Consider the Flood and Attributes of God

[Carry_Your_Name]

This statement of yours sums up the theology of many professing Christians. I started this thread to counter this viewpoint because it casts aspersions upon the holy, righteous, infinitely wise and infinitely powerful God whose perfection is such that He can never fail to accomplish that which He wills to perform, in exactly the way and timing He wills it be done.
Think for a moment: God loves you, knows you cannot swim, knows your impotence to save yourself, yet does nothing to jump in and actually pull you to safety. Instead, He throws you a lifeline to which you must swim or catch but can't. This is the scenario believed by many. God does all He can. The rest is up to you.

The Bible teaches of a God who is quite different. He takes matters into His own hands because He knows man is unable and unwilling to do anything to save himself. He sends a Savior before anyone. His Savior fully satisfied the just demands of a holy God. He paid in full the sin debt of all those who were given Him by the Father. They are freely given the gifts, via the Holy Spirit, needed to believe on Christ, as well as those needed to perform the tasks God had planned for them to accomplish. They, in turn, tell others of Jesus Christ who turned them from sin and Satan to love God and holiness.

However, many do not wish to hear the truth. Many refuse to believe God's saving grace is specific to those He loves. They refuse to believe that it is God's free will to choose who to love or not to love.... who to gift with saving grace and who not to gift with saving grace.

They refuse to believe grace is not owed anyone. Thus, no injustice is done when grace is withheld. However, justice, on the other hand, is owed all. Christ paid justice for His people, His chosen, His Elect, His bride. They will all be with God in Heaven. That is His promise, which cannot be broken (Romans 8:29:30).

The God of the bible hands out wedding invitations, that's God's free will; accepting or not that invitation is a personal choice, God didn't drag everybody to the wedding; dressing up for the wedding is a personal responsibility, to dress up in white robes - washed in the blood of the Lamb (Rev. 7:14), which symbolizes God's righteousness. This robe is not handed out freely like the invitation, but bought from Jesus (Rev. 3:18). For those who're not dressed in this robe, they're thrown out, therefore many are called, but few are chosen. Whatever you like to call it, man, the "rest" is the difference between being called and being chosen. The purpose of this is to rebuke the hateful, judgy caricature of God who condemns people to hell, which is not true, it's those people themselves who've made a hell out of heaven and a heaven out of hell.

 

[GodsGrace]

Please explain why you disagree with my first paragraph. Please use Scripture as your authority.

If you posted it,,,I'd be able to reply.

An excellent explanation of Genesis 6:6 is found here.

My entire post centers on the postulate that God saves all whom He loves and loses none, except those He does not love.

Then I'd say it's your postulate that I cannot agree with because it is not what the NT teaches.
God saves ANYONE that desires to be saved.
Since God loves all of humanity....
all of humanity has the opportunity to be saved.
John 3:16

If God saves all those that He loves....
does this mean that God loved them even when they were wicked?
The OT states that God hates the wicked.

Psalm 11:5 NASB
5 The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
Leviticus 20:23
23And you shall not walk in the customs of the nation that I am driving out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I detested them.
Proverbs 16:5
5Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.

Your statement places an unbiblical distinction to God's love when the issue here concerns salvation. In effect, you are saying God loves His children enough to save them but does not love the rest of mankind enough to save them.

As is normal with the reformed....
you put the cart before the horse.

NO. I am not saying God loves His children enough to save them...

Here is what I'm saying again:
God loves all of humanity.
John 3:16

I'm stating that God has a special love for those that choose to worship and obey Him.
1 John 3:1
1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
I'm stating that God is sorry that not all of His creation wants to be saved:
Matthew 23:37
37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.


Jesus' desire was to gather all of Jews in Jerusalem together....
But they were NOT WILLING.....not all of them desired to be gathered.

 

[GodsGrace]

The entire point of Christ's mission was to save lost sinners. He selflessly took on the form of a servant and endured all the malicious events leading up to His inhumane crucifixion because of His LOVE for His people, His family, His bride, who are worldwide (John 3:16). Christ, who cannot lie, stated He lost none (John 17:12), which was the will of the Father (John 6:39). Christ always obeys and prays the will of the Father (John 6:38; John 11:42; Luke 23:34).

