Consider the Flood and Attributes of God

[Carry_Your_Name]

However, Scripture is insistent that Christ's mission was to "save His people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). No matter the Bible version, they all say the same thing: HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE. Scripture confirms this fact. Christ declares, I LOST NONE (John 17:12). His mission to save was and is 100% perfectly successful. Failure is not an attribute of God.

Many folks, such as yourself, believe Christ came to save those who willingly received Him, placing the determining factor of salvation upon the decision of the sinner. However, Ephesians 1, John 1:13 and Romans 8 & 9 (to name a few) all refute that theory. Nevertheless, many folks, such as yourself, refuse to believe the fact that it is God who determined the recipients of saving grace, not the sinner. Such a determination was done in eternity before the sinner was born. Scripture is quite clear about this (Romans 9:11 ff.).

Even a simple, clear verse such as "You didn't choose me, I chose you" is twisted by many folks, including
yourself, to extend only to Apostleship, when bearing fruit is the principle and rule for all Christians, not just the Apostles.

You know neither Christ's mission nor God's will. "His people" is a fixed number, of which none will be lost, this number was predestined, that's the "few"; who exactly make it into this few, however, was NOT predetermined, because God is NOT a respecter of person, he doesn't discriminate like you do. "Whosoever" believes will have eternal life, whosoever overcomes will be clothed in white garment, the proper wedding outfit, "believe" and "overcome" are of a determining factor. God loves all by inviting all to the wedding, that's how many are called; out of the many, however, only those who overcome are clothed in white garments, only they get to stay in the wedding, the fixed number is reached, no spare seat for anybody else, and no failure on God's part.

Rest assured that you and I read the same bible, in particular, the same parable of the wedding feast. Our difference is, you believe this whole invitation process was rigged, it was all a sham, the real guest list was predetermined; I believe it's an open and fair process, he had a predetermined amount of white garments, but not a predetermined guest list, the few are those who overcome, as the Lord himself said. To put it in other way, if God's people are the "elect", then it's a rigged election to you, while it's a fair election to me.

You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. (Rev. 3:4-5)
Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. (Rev. 6:11)

Your denial of self determining factor is unbiblical. Don't you know that Lord Jesus himself had a will of his own, which means, a free will that distinguishes him, God the Son from God the Father? Adam, by his self determining factor, rebelled against the Father; Jesus, by his self determining factor, yielded to the Father. Without free will, none of these would be possible.

And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”(Lk. 22:41-42)

 

[iconbusters]

God definitely loves every person in the world, but only those who love Him as well will inherit eternal life, those who don't are condemned to love darkness rather than light.

This is the very premise which I have opposed, using biblical and common-sense proofs, intended for those with "ears to hear." It is obvious you do not have "ears to hear," for rather than address my many requests for Scriptural proofs to substantiate your claims, you avoid that which you cannot prove by means of obfuscation, demanding I answer you first. Such interaction is not only pointless, but a waste of valuable time and energy.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This is the very premise which I have opposed, using biblical and common-sense proofs, intended for those with "ears to hear." It is obvious you do not have "ears to hear," for rather than address my many requests for Scriptural proofs to substantiate your claims, you avoid that which you cannot prove by means of obfuscation, demanding I answer you first. Such interaction is not only pointless, but a waste of valuable time and energy.

Don't you know that in Revelation 2-3 all seven churches were told, "he who has an ear, let him hear?" Which means not one time in the context of a message for one church, but seven times to all churches, throughout the church history? The fates for the seven churches were set, it's up to the individuals to respond to God's warnings. If that's not scriptural proof, man, I don't know what is. Perhaps you're only seeing what you wanna see through your Calvinistic lens.

 

[iconbusters]

It would be better for him if he had not been born, (Matt. 26:24; Matt. 14:21).

I direct this post to those who have not lost their powers to reason, whose minds are still open and not shut tighter than a 5th century Pelagian.

No one comes into this world without the Lord God Almighty's decree , Eccles. 3:2. Likewise, no one comes into this world without a purpose as decreed by God, Eccles. 3:1. Judas' purpose was to betray Christ, Luke 22:22; John 6:71. His purpose was prophesied in the Old Testament, Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12-13. Likewise, there were Jews whose purpose was to hand Christ over to the Romans for crucifixion, Acts 2:23.

Furthermore, David acknowledges that all the daily events of his life were ordained by God before he was born, Psalm 139:16. This is not particular to David alone, but to all men, Proverbs 16:9; Proverbs 19:21. Therefore, since God has determined all mankind's beginning, as well as the outcome of all their days, He must also have determined the outcome of all mankind's end. In fact, Scripture is quite clear that God knows the end from the beginning, Isaiah 46:10; Acts 15:18. He 'knows' the end because He declared it to be so.

Thus, Scripture declares the eternal destiny of each human has been predetermined and decreed by God before that human was born. Scripture gives a vivid example of Jacob's eternal destiny predetermined before he was born, Romans 9:11. Jacob was decreed to be a vessel of mercy, while Esau was determined to be a vessel of wrath.

This determination extends to all mankind, as we are the clay and God is the Potter. He has the right to make some of the same [sinful] lump of clay vessels of honor, while others are made vessels of dishonor, Romans 9:21.

With these scriptural truths laid as our foundation, we can affirm that God has always known the identities of all those doomed to perdition. Even the Lord Jesus admits it had been better not to be born than to experience eternal damnation. Yet despite this truth, there are many who profess to be Bible savvy Christians who swear God loves all mankind.

God definitely loves every person in the world

This must include even those He knew beforehand, whom He would bring into the world, whose end He knew would certainly be eternal torment. However, sadly, though He had the power to not bring them into the world, He did so with a definite purpose in mind: eternal punishment for their sins.

This is their Gospel of God's love. In the minds of many modern-day Pelagians, this is our holy God's love in action. He loved them while on earth and still loves them while being tortured in Hell.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Moderator's Note: Too much questioning of other people's character and intelligence in this thread, including by the OP.

Shutting it down.
Blessings,
Hidden