Conversation With a Theistic Satanist

[Guest]

I've read the forum rules, and as far as I can tell, the following post does not violate the rules. If it does, moderators please move this post to the appropriate forum.

I am a theistic Satanist, meaning one who worships Satan as my Lord. I grew up Baptist, but developed a hatred for the Christian god early on. I would very much like to have some civil, informative conversation here between myself and those who worship the Christian god. I look forward to this conversation, and my promise to you is this: everything from my side will be respectful and genuinely inquisitive.

 

[archangel_300]

welcome to christian forums.
go ahead, what do you want to talk about?

 

[Guest]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

 

[Packrat]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

Pretty deep subject. I've read once that the Satanist creed is basically this: do unto others as they do unto you. That would be a paraphrased statement. If this be the case then one can see how that may work legally, but on a personal level we are taught a more progressive philosophy by God. This would not be necessarily one of the reasons why I am a Christian, but it may be a valid explanation as to why I remain one.

 

[archangel_300]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

At a very young age I felt drawn to trying to understand and know God if there was indeed a God out there. I first had to be convinced that God exists and this eventually came about as I studied the Bible carefully. Through careful study I became convinced that the Bible itself was divine in origin and not man made and I also realized that I was a sinner in need of a savior. I desire to serve God and be with Him forevermore not only in this life but in life after this one.

I'm not quite sure I understand your question "What is the real identitiy of our gods?"
The God I serve is the Almighty Holy God who created and rules over time and eternity.

 

[Mike]

Joining the discussion and hoping we're not being played. First, moderators can say, but I wonder about the posting of the website to a satanic "church". I don't intend to click on it, so it doesn't matter to me terribly, but worth mentioning.

I grew up Baptist, but developed a hatred for the Christian god early on.

In the interest of a little context and disclosure, can you give some more detail into the life you lead in the church, the reasons for your hatred of God and the reason for you change of purpose? If you're uncomfortable, I understand, but since you're asking the questions, perhaps you're not.

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

All very legitimate questions, I look forward to addressing, but it would help to hear your story first.

Welcome

 

[Guest]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

Pretty deep subject. I've read once that the Satanist creed is basically this: do unto others as they do unto you. That would be a paraphrased statement. If this be the case then one can see how that may work legally, but on a personal level we are taught a more progressive philosophy by God. This would not be necessarily one of the reasons why I am a Christian, but it may be a valid explanation as to why I remain one.

That certainly is a creed many of us follow, mainly because we see the "turn the other cheek" philosophy as self-defeating and suicidal (at least in a psychic sense, but even possibly in a physical sense). Selfishness is the foundation of most creeds of Satanism, especially of those Satanist sects that do not strive to become mainstream.

 

[Guest]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

At a very young age I felt drawn to trying to understand and know God if there was indeed a God out there. I first had to be convinced that God exists and this eventually came about as I studied the Bible carefully. Through careful study I became convinced that the Bible itself was divine in origin and not man made and I also realized that I was a sinner in need of a savior. I desire to serve God and be with Him forevermore not only in this life but in life after this one.

I'm not quite sure I understand your question "What is the real identitiy of our gods?"
The God I serve is the Almighty Holy God who created and rules over time and eternity.

We already agree on one thing (sooner than I thought): the Hebrew-Christian scriptures are indeed more than man-made. I am a traditional theistic Satanist, so I actually worship the Satan in the Bible, though I believe he gets a bad rap there. In my opinion, the "hero" god of the Hebrew-Christian scriptures is Satan, for He is the One who strives for the liberation of humanity (particularly in Genesis). I do not believe the Hebrew-Christian scriptures anywhere present an almighty god - but rather two main opposing gods: Yahweh and Satan. I have chosen Satan.

 

[Guest]

Joining the discussion and hoping we're not being played. First, moderators can say, but I wonder about the posting of the website to a satanic "church". I don't intend to click on it, so it doesn't matter to me terribly, but worth mentioning.

I grew up Baptist, but developed a hatred for the Christian god early on.

In the interest of a little context and disclosure, can you give some more detail into the life you lead in the church, the reasons for your hatred of God and the reason for you change of purpose? If you're uncomfortable, I understand, but since you're asking the questions, perhaps you're not.

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

All very legitimate questions, I look forward to addressing, but it would help to hear your story first.

