Coronavirus Pandemic, why does God allow it

[Truthfrees]

God allows men to die ,we can't add to your lives ,health ,nor wealth if God doesn't want us.

Di you really want a history lesson on,what my,state was before 1920s,really the 50s?

Its a thread on its self .

i'd love to hear what God has done for you - i find all God stories deeply inspiring

i see we disagree on this issue - no problem - i've walked a tough life and Genesis 1:26 was one truth that brought me out of misery - it works for me

if you have walked a different path based on different bible truths i will always want to hear about what how and why you believe what you do - God works with us as unique individuals

if you do start a thread alert me - i'm interested in hearing what you have to say

 

[jasonc]

i'd love to hear what God has done for you - i find all God stories deeply inspiring

i see we disagree on this issue - no problem - i've walked a tough life and Genesis 1:26 was one truth that brought me out of misery - it works for me

if you have walked a different path based on different bible truths i will always want to hear about what how and why you believe what you do - God works with us as unique individuals

if you do start a thread alert me - i'm interested in hearing what you have to say

you may since it will have some of it. read and while it wont have photos, you will learn somethings about where I live. the photos aren't there.many i still have. the first page I do. that was on the route then called condos, big houses, sea oak route. I still go there . in my photos a story of old florida will be mentioned. some might be from 50s, or as far back as the late 1890s.

Route pics

AirDancer

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i mention old florida as it was very wild, dangerous and alluring but not for the weak or timid, one could die simply fishing, it was said by a man who I thought about today, .mr kitching, if you don't believe in God, come sail the river(speaking of indian river) you will soon. it was that dangerous. we have tamed that. in the process of taming malaria, yellow fever and all manner of dirges we also destroyed the natural beauty of florida and when the ecologists mention nature its really not about restoring at it was but making this artificial paradise. I am not for pollution I mention this to show how imperfect we subdue, I really don't think God meant for us to force animals to roam our streets and we euthanize them and also other things we have done. whole forests were deforested. Cyprus trees bigger then the hwy, I drive in girth, cut down. cat facing pine for terpentine. , whole pine tree forests decimated. swamps drain.

 

[OzSpen]

What is the answer for Christians as they see the death and destruction spreading around the world. As looks like this is going to be repeated in the fall, it will become the new normal...

"The Coronavirus Will Return In The Fall...

Topline: Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a White House press briefing Monday he anticipates the coronavirus will come back in another wave later this year—but added the U.S. will be much better prepared to deal with another outbreak, if it happens, in the fall.

• Medical experts have been warning the coronavirus could be cyclical, meaning it could come back in the fall even if its spread is halted in the next few months.
• Fauci said he “anticipates” such an event happening in the U.S. “because of the degree of transmissibility” and the fact that countries in the Southern Hemisphere are seeing more cases as they transition into their winter season.
• He added an outbreak in the fall would be a “totally different ballgame” because the country’s increased ability to test, identify and isolate those who are infected will be “orders of magnitude better than what it was just a couple of months ago.”
• Clinical trials are also underway for a number of treatments and Fauci hopes one or more of them will be available
• Fauci also raised the possibility of a vaccine being available next season under an emergency use “if we start seeing an efficacy signal” in any one of the multiple candidate vaccines.
• Other medical experts have warned that if there is a dip in cases during the summer months, the U.S. needs to stock up on ventilators and other supplies to handle another wave."...The Coronavirus Will Return In The Fall, Fauci Predicts, But The U.S. Will Be Better Prepared

reddogs,

Who or what brought sin into the world?

Would one of the consequences of sin in the universe mean that plants, animals, insects and other life experience disease?

Would that sin cause disease to infect the human race with its many variegated manifestations?

Could these be examples of the disease infecting humanity: COVID-19, the Black Death - Bubonic Plague (AD 1346-1353) when 75-200 million died, HIV/AIDS, the flu of 1968 that killed a million people, etc?

We live in a fallen world where sin of many colours infests us. 'But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness' (2 Pet 3:13 NLT).

Oz

 

[reddogs]

When I ask God "why"? he always answers either "it is too complicated" or "more shall be revealed."

History shows us that what may seem like Satan is sometimes God rearranging things through trial and tribulation. I don't know why, but Jeff gave me an idea when he said "God has chosen to perfect us through pain and suffering."

I actually stopped asking why in 1982 because it became obvious that there was an historical pattern of trials here on earth that always ended with a transformation.

When Christ died on the cross that was the beginning of a great transformation. When we lose our job or our apartment that is always the beginning of a great transformation.