Considering these truths, 1 Timothy 2:4, is not a contradiction: God desires/wills/decrees ALL His Elect people be saved, no matter what their class or status. God's decretive will cannot be thwarted (Dan 4:35).

Then I profer that we have a very weak God.

1 Tim 2:4 declares that God desires that all men be saved.
All men.
So why aren't they?
Is God not sovereign enough?

The reply might be that the word ELECT is NOT in 1 Tim 2:4....
You have added to scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, God is just. That is why God could not allow man to escape justice with a simple, "I forgive you." Out of LOVE the Word agreed to take on the form of man and offer Himself a sacrifice for His Chosen.

Limited Atonement is not biblical icon.
Even many reformed theologians do not accept this teaching.

And "His chosen" is ANYONE that desires to be saved.
Acts 16:31 Paul declared.
31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."


It's good that you know about Jesus' ministry.
Here's what the Apostle John stated about it:
1 John 1:1-4
1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life -
2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us-
3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

Christ's crucifixion has a double meaning: It denotes the LOVE of God for His Elect who will never suffer the punishment Christ experienced; one which they rightly deserved, while, on the other hand, it also denotes the horrendous, unspeakable punishment awaiting non-believers.

Then I'd have to say that God is a most unjust God.
Unless you explain cleary who the elect of God are.....

I ask all reformed persons this and never get a reply....
What is justice?

Jesus explains in John 15:16 that He is the one doing the choosing, not man.

Of course in John 15:16 Jesus is speaking to His Apostles.
Are You an Apostle? Then Jesus would have chosen you...
But since you are Not an Apostle...God gave to you the same opportunity to be saved
as He did to the rest of mankind.

What is justice?

The natural ability of man to obey and follow the will of God is a myth. This is why God must change the heart, nature and will of man through regeneration (Jeremiah 31:31 ff., Ezekiel 34;26 ff., John 3:3).

Of course God gives to man a new heart....how else would man be able to follow God?
This does Not mean the regeneration comes before salvation.
The problem here lies with the fact that you do not believe in free will.
It twists the word of God and makes no sense of it.

Being regenerated means to be made new.
Your statement says this:
A person must be made new before he can be made new...
or
A person must be born again before he can be born again.

Could you post some scripture that states this?

And putting verses in parenthesis - like the Confessions do - isn't really too helpful.
Please post the entire verse if you wish to continue with this discussion.

Of course not. Whoever would say such an inane thing? God sovereignly changes the stubborn will of His Elect so that they willingly come to Christ (John 3:8; John 6:44, 65).

I think you've discovered by now that I don't believe in compatibilist free will.

I believe in free will.

 

[iconbusters]

I think you've discovered by now that I don't believe in compatibilist free will.

Oh no. I've discovered you don't believe any of the fundamental Bible truths I've stated with numerous Scriptural proofs.

This does Not mean the regeneration comes before salvation.

Of course it does. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We are all born spiritually blind. We must be healed/regenerated FIRST of our blindness BEFORE we can see/understand and determine to follow Christ.

After serious consideration, I must follow the admonition of Matt. 10:14.

 

[iconbusters]

That's not "doubly jeopardy", but "substitutional atonement", see 2 Cor. 5:21. Jesus did atone for all, but not all have their sins atoned, because ultimately only believers are atoned and saved, unbelievers are NOT, they're condemned, as they will be judged for their own sins, this distinction was made in Jn. 3, it's the Lord's own words, not my assertion. If you take a Calvinistic view that believers and unbelievers are predestined, though, that'd be your assertion.

The Bible states quite clearly that our sin debt was paid in full: IT IS FINISHED. Our sin debt was paid on the cross BEFORE we asked for forgiveness: Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. We are not naturally inclined to believe and love God. Our nature must be changed and the gracious gift of faith given.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jn. 3:18)

Christ came into a world already condemned. All had sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The Father, in eternity, chose many to be given to Christ for atonement and propitiation. They, and they alone, are the true sons of God. Of course, many claim otherwise. This fact is highlighted in Matthew 7:21 ff.