Welcome

First, if the moderators wish to remove my link, I will not object. I am a guest here.

I grew up in the Free Will Baptist tradition, and graduated with a Bachelors from a Bible college in New Orleans. I tried for all of my adolescent and teenage years to believe that the Yahweh/Christ/Holy Spirit deity (or Trinity, if you prefer) was a loving, merciful god. The more I read of scripture, the less I was able to believe this. In fact, the serpent character of the opening two chapters of Genesis presented as the kind of god I was drawn to. Whereas Yahweh/Elohim wanted to limit human potential, I saw Satan as desiring unlimited human potential and freedom.

After getting divorced at the age of 23, I labeled myself as atheist for a few years, but I always knew there was a greater power beyond myself. I came to recognize this power as Satan, and have since worshiped Him.

 

[happyjoy]

What makes us choose our respective gods? Why have we chosen the paths we have chosen? What is really the identity of our gods? These seem to be good questions for starters. And I welcome any others.

At a very young age I felt drawn to trying to understand and know God if there was indeed a God out there. I first had to be convinced that God exists and this eventually came about as I studied the Bible carefully. Through careful study I became convinced that the Bible itself was divine in origin and not man made and I also realized that I was a sinner in need of a savior. I desire to serve God and be with Him forevermore not only in this life but in life after this one.

I'm not quite sure I understand your question "What is the real identitiy of our gods?"
The God I serve is the Almighty Holy God who created and rules over time and eternity.

We already agree on one thing (sooner than I thought): the Hebrew-Christian scriptures are indeed more than man-made. I am a traditional theistic Satanist, so I actually worship the Satan in the Bible, though I believe he gets a bad rap there. In my opinion, the "hero" god of the Hebrew-Christian scriptures is Satan, for He is the One who strives for the liberation of humanity (particularly in Genesis). I do not believe the Hebrew-Christian scriptures anywhere present an almighty god - but rather two main opposing gods: Yahweh and Satan. I have chosen Satan.

Do you believe the bible to be literally true?

 

[Packrat]

That certainly is a creed many of us follow, mainly because we see the "turn the other cheek" philosophy as self-defeating and suicidal (at least in a psychic sense, but even possibly in a physical sense). Selfishness is the foundation of most creeds of Satanism, especially of those Satanist sects that do not strive to become mainstream.

Unfortunately that Santanist creed is one many of us Christians follow as well, myself included at times. But I believe it to be wrong. Turning the other cheek in the sense that I understand it was not simply an act of submission but rather a teaching of seeking clever means to bring about an end to violence. For example, some explain the turning of the other cheek within the culture of the time to force the offender into a self-deprecating stance should he choose to strike you for a second time. There is a passage teaching about carrying a soldier's equipment for longer than the soldier asked you to carry it. Again, it is explained that within the culture of the time it was unlawful for a soldier to force anyone to carry his equipment beyond a certain distance. To offer to carry his equipment beyond that distance would put him in a difficult position and actually force him to take his equipment back from you. He may even think twice about forcing you to carry his equipment for him again since he knows he could be incriminating himself through his own inappropriate actions if you didn't give it back.

Again, Christ says not to sit in a seat of prominence. This is not simply an act of submission. He goes on to explain that if you seat yourself in a lowly position you may be asked to sit in a seat of honor. And if you seat yourself in the seat of honor then you may be humiliated in front of everyone by being asked to move. So submission for peaceful coexistence may be a strong theme in such teachings, but the main goal is not simply to submit.

By the way, I, too, was raised in a Baptist family. But I no longer consider myself to be of that particular denomination.

 

[Mike]

I realize you have several responses here, so I'm not sure if you have a hard time responding to each, or if you are rejecting my request for more information up front.

With a background of Christianity and knowledge of the Bible, it would appear that you are well aware of the answers to your questions from our perspective, i.e. who is God/who is Satan.

Do you have other books or scripture to draw from? No need to use them here, in fact I believe it's prohibited. Just asking what you use in your study.

(you answered my questions in the time it took to respond again - thank you)

 

[Guest]

[/quote]


Do you believe the bible to be literally true?[/quote]

For the most part, when it describes the actions and character of the gods, I do. That is a loaded question, though, since I do not see all of the history or science as literally true. And even in reference to the character of the deities, I see the descriptions more in general terms than specific terms.