My own personal story and the story of others authenticates that things like pandemics are just a means to an end for God. Therefore we must look at the bright side even it is only the size of a mustard seed.

I find the path to peace is through acceptance of life on life's terms. The terms are simples according to David Richo:

We are ultimately alone
Life is about change
Life is suffering
Life is unfair

I think David Richo was wrong about being alone. We have God and each other.

So to answer your question of why God is doing this to us, the answer is that it is part of being perfected.

My own personal view is that God is giving us a wakeup call with regard to materialism. He is taking away a lot from people so they will hopefully get their priorities straight. The homeless problem is out of control and they are now being given rooms in a hotel. Good people are stepping out into the light and sharing what they have.

This is all just my opinion . . .

How would you read this....
Psalm 78:49-51 King James Version (KJV)
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

 

[OzSpen]

How would you read this....
Psalm 78:49-51 King James Version (KJV)
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

reddogs,

That is what happens when you pluck 3 verses out of context. This is what the Psalmist wrote in the immediate context:

He showed the Egyptians his anger.
He sent his destroying angels against them.
50 He found a way to show his anger.
He did not spare their lives.
He let them die with a deadly disease.
51 He killed all the firstborn sons in Egypt.
He killed every firstborn in Ham’s[a] family.
52 Then he led Israel like a shepherd.
He led his people like sheep into the desert.
53 He guided them safely.
They had nothing to fear.
He drowned their enemies in the sea.
54 He led his people to his holy land,
to the mountain he took with his own power.
55 He forced the other nations out before them
and gave each family its share of the land.
He gave each tribe of Israel a place to live (ERV)

God was dealing with a particular situation for the Israelites.

Oz

 

[reddogs]

reddogs,

That is what happens when you pluck 3 verses out of context. This is what the Psalmist wrote in the immediate context:

He showed the Egyptians his anger.
He sent his destroying angels against them.
50 He found a way to show his anger.
He did not spare their lives.
He let them die with a deadly disease.
51 He killed all the firstborn sons in Egypt.
He killed every firstborn in Ham’s[a] family.
52 Then he led Israel like a shepherd.
He led his people like sheep into the desert.
53 He guided them safely.
They had nothing to fear.
He drowned their enemies in the sea.
54 He led his people to his holy land,
to the mountain he took with his own power.
55 He forced the other nations out before them
and gave each family its share of the land.
He gave each tribe of Israel a place to live (ERV)

God was dealing with a particular situation for the Israelites.

Oz

Anyway you slice it, you see what is the origin....

 

[Edward]

The answer is as always "Jesus".

What other answer do you want? Drink, drugs sorry they are never the answer.

No, they are never the answer. But I do have it on good authority that...Alcohol is a solution! (A chemical solution, lol!)

I heard a different answer about why does God allow such things to happen than the others mentioned. Because...it will take many to the brink and consequently, they will turn to Him...!! So the harvest will be increased.

 

[jerry63935]

God is using this to get our attention

 

[OzSpen]

Anyway you slice it, you see what is the origin....

reddogs,

I read Ps 48:49-51 (NIV) according to the meaning of the original author. His intent was to address the nation of Israel, remind them of their delivery and looking forward to Canaan.

It does not relate to COVID-19. We can trace that back to the actions recorded in Gen 3.

Oz

Oz

 

[reddogs]

reddogs,

I read Ps 48:49-51 (NIV) according to the meaning of the original author. His intent was to address the nation of Israel, remind them of their delivery and looking forward to Canaan.

It does not relate to COVID-19. We can trace that back to the actions recorded in Gen 3.

Oz

Oz

Yes, but the source of the evil as it makes plain, is the importance of the verse.

 

[reddogs]

We just got a very troubling call, and the people of my wife's neighborhood off Jamaica Bay NY, (its basically a island where everyone knows everyone), decided they were going to hold the St. Patrick's day celebrations. Now, those that went to it are getting sick, and some have died already. We just went there in Feb and now are checking the friends and family we just saw....

 

[Who Me]

No, they are never the answer. But I do have it on good authority that...Alcohol is a solution! (A chemical solution, lol!)

I heard a different answer about why does God allow such things to happen than the others mentioned. Because...it will take many to the brink and consequently, they will turn to Him...!! So the harvest will be increased.

Only if we are doing our job and gossiping the gospel.

 

[Dave Watchman]

God is using this to get our attention

This is what I think it is.

Covid will mutate and continue in waves killing more with each wave. Every time we try to restart the economy, there will be new outbreaks.

