Controversial understanding about God's covenant with Abaraham

[John 8:32]

I know of the teaching that you have heard. The nuts and bolts of it is God was married to Israel.

Israel 45:5
For your Maker is your husband,
The Lord of hosts is His name;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel;
He is called the God of the whole earth.

At Mt. Sinai was when God made a covenant and married Israel.

Exodus 34:27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

But due to Israel's fornication and idolatry over many centuries, God finally had enough and divorced Israel.

Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

So on we go to Jeremiah 31 and God making a New Covenant with the House of Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31-32 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.

That's all great and dandy, Israel will finally proclaim the Lord as their king and we will live happily ever after. However, there was a problem. God cannot go against his own righteous laws and ordinances. He is bound to them, just as much as God when he was made flesh in Jesus to live a sinless life. So what couldn't God do?

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.

God could not remarry Israel again after he divorced them. That is why God could not remarry Israel again. One of them had to die, and we know it was Jesus who was sent to die for our sins, but to also renew the covenant he had made with Israel. Thus was the greatest love story ever told.

That's the cliff notes of the teaching I believe you are referring to.

Actually, that is very close. Christ will not break His own laws and therefore the marriage had to be dissolved by the death of one or the other. Christ died, thereby dissolving the marriage and freeing Him to marry the church.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

God never intended divorce, it was put into place by Moses because the people did not have God's Spirit and could not fully obey His laws from the heart...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The normal, natural mind cannot be subject to God's law.

carnal:

G4561
σάρξ
sarx
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).

From Bullingers...

Romans 8:7


carnal mind = minding of the flesh, as Rom_8:6.

enmity. Greek. echthra. Here, Luk_23:12. Gal_1:5, Gal_1:20. Eph_2:15, Eph_2:16. Jam_4:4.

against. App-104.

it is not subject to = does not submit itself to. Greek. hupotasso. See Rom_10:3.

neither. Greek. oude.

 

[Ryan]

Actually, that is very close. Christ will not break His own laws and therefore the marriage had to be dissolved by the death of one or the other. Christ died, thereby dissolving the marriage and freeing Him to marry the church.

According to the divorce laws, God was free to marry anyone else whom he pleased as he had just cause for divorcing Israel. So therefore, Jesus didn't have to die. But Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31 are clear he is entering into another covenant with Israel. So then he had to die to remarry them again.

With whom was the New Covenant made with? Israel or the church? Or are they one and the same?

If they are separate, where is the covenantal language and the parties involved for each one? Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is with Israel. Is there another covenant with the church that is hidden in the bible? If so, what are the terms and provisions of that covenant?

 

[John 8:32]

According to the divorce laws, God was free to marry anyone else whom he pleased as he had just cause for divorcing Israel. So therefore, Jesus didn't have to die. But Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31 are clear he is entering into another covenant with Israel. So then he had to die to remarry them again.

Was divorce ehat God desired?

Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

This is for cause Moses allowed divorce, but from the beginning it was not so.

With whom was the New Covenant made with? Israel or the church? Or are they one and the same?

The New Covenant will be established with Israel and Judah in the Millenium. They will be at once the nation and the church adn the gentiles will come to them for instruction...

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

If they are separate, where is the covenantal language and the parties involved for each one? Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is with Israel. Is there another covenant with the church that is hidden in the bible? If so, what are the terms and provisions of that covenant?

Is the New Covenant in full force today? No...

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

ready to vanish away and will vanish away at the return of Christ when He will establish the New Covenant with Israel and with Judah...

Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Israel and Judah will once again be joined together as one nation with David (who is dead and buried and in his tomb, see Acts 2:29-34) resurrected to be king over all Israel. The apostles will rule, each over one of the tribes...

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

With David as king over all.

There job will be to lead the gentiles into the truth and salvation.

 

[karikasery]

"A smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram" The smoking pot represented the Spirit of Abraham and the blazing torch represented God in Spirit. A physical Abraham could not walk with a physical God, so it was that Abraham was put into a deep sleep and the two spirits passed between the cut flesh to bind the covenant. One cannot make a covenant alone with oneself. God did not make the covenant with himslef. God made the Covenant with Abraham.

 

[karikasery]

Without the initial blood covenant between God and Abraham, which was broken, there would be no need for Jesus to be born as man and die, shedding his blood as a sacrifice to renew the broken covenant.
This was again a blood covenant and different from all the other covenants. God's purpose was to save man in spite of himself. Even after the second coming of Christ, the people of Israel, who had not believed until then and were still waiting for the King, and were not taken up were given another chance during the tribulation by means of the 144000 missionaries, through whom many of the Jews could accept the salvation by grace, believe and be saved. I believe the tribulation period was a period during which God gave the chance for the rest of Abrahams's children to be saved by grace. They were also saved through belief in the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus. God's concern for the people of the promise were so great!!

 

[Sinthesis]

According to the divorce laws, God was free to marry anyone else whom he pleased as he had just cause for divorcing Israel. So therefore, Jesus didn't have to die. But Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31 are clear he is entering into another covenant with Israel. So then he had to die to remarry them again.

With whom was the New Covenant made with? Israel or the church? Or are they one and the same?

If they are separate, where is the covenantal language and the parties involved for each one? Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is with Israel. Is there another covenant with the church that is hidden in the bible? If so, what are the terms and provisions of that covenant?

Strong's G1242 - diathēkē - is translated as both "covenant" and "testament".

Mat 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament1242, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar 14:24 - And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament1242, which is shed for many.

Luk 22:20 - Likewise also the cup after supper , saying , This cup [is] the new testament1242 in my blood, which is shed for you.​

 

[EdenBorn]

Christ did not replace the Law, it is explicitly stated in Scripture. However, his actions replaced everything outside the natural order. It may seem a bit too convenient, but it is nonetheless true. That is the beauty of the Lamb of God: the New Covenant is the Old Law transfigured into grace, which excludes sacrifice, abstaining from unclean food, etc.