 

[Guest]

I realize you have several responses here, so I'm not sure if you have a hard time responding to each, or if you are rejecting my request for more information up front.

With a background of Christianity and knowledge of the Bible, it would appear that you are well aware of the answers to your questions from our perspective, i.e. who is God/who is Satan.

Do you have other books or scripture to draw from? No need to use them here, in fact I believe it's prohibited. Just asking what you use in your study.

(you answered my questions in the time it took to respond again - thank you)

I apologize if I have not provided the information you asked for. If I miss something, please ask again.

I only draw from the Hebrew-Christian scriptures as far as sacred descriptions of Satan and Yahweh are concerned. I do know what most Christian think of Yahweh, though I cannot see how they think that with all the biblical evidence to the contrary (in my opinion).

 

[happyjoy]

Do you believe the bible to be literally true?[/quote]

For the most part, when it describes the actions and character of the gods, I do. That is a loaded question, though, since I do not see all of the history or science as literally true. And even in reference to the character of the deities, I see the descriptions more in general terms than specific terms.[/quote]


So your answer is no?

 

[Guest]

Do you believe the bible to be literally true?

For the most part, when it describes the actions and character of the gods, I do. That is a loaded question, though, since I do not see all of the history or science as literally true. And even in reference to the character of the deities, I see the descriptions more in general terms than specific terms.[/quote]


So your answer is no?[/quote]

Something a bit more nuanced than that.

 

[Mike]

Just so we understand each other here, it might be important to note that happyjoy is not a "biblical Christian". That isn't an insult here, happyjoy. I'm just saying you personally disagree with fundamental Christians on a lot of points.

You appear to have honest intentions, and will go with that until I see otherwise. In keeping with that, I believe an overall rule of this site is that you don't attempt to persuade Christians of false non-Christian doctrine. That might be a hard line for you to follow.

Although you obviously see a lot of conflict with the Christian God, there must be some degree of Love that you see in Him, even if it's outweighed by your perception of His intentions.

Was there a person, or group that counseled you in arriving at the conclusion that Satan has your best care in his purpose?

 

[archangel_300]

First, if the moderators wish to remove my link, I will not object. I am a guest here.

I grew up in the Free Will Baptist tradition, and graduated with a Bachelors from a Bible college in New Orleans. I tried for all of my adolescent and teenage years to believe that the Yahweh/Christ/Holy Spirit deity (or Trinity, if you prefer) was a loving, merciful god. The more I read of scripture, the less I was able to believe this. In fact, the serpent character of the opening two chapters of Genesis presented as the kind of god I was drawn to. Whereas Yahweh/Elohim wanted to limit human potential, I saw Satan as desiring unlimited human potential and freedom.

After getting divorced at the age of 23, I labeled myself as atheist for a few years, but I always knew there was a greater power beyond myself. I came to recognize this power as Satan, and have since worshiped Him.

That's the thing that confuses me.
If you say you went to atheism and then believed in a greater power do you really believe the Bible is divine in origin? I used to grow up being taught that the Bible is God's word and I really tried to believe but something just didn't do it for me until I saw this for myself. When I came to believe the Bible was divine in origin there is now no way I can go back to unbelief now and in the future. It's completely impossible...

 

[Mike]

Just so we understand each other here, it might be important to note that happyjoy is not a "biblical Christian". That isn't an insult here, happyjoy. I'm just saying you personally disagree with fundamental Christians on a lot of points.

You appear to have honest intentions, and will go with that until I see otherwise. In keeping with that, I believe an overall rule of this site is that you don't attempt to persuade Christians of false non-Christian doctrine. That might be a hard line for you to follow.

Although you obviously see a lot of conflict with the Christian God, there must be some degree of Love that you see in Him, even if it's outweighed by your perception of His intentions.

Was there a person, or group that counseled you in arriving at the conclusion that Satan has your best care in his purpose?

Adding to my thoughts, "if" Satan is an equal god to our God, and since you believe the Bible is authentic (correct me if I'm wrong), it would seem that he would make his own revelation known through word to defend him. Because I fail to see where you would draw the conclusion that he has your best interest at heart, given what we know of him in scripture. To put your hope in him on the basis that he persuades us to follow him in order to be like God, seems like a wild gamble with eternity.

 

[happyjoy]

Something a bit more nuanced than that.

According to the bible Satan loses. Why cheer for the loosing team?