Could Christ have theoretically failed His mission?

[Soma-Sight]

Could Christ have theoretically failed His mission?

Is it even possible that Christ could have sinned or fallen short?

If No.... Than the whole life of Christ seems to be nothing more than a Divine Charade duping believers and non believers alike into thinking that God could possibly suffer metally or physically for mans sake.....

For if Christ couldnt fail His mission and He KNOWS He cannot fail His mission....

Where is the struggle?
What is the point?
What is God trying to prove to us?

Because if He couldnt fail it is nothing more than a deterministic event with no real heart behind it.

If Yes.... We should appreciate that Cross and the mission to an even greater extent..... For God put His own Sovereign authority on the line for the sake of man...

All the temptations, trials, and persecution that Christ endured had MERIT because failure was possible....

How much more does it mean to you if you realize God put His whole universe on the line for you?

 

[Rick W]

The whole point is that God was willing to suffer in the flesh as we do, to display an ultimate compassion for man, His love for all of mankind. Hebrews speaks of this at length of Christ as the high priest having no beginning or end. To understand that one must also understand the workings within the temple.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

[GundamZero]

Alright, lets take it one step at a time.

Sinning is falling short of the glory of God or failing to do the will of God.
So your first answer is a no.

Anytime you accomplish something difficult, doesn't it take something away from you. You saved someone's life, you may have injured yourself doing so. You have suffered even though you accomplished the task.

Christ was fully man. He went through all the temptations and trials, and, to say the least, all the limitations of the flesh that we go through. He got hungry. He needed to sleep. If you cut him, be would bleed. And if you crucified him, he died. Completing something successfully has absotluely nothing to do with how much you suffered to do so. If you felt rejected, it would bring you great mental anguish, whether or not you did anything to deserve it.

1. The struggle is facing temptations that only God would be faced with. Like calling down sixty-thousand angels to destroy the world instead of being crucified and paying for the sins of people who, in two thousand years, question the calvary of Calvary.

2. The point is that for your sake it had to be done. But God could have said " Forget about it." And would have been totally justified, because it was our choice to leave him in the first place. But instead he came not to be served his dues but to serve. The point is he gave us grace that we don't deserve and love that we can't recipricate in the least.

3. "But God proves his Love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
All the temptations, trials, persecutions MERIT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT. HE DIDN'T RISK DYING ON THE CROSS, HE CAME TO EARTH KNOWING FULL WELL THAT HE WOULD SUFFER THE WORST TRIAL, PERECUTION, AND TEMPTATION, WORSE THAN ANYONE COULD IMAGINE AND ONE NO HUMAN COULD BEAR, AT ALL, EVER.


HOW MUCH MORE DOES IT MEAN TO YOU TO KNOW THAT HE LEFT NOTHING TO CHANCE TO SAVE YOU?

 

[Soma-Sight]

So your first answer is a no.

So lets be quite honest about this.....

Basically what you are saying is God beat the Hell out of Himself (no pun intended) to save us.... His physical body "died" but He really didnt die because if that happened the universe would cease to exist.... (Plus how could He resurrect Himself?)

He couldnt actually fail, so basically the whole life of Christ was an "experience" of the Godhead to see what is literally going on down here and in the process experiencing death so we could live.....????

To me it is like taking a knife and cutting myself up in order to spare someone else that same fate because I woulndt die and they would.....

That is how I see it anyways....

 

[lovely]

The answer is simply, no.

The whole point was that He was a substitute for us, and paid the wages of Sin. Through one man sin entered the world, and this caused separation from God. Christ's ministry was reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5 Read this.


Soma wrote:

so basically the whole life of Christ was an "experience" of the Godhead to see what is literally going on down here and in the process experiencing death so we could live.....????

See my anology in the other thread, Soma. I think it is more like that. The criminal get's mercy, and forgiveness, and is reconciled once again to God, and life...through the spilling of the precious, holy, blood of His Son. He died to bring us life, not for some ridiculous experience. He will not go against His nature, and part of that nature is love, and mercy. Love made a way, and it is though the ark, the Son, the Truth. This is a love. This love is manifested in our restoration, our undeserved reward, our seal that makes us sons, and daughters, and much more than we can ever really conceive, or fully speak. The Bible explains it, and tells you who God is. Seek Him. The Lord bless you.

 

[Rick W]

HOW MUCH MORE DOES IT MEAN TO YOU TO KNOW THAT HE LEFT NOTHING TO CHANCE TO SAVE YOU?

Save me?
What about you?

 

[Solo]

No. Jesus Christ could not fail in his mission; no theoretically about it. That is why once a person is born again in Jesus Christ, he/she will always be born again in Jesus Christ, never to return to condemnation.

 

[cubedbee]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

My Bible also tells me that Jesus did not sin, unlike any other man who ever lived,. It tells me just as sin and death were imputed to all men through a single imperfect man named Adam, so righteousness is imputed to all men who accept it through the perfect life of the man Jesus.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

Exactly....

If Christ could not have failed it is all just a Charade.....

Here is how I see a dialogue between Satan and God...

Satan: Yo wassup God, What you gonna do now that I am the prince of the earth.... Sure you could be a big bully and fry me and my posse out of existance in an instant...

I know that...
You know that.....
But what is the Universe gonna think about you then?

I tell you what they will all think....

That you are a TYRANT! Nothing more than a bully with a LAW that is impossible to follow.

God: Hey why you gotta come at me like that? I give you a perfect existance and this is how you thank me? Tricking my humans to disobey me with false promises?

Satan: Thats right hommie.... What you gonna do about it? Huh? Come on and fry me and show the universe your true Nature.

You are not FAIR!

God: Listen up....

I am gonna not only beat you..... I will beat you as a human....

