born again - most refuse to take it and prefer to continue with their bluff and bluster and misguidance and misguiding - it can simply be taken via google on the internet[The Good Test] - twinc
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The Ray Comfort test. But no one is good but God. Mark 10:18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
 
The true God of the Garden is unconditional love, there is no contract, if people think there is a condition to get into the pearly gates there still following the prince of this world, the god of this world. The Kingdom is within and the true God is unconditional love no contract attached, no follow my Commands to enter, no obey me to enter, no serve me to enter, no worship me to enter, no nothing. Thats Christs Father. The true God has set us free and given us liberty with no conditions. He knows he wrote goodness in our hearts. Believing in Christ is not a Law. He is the bread of life. He will not turn away anyone who comes to him.

If anyone is in babylon they should come out of babylon and not serve the image of the King of babylon.
 
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kiwidan said:
The true God of the Garden is unconditional love, there is no contract, if people think there is a condition to get into the pearly gates there still following the prince of this world, the god of this world. The Kingdom is within and the true God is unconditional love no contract attached, no follow my Commands to enter, no obey me to enter, no serve me to enter, no worship me to enter, no nothing. Thats Christs Father. The true God has set us free and given us liberty with no conditions. He knows he wrote goodness in our hearts. Believing in Christ is not a Law. He is the bread of life. He will not turn away anyone who comes to him.

If anyone is in babylon they should come out of babylon and not serve the image of the King of babylon.
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there is a vast difference in saying so and knowing so - so have you checked to see exactly what is within that you are regarding as the kingdom and your kingdom - twinc
 
twinc said:
of course you did not simply simply answer the question but skirted /dodged around it - btw Jesus did not say we must be born again but He definitely said 'keep my commandments' viz the ones He personally wrote and gave to Moses - it seems as stated most prefer to keep the commands of men that we must be born again rather than the commandments of God - twinc
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I don't skirt or dodge. Here your verse. John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
 
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
 
Chopper said:
I don't skirt or dodge. Here your verse. John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
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this is the major cause of division, differences etc, slip shod interpretation - that was then and rightly applied but does not apply now - it is required that one be born again as a Christian - via water and the spirit and even Jesus as a Jew submitted to this - twinc
 
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