What all have inherited is Adam's sinful nature, as all are made in his image. We do not inherit his guilt, though, his guilt is on his own, and ours on us.

On the contrary, Scripture is quite clear: it is the guilty that shall bear their punishment, (Leviticus 5:17). Infants die due to the guilt of Adam's sin which has been imputed them. They had not yet sinned due to their own malfeasance. The guilt for our sins was imputed to Christ, though He had not actually committed any of them.

 

[iconbusters]

he God of the bible hands out wedding invitations, that's God's free will; accepting or not that invitation is a personal choice, God didn't drag everybody to the wedding;

This is an important parable which teaches valuable lessons: (1) It is an invitation to a joyous event, a wedding, yet many could care less. (2) The Jewish people were the first invited yet rejected the invitation. (3) The invitation is now freely and abundantly given to all people, sinners of every kind. However, this parable does not explain how and why those invited DO ACCEPT the invitation. It says nothing of free will.

This robe is not handed out freely like the invitation, but bought from Jesus (Rev. 3:18).

With what did you 'buy' your robe from Jesus???

The purpose of this is to rebuke the hateful, judgy caricature of God who condemns people to hell, which is not true, it's those people themselves who've made a hell out of heaven and a heaven out of hell.

If God does not condemn people to Hell, then who is the Judge who condemns them? My Bible states the Lord is the Judge of all the earth, Genesis 18:25, et. al.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This is an important parable which teaches valuable lessons: (1) It is an invitation to a joyous event, a wedding, yet many could care less. (2) The Jewish people were the first invited yet rejected the invitation. (3) The invitation is now freely and abundantly given to all people, sinners of every kind. However, this parable does not explain how and why those invited DO ACCEPT the invitation. It says nothing of free will.

It was explained why they rejected. They were preoccupied with other stuffs, worldly businesses and pleasures, gospel was not at the top of their to do list, therefore they passed it off; those on the byways and highways accepted the invitation at their free will, including some who failed to dress up for the wedding because they didn't take it seriously, and for them, although they accepted the invitation, God didn't accept them, they were thrown out.

It seems like you've taken a fatalistic Calvinist view, that everything is predetermined and there's no free will, forgive me for not buying it.

With what did you 'buy' your robe from Jesus???

idk, you tell me.

If God does not condemn people to Hell, then who is the Judge who condemns them? My Bible states the Lord is the Judge of all the earth, Genesis 18:25, et. al.

Your bible probably also states that God is love, he loves the world, he wishes all were saved, etc. Two sides of the same coin. Actually God does condemn, but do you know HOW he condemns? Not sending them to hell, but giving them up to their own vile passions, to their own debased minds (Rom. 1:24-32), by which they sent themselves to hell, as I said.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The Bible states quite clearly that our sin debt was paid in full: IT IS FINISHED. Our sin debt was paid on the cross BEFORE we asked for forgiveness: Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. We are not naturally inclined to believe and love God. Our nature must be changed and the gracious gift of faith given.

That only applies to born again believers, not unbelievers who love darkness rather than light.

Christ came into a world already condemned. All had sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The Father, in eternity, chose many to be given to Christ for atonement and propitiation. They, and they alone, are the true sons of God. Of course, many claim otherwise. This fact is highlighted in Matthew 7:21 ff.

Many are called, few are chosen. A relationship of love with God must be mutual, while God loves you, you must love God. If you love another idol and mistake it as God, like the Israelites with the golden calf, then the bond is broken.

On the contrary, Scripture is quite clear: it is the guilty that shall bear their punishment, (Leviticus 5:17). Infants die due to the guilt of Adam's sin which has been imputed them. They had not yet sinned due to their own malfeasance. The guilt for our sins was imputed to Christ, though He had not actually committed any of them.

