Could Christ have theoretically failed His mission?

[Solo]

Can God sin?
No.

Can God be killed?
No.

Can Jesus be killed?
Yes.

So, clearly the answer to "Can God" and "Can Jesus" do not have to be the same.

Jesus the man could be killed.
Jesus, God could not be killed.

Jesus is not two separate beings--he is one. The man-God Jesus was killed and the man-God Jesus could have sinned.

Perhaps you could explain your belief with the antithesis of the verse that I quoted:

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Also you could explain the born of God process by which believers become the new creature, and explain the new creature. Does the new creature sin?

 

[ArtGuy]

Can God sin?
No.

If God quite literally can't sin, then God is not omnipotent. He can do whatever the heck he wants. He chooses not to sin because he is God, and in addition to being infinitely powerful, he is also infinitely good.

 

[mutzrein]

1 Cor 2:6-8

We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

There is much that is hidden from those who have the wisdom of this age.

 

[Soma-Sight]

If God quite literally can't sin, then God is not omnipotent. He can do whatever the heck he wants. He chooses not to sin because he is God, and in addition to being infinitely powerful, he is also infinitely good.

Ooohhh nice....

Now we have on ontological reason to favor the fact that Gad can do WHATEVER He wills.....

 

[Solo]

Can God sin?
No.

If God quite literally can't sin, then God is not omnipotent. He can do whatever the heck he wants. He chooses not to sin because he is God, and in addition to being infinitely powerful, he is also infinitely good.

God does not lie, but man has a propensity to be deluded and false in his comprehension of God's Word. It isn't too difficult to read God's Word and understand that God's righteousness and character do not allow him to sin. The father of lies is satan and he has a multitude of children on this earth that will follow him to the lake of fire because of their rejection of God's Word.

God's Word says that all who are born of God cannot sin. God cannot sin.

 

[Soma-Sight]

God's Word says that all who are born of God cannot sin. God cannot sin.

Well someday we will get the answer to this I am sure....

But just remember that Adam and Eve were born of God and sinned....

Plus the Garden of Gethsemane doesnt seem to be a "placebo effect" in regards to Christ just saying (forget this, beem me up Scotty....)

The Garden to me symbolized a real battle, not a play act.

 

[Solo]

1 Cor 2:6-8

We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

There is much that is hidden from those who have the wisdom of this age.

1 Corinthians 2:1-16

However, among the mature we do speak a wisdom, but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. On the contrary, we speak God's hidden wisdom in a mystery, which God predestined before the ages for our glory.

None of the rulers of this age knew it, for if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: What no eye has seen and no ear has heard, and what has never come into a man's heart, is what God has prepared for those who love Him. Now God has revealed them to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the concerns of a man except the spirit of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knows the concerns of God except the Spirit of God.

Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, in order to know what has been freely given to us by God. We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. But the natural man does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to know it since it is evaluated spiritually. The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone.

For: who has known the Lord's mind, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.


There is much revealed to those that have the Holy Spirit of God in this age, for we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Solo]

God's Word says that all who are born of God cannot sin. God cannot sin.

Well someday we will get the answer to this I am sure....

But just remember that Adam and Eve were born of God and sinned....

Plus the Garden of Gethsemane doesnt seem to be a "placebo effect" in regards to Christ just saying (forget this, beem me up Scotty....)

The Garden to me symbolized a real battle, not a play act.

Adam and Eve were not born of God. God created them. They were able to sin as they were not divine. Adam and Eve were not Gods.

Jesus was fully man, minus the sin. Jesus was born of God, and Jesus is God, and cannot sin.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Jesus was fully man, minus the sin. Jesus was born of God, and Jesus is God, and cannot sin.

Fair enough...

You have some valid points and I believe the other argument does as well...

Viewing Christ as "unable" to sin kinda puts Him in the Ultra Superman category and I can see that point of view for sure....

Of course viewing Him as actually putting it all on the line for man is crazy to think about as well.

It is a good question to meditate on in prayer and while driving to work! lol. 8-)

 

[Lewis]

For if Christ couldnt fail His mission and He KNOWS He cannot fail His mission....

Where is the struggle?
What is the point?
What is God trying to prove to us?

Soma Christ was wrapped in human flesh, and believe me, He struggled, that flesh was trying to overtake Him, like it does all of us. But He fought back with the Word of the Father, and He did not fail. But at certain times things were not easy for Him, but He fought on, through fasting and prayer. Praying to the father without ceasing.