In fact I will become a man... With the possibility of being a hypocrite and failing to follow my own LAW.

I will show the universe that my LAW can be followed and it is Truth.

I will manifest myself into a humble human form and give you a shot at defeating me as I will not have all my galatic - awesome superpowers to smote your red butt....

In fact I wont even bring my homeboy Angels to take you and your sorry gang down......

Satan: Its on then! I will defeat you just like I have every other man.....

I Trust you will actually be a man and have the possibility of losing this game so lets get it on!!!!!

God: Bring it demon boy.......

Of course you wont find this in the Bible word for word but I sure could see it going down like that.....

 

[Solo]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

My Bible also tells me that Jesus did not sin, unlike any other man who ever lived,. It tells me just as sin and death were imputed to all men through a single imperfect man named Adam, so righteousness is imputed to all men who accept it through the perfect life of the man Jesus.

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

 

[Soma-Sight]

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Well Jesus was not a man then....

 

[Solo]

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Well Jesus was not a man then....

Then you are deceived.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Then you are deceived.

Solo,

OK, I will concede that Christ did not have a sin nature...

But who else did not have a sin nature and still sinned?????

Adam and Eve!!!

If Jesus just came down here and had no chance of failure than He had no Free Choice....

His utilization of scritpural Truth, spiritual diciplines such as fasting, prayer, meditation... etc are what allowed Him to overcome temptation.....

Jesus was not just a lazy loaf that walked around not using His resources and still wins!!!

He had to try hard to win!

He sweat blood!

Thats real effort and real temptation!

You cannot be tempted if the possibility of failure is not present.

 

[Solo]

Then you are deceived.

Solo,

OK, I will concede that Christ did not have a sin nature...

But who else did not have a sin nature and still sinned?????

Adam and Eve!!!

If Jesus just came down here and had no chance of failure than He had no Free Choice....

His utilization of scritpural Truth, spiritual diciplines such as fasting, prayer, meditation... etc are what allowed Him to overcome temptation.....

Jesus was not just a lazy loaf that walked around not using His resources and still wins!!!

He had to try hard to win!

He sweat blood!

Thats real effort and real temptation!

You cannot be tempted if the possibility of failure is not present.

Jesus is fully God and cannot sin. Jesus was fully man without sin.

Adam and Eve were not God and could sin. Adam and Eve were fully man until they sinned.

Adam and Eve could sin as created humans.
Jesus could not sin as God.

Can God sin?
No.

 

[cubedbee]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

My Bible also tells me that Jesus did not sin, unlike any other man who ever lived,. It tells me just as sin and death were imputed to all men through a single imperfect man named Adam, so righteousness is imputed to all men who accept it through the perfect life of the man Jesus.

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

I am born of God, and I still have the free will to sin. I believe that you are also born of God, and I think that you have to admit that you too have free will to sin. I dont' think "cannot sin" in this verse means what you think it does.

 

[cubedbee]

Can God sin?
No.

Can God be killed?
No.

Can Jesus be killed?
Yes.

So, clearly the answer to "Can God" and "Can Jesus" do not have to be the same.

 

[Solo]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

My Bible also tells me that Jesus did not sin, unlike any other man who ever lived,. It tells me just as sin and death were imputed to all men through a single imperfect man named Adam, so righteousness is imputed to all men who accept it through the perfect life of the man Jesus.

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

I am born of God, and I still have the free will to sin. I believe that you are also born of God, and I think that you have to admit that you too have free will to sin. I dont' think "cannot sin" in this verse means what you think it does.

Jesus is God and cannot sin, He was the firstborn of those who were created into the new creature. We who are born of God are a new creature which cannot sin while we war with the sinful flesh which is sold under sin. We are told to crucify the flesh and walk in the Spirit so that we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If we walk in the flesh we sin, if we walk in the Spirit we cannot sin.

I fully understand the verse of scripture and its relation to those that are born of God.

 

[Solo]

Can God sin?
No.

Can God be killed?
No.

Can Jesus be killed?
Yes.

So, clearly the answer to "Can God" and "Can Jesus" do not have to be the same.

Jesus the man could be killed.
Jesus, God could not be killed.

 

[cubedbee]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

My Bible also tells me that Jesus did not sin, unlike any other man who ever lived,. It tells me just as sin and death were imputed to all men through a single imperfect man named Adam, so righteousness is imputed to all men who accept it through the perfect life of the man Jesus.

The Word of God says that whoever is born of God does not sin and cannot sin. Jesus could not sin and did not sin and did not inherit the sin nature.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

I am born of God, and I still have the free will to sin. I believe that you are also born of God, and I think that you have to admit that you too have free will to sin. I dont' think "cannot sin" in this verse means what you think it does.

Jesus is God and cannot sin. He was the firstborn of those who were created into the new creature. We who are born of God are a new creature which cannot sin while we war with the sinful flesh which is sold under sin. We are told to crucify the flesh and walk in the Spirit so that we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If we walk in the flesh we sin, if we walk in the Spirit we cannot sin.

I fully understand the verse of scripture and its relation to those that are born of God.

Jesus is God and could have sinned. He was a man, flesh and blood, having the same temptations of the flesh that we do. Just as we constantly make the free will choice whether to walk in the flesh and sin or walk in the Spirit and be perfect, so Jesus did. He could have chosen to walk in the flesh, he could have failed and sinned like all other men, but he did not, and that is why his life was a redeeming sacrifice for the whole world.

 

[cubedbee]

Can God sin?
No.

Can God be killed?
No.

Can Jesus be killed?
Yes.

So, clearly the answer to "Can God" and "Can Jesus" do not have to be the same.

Jesus the man could be killed.
Jesus, God could not be killed.

Jesus is not two separate beings--he is one. The man-God Jesus was killed and the man-God Jesus could have sinned.