Yes, THEIR punishment for their OWN guilt, not anybody else's. Each person bears the guilt of their own, not anybody else's, Ez. 18:20. Infants die in a broken and sinful world which is the CONSEQUENCE of Adam's sin, that's not Adam's personal sin imputed on them.

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh no. I've discovered you don't believe any of the fundamental Bible truths I've stated with numerous Scriptural proofs.

Sir,,,
Because you post something, does not make it true.

Of course it does. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Please explain how your above verse states that regeneration comes before salvation.
Calvinists see calvinism everywhere they look.

Your above verse only states that only a born again person can see the Kingdom of God here on earth.
That's ALL it states.
Nothing about regeneration.
You are adding preconceived ideas to the scripture.

Do you believe a non Christian can see the Kingdom of God here on earth?
One must be born again to see the Kingdom of God.

That's all it states.

You stated:

"We are all born spiritually blind. We must be healed/regenerated FIRST of our blindness BEFORE we can see/understand and determine to follow Christ."

You're stating that we cannot seek God.

1. Please post some verses that support the reformed theory that generation comes before salvation.
Christianity believes that REGENERATION IS SALVATION.
So IOW, you believe one must be born again before he can be born again.

2. Please post some verses that state that we are unable to seek God.
Perhaps Romans 3:10 PLUS another one? (since Romans 3:10 does not support the theory that man cannot seek God).

After serious consideration, I must follow the admonition of Matt. 10:14.

 

[Johann!@#]

Sir,,,
Because you post something, does not make it true.

Please explain how your above verse states that regeneration comes before salvation.
Calvinists see calvinism everywhere they look.

Your above verse only states that only a born again person can see the Kingdom of God here on earth.
That's ALL it states.
Nothing about regeneration.
You are adding preconceived ideas to the scripture.

Do you believe a non Christian can see the Kingdom of God here on earth?
One must be born again to see the Kingdom of God.

That's all it states.

You stated:

"We are all born spiritually blind. We must be healed/regenerated FIRST of our blindness BEFORE we can see/understand and determine to follow Christ."

You're stating that we cannot seek God.

1. Please post some verses that support the reformed theory that generation comes before salvation.
Christianity believes that REGENERATION IS SALVATION.
So IOW, you believe one must be born again before he can be born again.

2. Please post some verses that state that we are unable to seek God.
Perhaps Romans 3:10 PLUS another one? (since Romans 3:10 does not support the theory that man cannot seek God).

Hi GodsGrace

How are you?

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi GodsGrace

How are you?

J.

Hi Johann...
Welcome to the Forum....
Nice to see you here.
GG

 

[Johann!@#]

Hi Johann...
Welcome to the Forum....
Nice to see you here.
GG

Likewise.

J.

 

[iconbusters]

those on the byways and highways accepted the invitation at their free will, including some who failed to dress up for the wedding because they didn't take it seriously, and for them, although they accepted the invitation, God didn't accept them, they were thrown out.

Please cite Scripture which confirms those who accepted it did so with their 'free will.' Also, please cite Scripture which explains the one wore inappropriate clothing was not a 'serious' wedding attendant.

It seems like you've taken a fatalistic Calvinist view, that everything is predetermined and there's no free will, forgive me for not buying it.

Scripture doesn't lie, no matter how much you dislike what it says. Here are a few examples:
Proverbs 16:20: In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.
Proverbs 21:1: The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Ephesians 1:5: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Ephesians 1:11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

Many are called, few are chosen.

How are the few chosen?

A relationship of love with God must be mutual, while God loves you, you must love God. If you love another idol and mistake it as God, like the Israelites with the golden calf, then the bond is broken.

But Paul, who cannot lie, promises that nothing can separate us from the love of God (Romans 8:35 ff.). He lists every possible obstacle and concludes they are not sufficient. God's love will prevail.

Infants die in a broken and sinful world which is the CONSEQUENCE of Adam's sin, that's not Adam's personal sin imputed on them.