I was the guy with the asteroid theory even before this started.

In 2017 I was telling people on another Christian forum that something apocalyptic had to become evident by January 2020 specifically. If something didn't begin, or become evident in the full view of men, by January 2020, I'd be out of ammo.

It's to do with the 62 and 7 weeks from Daniel 9 having both a primary and a secondary application. Isaac Newton was talking about it. There were also two MODERN day decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem in both 1535 AND January 1969. It is impossible for these to have been random chance or coincidental. They were punctuated by the "darkened sun.

From the Abomination, until the "darkened sun and moon not giving it's light, there were exactly 1290 days. That would be tough to fake. Even by a dragon empowered composite beast.

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Then a half a hora of silence, the year of the Lord's favor. The "darkened sun marked the end of the modern day application of the 62 and seven weeks. It's the equivalent to where Jesus read from the Isaiah Scroll in the Temple of 27AD, after the completion of the original 62 and 7 weeks.

A bit weird, or coincidental, that they would declare again the release of the prison inmates, a release of the "captives".

But if I am right about this, if this super virus IS just ONE of the signs that the Dragon is given the power to do by God on behalf of, or in the presence of, the composite beast, the other "sign" is the fire that he will CAUSE to fall from heaven in the full view of men.

Without warning, the Dragon will destroy many. Sudden destruction and they will not escape.

I don't KNOW that it will be an actual asteroid.

If I am right, this virus is intended to get us indoors, or back to our homes.

"Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the wrath has passed. - Isaiah 26:20​

Because the next sign is fire falling from heaven. Because it's from God, I expect it to be directed, to specific people and specific places.

Two people might be working in a field, one will be taken, one will be left. Two people might even be in the same bed, one will be taken, the other left alive.

When the wold's survivors see the surgical strike that has taken place from this, they will know that the God of the Bible is back.

What I think we are seeing now with this Covid plaque are the beginning of the signs that will prove to be the catalyst for the Biblical end time narrative. In the full view of mankind.

The Son of man will be revealed from Luke 17, just like on the very day that Lot left out from Sodom. When fire, when God's wrath, fell from heaven.

I would expect at that time the Pope will finally get involved and do a speech.

What he says for us to do will be the image of the beast that was wounded by the sword in 1798, and yet now lives.

This will amount to the mark of the beast.

And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of men.​

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Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.​

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So that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. - Revelation 13​

It is BECAUSE of these signs. These signs are the catalyst. Without the signs, it just wouldn't work for him.

When people are saying: "peace and safety", ...

"Stay safe.

On a Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Susannah]

God this is allowing this to happen to transform us from material people too people whose priority is God. This is a wake-up call. It is badly needed.

 

[Dave Watchman]

God this is allowing this to happen to transform us from material people too people whose priority is God. This is a wake-up call. It is badly needed.

I agree.

We are clothed with sackcloth.

Where I live, the hardware stores are closed.

Most are wearing homemade masks at the grocery stores.

Thoughts for me are not on getting the motorbike or the pool started or gazebos, just the items needed for immediate survival.

 

[Susannah]

I sponsor an orphanage in Kenya. $50 will feed the entire orphanage for a week. This has put everything in perspective for me. They don't have anything. I send what I can for food. But they're all happy. They go to church. They celebrate Christ. They love the Holy Spirit. This Village puts me to shame. Feed the Children Link

 

[BlessedCreator]

I believe the virus is %100 fake. I believe it's a tool being used to further Satan's end time plans to establish a global government/totalitarian dictatorship that will crown the coming Antichrist as its king.

 

[Who Me]

I believe the virus is %100 fake. I believe it's a tool being used to further Satan's end time plans to establish a global government/totalitarian dictatorship that will crown the coming Antichrist as its king.

A belief that is 100% wrong.

People are dying, governments are spending money like water and have closed down countries and people are guliable enough to belief it is fake.

Would that they would grow into maturity.

Don't they realise the world is not Christian. That governments are influenced by there master the devil. Oh he'll make it far worse and far worse for Christians when Spiritual maturity will be needed.

 

[Susannah]

Amen

 

[Serving Zion]

A belief that is 100% wrong.

I'd say 18% wrong and the remainder speculative. There certainly is a real threat of the shift of wealth, incurring indebtedness of the tax payers to the banks who finance the governments through the financial problems. Inevitably, owed to the fraudulent nature of fractional reserve banking, the financial system will be overwhelmed and unable to sustain growth, thus requiring a new financial system.