Please cite Scripture to prove your thesis. My Bible states the wages of sin is death, All have sinned. The scope of these Scriptures, do not exclude anyone, including infants. Please prove, using Scripture as your authority, how infants die as a 'consequence' of Adam's sin, which excludes the imputation of guilt for his sin.

Your bible probably also states that God is love, he loves the world, he wishes all were saved, etc. Two sides of the same coin.

The several pages of my posts all deal with this topic. Not one person, including yourself, can give a biblical explanation how it is that God can love [every person in] the world, yet at the same time drown every person in the world, with the exception of 8 souls. Furthermore, God does not 'wish.' Only heathens wish for things. However, in examining 1 Tim. 2:4, many folks, such as yourself, have no problem with serving a God whose will to save all men is thwarted. "It's their fault; it's their free will decision; they sent themselves to Hell," is the typical response.

However, Scripture is insistent that Christ's mission was to "save His people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). No matter the Bible version, they all say the same thing: HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE. Scripture confirms this fact. Christ declares, I LOST NONE (John 17:12). His mission to save was and is 100% perfectly successful. Failure is not an attribute of God.

Many folks, such as yourself, believe Christ came to save those who willingly received Him, placing the determining factor of salvation upon the decision of the sinner. However, Ephesians 1, John 1:13 and Romans 8 & 9 (to name a few) all refute that theory. Nevertheless, many folks, such as yourself, refuse to believe the fact that it is God who determined the recipients of saving grace, not the sinner. Such a determination was done in eternity before the sinner was born. Scripture is quite clear about this (Romans 9:11 ff.).

Even a simple, clear verse such as "You didn't choose me, I chose you" is twisted by many folks, including
yourself, to extend only to Apostleship, when bearing fruit is the principle and rule for all Christians, not just the Apostles.

Actually God does condemn, but do you know HOW he condemns? Not sending them to hell, but giving them up to their own vile passions, to their own debased minds (Rom. 1:24-32), by which they sent themselves to hell, as I said.

Your explanation misses the crux of the matter: Those heathens sinned in carrying out their debased pleasures which incurred the guilt which demanded just punishment in Hell. All the above factors, such as, what constitutes sin, which then incurs guilt, which then demands a just punishment, has all been determined beforehand by God, as well as their just punishment in Hell for eternity.

 

[GodsGrace]

Please cite Scripture which confirms those who accepted it did so with their 'free will.' Also, please cite Scripture which explains the one wore inappropriate clothing was not a 'serious' wedding attendant.

Scripture doesn't lie, no matter how much you dislike what it says. Here are a few examples:
Proverbs 16:20: In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.
Proverbs 21:1: The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Ephesians 1:5: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Ephesians 1:11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

How are the few chosen?

But Paul, who cannot lie, promises that nothing can separate us from the love of God (Romans 8:35 ff.). He lists every possible obstacle and concludes they are not sufficient. God's love will prevail.

Please cite Scripture to prove your thesis. My Bible states the wages of sin is death, All have sinned. The scope of these Scriptures, do not exclude anyone, including infants. Please prove, using Scripture as your authority, how infants die as a 'consequence' of Adam's sin, which excludes the imputation of guilt for his sin.

The several pages of my posts all deal with this topic. Not one person, including yourself, can give a biblical explanation how it is that God can love [every person in] the world, yet at the same time drown every person in the world, with the exception of 8 souls. Furthermore, God does not 'wish.' Only heathens wish for things. However, in examining 1 Tim. 2:4, many folks, such as yourself, have no problem with serving a God whose will to save all men is thwarted. "It's their fault; it's their free will decision; they sent themselves to Hell," is the typical response.

However, Scripture is insistent that Christ's mission was to "save His people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). No matter the Bible version, they all say the same thing: HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE. Scripture confirms this fact. Christ declares, I LOST NONE (John 17:12). His mission to save was and is 100% perfectly successful. Failure is not an attribute of God.

Many folks, such as yourself, believe Christ came to save those who willingly received Him, placing the determining factor of salvation upon the decision of the sinner. However, Ephesians 1, John 1:13 and Romans 8 & 9 (to name a few) all refute that theory. Nevertheless, many folks, such as yourself, refuse to believe the fact that it is God who determined the recipients of saving grace, not the sinner. Such a determination was done in eternity before the sinner was born. Scripture is quite clear about this (Romans 9:11 ff.).

Even a simple, clear verse such as "You didn't choose me, I chose you" is twisted by many folks, including
yourself, to extend only to Apostleship, when bearing fruit is the principle and rule for all Christians, not just the Apostles.

Your explanation misses the crux of the matter: Those heathens sinned in carrying out their debased pleasures which incurred the guilt which demanded just punishment in Hell. All the above factors, such as, what constitutes sin, which then incurs guilt, which then demands a just punishment, has all been determined beforehand by God, as well as their just punishment in Hell for eternity.

Why do those heathens that sinned carrying out their debased pleasure incur the guilt which demanded justice....

If it was the very God that meeted out the justice who decreed, from the beginning of time, that those deeds be committed?

Your Confession claims God does not cause man to sin?
Can't have it both ways Icon.

God either decrees everything that will come to pass...
or
He does not.

The Calvinist God is not a just God.

 

[Johann!@#]

Why do those heathens that sinned carrying out their debased pleasure incur the guilt which demanded justice....

If it was the very God that meeted out the justice who decreed, from the beginning of time, that those deeds be committed?

Your Confession claims God does not cause man to sin?
Can't have it both ways Icon.

God either decrees everything that will come to pass...
or
He does not.

The Calvinist God is not a just God.

Excellent point--human volition is replete throughout Scripture; while certain isolated verses might appear to suggest hard determinism, many others assert precisely the opposite... this is what we call the paradoxical, tension-filled pairs that run consistently through Scripture, especially within the Pauline epistles.

Do yourself a favor and look up all the proof texts Calvinists use--that would be a good start.

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

Excellent point--human volition is replete throughout Scripture; while certain isolated verses might appear to suggest hard determinism, many others assert precisely the opposite... this is what we call the paradoxical, tension-filled pairs that run consistently through Scripture, especially within the Pauline epistles.

Do yourself a favor and look up all the proof texts Calvinists use--that would be a good start.

J.

I've been studying Calvinism for about 15 years J.
I don't think I need to look up anything.

There are NO verses in scripture that support reformed theology.
Scripture does not support a Calvinist God.....predestination of the saved...
total depravity...absence of free will....or any other Calvinist teaching.
It's a different gospel.

Sometimes the conflict in statements is so OBVIOUS that I cannot help pointing it out...
even without scripture....calvinism still fails just based on logic alone.

 

[Johann!@#]

I've been studying Calvinism for about 15 years J.
I don't think I need to look up anything.

There are NO verses in scripture that support reformed theology.
Scripture does not support a Calvinist God.....predestination of the saved...
total depravity...absence of free will....or any other Calvinist teaching.
It's a different gospel.

Sometimes the conflict in statements is so OBVIOUS that I cannot help pointing it out...
even without scripture....calvinism still fails just based on logic alone.

I understand..don’t want to get too entangled here; it’s only my second day, and so far things have been relatively peaceful... but for me, all hell usually breaks loose by the third day.

Shalom sorella.

J.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Please cite Scripture which confirms those who accepted it did so with their 'free will.' Also, please cite Scripture which explains the one wore inappropriate clothing was not a 'serious' wedding attendant.

Please cite Scripture which confirms those who accepted it were "predestined" regardless of free will. I don't know about others, but the Laodicean church is full of spiritually naked Christians without appropriate wedding garment, "lukewarm" seems to be a good antithesis to "serious".

Scripture doesn't lie, no matter how much you dislike what it says. Here are a few examples:
Proverbs 16:20: In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.
Proverbs 21:1: The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Ephesians 1:5: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
Ephesians 1:11: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.

Scripture doesn't, you do. Define "us" in Eph. 1:5 and "we" in Eph. 1:11 first, who's qualified and who's not? This letter was written to the Ephesian church, the same one Jesus threatened to remove their lampstand unless they repent, why is that? Weren't they supposed to be predestined heirs of the kingdom? Weren't they the very workmanship of God (Eph. 2:9) How come that they lost their first love?

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. (Rev. 2:5)

Also, to the same church, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." God speaks through the Spirit, listening and obeying or not is an individual choice, God didn't force anybody to listen and obey.

How are the few chosen?

Through the narrow gate.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matt. 7:13-14)

But Paul, who cannot lie, promises that nothing can separate us from the love of God (Romans 8:35 ff.). He lists every possible obstacle and concludes they are not sufficient. God's love will prevail.

Then how is the great apostasy possible? Why do many depart from the faith, even though "nothing can separate us from the love of God?" Why are they deceived, including the "elect"? Weren't they "predestined"? Or because their love has grown cold?

They will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. (Matt. 24:9-12)

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (1 Tim. 4:1-3)

Please cite Scripture to prove your thesis. My Bible states the wages of sin is death, All have sinned. The scope of these Scriptures, do not exclude anyone, including infants. Please prove, using Scripture as your authority, how infants die as a 'consequence' of Adam's sin, which excludes the imputation of guilt for his sin.

Please cite Scripture to prove that any infant ever sewed fig leaves to cover and made excuses to shift blame. My bible states each person is guilty and held accountable for their own guilt, not anybody else's. I clarified it in the very beginning that "Original Sin" means sin originated from Adam, it was a conscious choice, not an inheritant feature in his flesh which was made in the image of God; the wages, i.e. ultimate consequence, of sin is death, which has spread to all mankind, the whole world has become sinful and broken. "Imputation of guilt" is nothing but your preferred verbiage. You read "wages of sin" as "imputation of guilt", I simply read it as consequence of sin.

Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. (Jn. 9:1-3)

The several pages of my posts all deal with this topic. Not one person, including yourself, can give a biblical explanation how it is that God can love [every person in] the world, yet at the same time drown every person in the world, with the exception of 8 souls. Furthermore, God does not 'wish.' Only heathens wish for things. However, in examining 1 Tim. 2:4, many folks, such as yourself, have no problem with serving a God whose will to save all men is thwarted. "It's their fault; it's their free will decision; they sent themselves to Hell," is the typical response.

They were drowned because they were extremely violent, there was nothing in their hearts but wickedness that had even grieved God, the Flood was reset for the world and humanity. He drowned them for the same reason of scorching the worshippers of the Beast who have taken the mark. God definitely loves every person in the world, but only those who love Him as well will inherit eternal life, those who don't are condemned to love darkness rather than light.

 

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Your explanation misses the crux of the matter: Those heathens sinned in carrying out their debased pleasures which incurred the guilt which demanded just punishment in Hell. All the above factors, such as, what constitutes sin, which then incurs guilt, which then demands a just punishment, has all been determined beforehand by God, as well as their just punishment in Hell for eternity.

This is where you're wrong. With a debased mind, vile passions no longer incur any guilt in the heart, up is down, down is up; hell is heaven, heaven is hell; it wouldn't be "pleasure" if there's also the prick of guilt, and such a mind wouldn't be called "debased" if it still bears a conscience. Indeed, punishment in hell is determined beforehand, but that's for the unclean spirits, NOT the body or what you and most people think as "soul". In biblical definition, "soul" is a living being as the result of spirit breathed into the body, it's a status, NOT an entity; at death, the same spirit departs from the body, returns to God and receives judgement. Soul = Body + Spirit; Spirit = Soul - Body, that's the nature of life. The difference is, clean spirit, i.e. the breath of life, is breathed back into glorified bodies, unclean spirits are condemned to burn for eternity, that's the nature of the second death. The body, on the other hand, simply disintegrated into dust, the same treatment for everyone, regardless of salvific status.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being (soul, nephesh, psyche). (Gen. 2:7)
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return (Gen. 3:19)
“Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ” Having said this, He breathed His last. (Lk. 23:46)
They stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59)
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (Rev. 11:11)