 

[ArtGuy]

Can God sin?
No.

If God quite literally can't sin, then God is not omnipotent. He can do whatever the heck he wants. He chooses not to sin because he is God, and in addition to being infinitely powerful, he is also infinitely good.

God does not lie, but man has a propensity to be deluded and false in his comprehension of God's Word. It isn't too difficult to read God's Word and understand that God's righteousness and character do not allow him to sin. The father of lies is satan and he has a multitude of children on this earth that will follow him to the lake of fire because of their rejection of God's Word.

God's Word says that all who are born of God cannot sin. God cannot sin.

Semantics. I can say that my nature does not allow me to cheat on my wife. That doesn't mean I'm physically incapable of doing so. God's nature is such that he doesn't sin, but as I said, he can do whatever he pleases.

Well, at least my God is omnipotent. Maybe yours is weaker.

 

[stansenemy]

re;mission

he actually could have faialed but he did not because he followed gods arrangemnet and he put his trust in god and he stayed faithful,it was an example for us today to follow his footsteps,we forget that up until a certain point jesus never had recollection of his prehuman existence but still was not sinning,when jesus was baptized to serve god he even had a more difficult struggle,but still put his trust in god and not himself the scripture says he learned obedience through the things he suffered

 

[stansenemy]

re;mission

he actually could have faialed but he did not because he followed gods arrangemnet and he put his trust in god and he stayed faithful,it was an example for us today to follow his footsteps,we forget that up until a certain point jesus never had recollection of his prehuman existence but still was not sinning,when jesus was baptized to serve god he even had a more difficult struggle,but still put his trust in god and not himself the scripture says he learned obedience through the things he suffered

 

[stansenemy]

re;mission

he actually could have faialed but he did not because he followed gods arrangemnet and he put his trust in god and he stayed faithful,it was an example for us today to follow his footsteps,we forget that up until a certain point jesus never had recollection of his prehuman existence but still was not sinning,when jesus was baptized to serve god he even had a more difficult struggle,but still put his trust in god and not himself the scripture says he learned obedience through the things he suffered

 

[stansenemy]

re;mission

he actually could have faialed but he did not because he followed gods arrangemnet and he put his trust in god and he stayed faithful,it was an example for us today to follow his footsteps,we forget that up until a certain point jesus never had recollection of his prehuman existence but still was not sinning,when jesus was baptized to serve god he even had a more difficult struggle,but still put his trust in god and not himself the scripture says he learned obedience through the things he suffered

 

[stansenemy]

jesus could have failed up to a certain point when jesus was growing up he did not have any recollection of his prehuman existence,it was only after he was baptized and was annointed with holy spirit that he recalled his prehuman exisyence armed with that knowledge he still was tested to the point of exhaustion and still succeeded because he put his trust in god to help him maintain his spirituality,jesus was well versed in the arrangement that his father had put on place on this earth for pure worship,he prayed and he was long suffering.man and jesus and the angels in heaven have the gift of free will,if this was not the case then why did the perfect man adam fail to please god and sin,why did angels in heaven forsake their place in heaven and sin against god,why did the cherub described in ezekial sin to the point of trying to steal worship that rightly belonged to god ,if the angels were under mind control then why did they sin,and why if the angels under mind control,didnt god use mind control over people,and avoid this whole mess completely,because he wants us to worship him and listen to him ,he does not want us to be armtwisted it has to be given freely

 

[ArtGuy]

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[Ajax 777]

Man has free will and can sin. If Jesus did not have free will and could not sin, then he was not a man. My Bible tells me Jesus was a man, so I must believe Jesus could have sinned.

Exactly....

If Christ could not have failed it is all just a Charade.....

Here is how I see a dialogue between Satan and God...

Satan: Yo wassup God, What you gonna do now that I am the prince of the earth.... Sure you could be a big bully and fry me and my posse out of existance in an instant...

I know that...
You know that.....
But what is the Universe gonna think about you then?

I tell you what they will all think....

That you are a TYRANT! Nothing more than a bully with a LAW that is impossible to follow.

God: Hey why you gotta come at me like that? I give you a perfect existance and this is how you thank me? Tricking my humans to disobey me with false promises?

Satan: Thats right hommie.... What you gonna do about it? Huh? Come on and fry me and show the universe your true Nature.

You are not FAIR!

God: Listen up....

I am gonna not only beat you..... I will beat you as a human....

In fact I will become a man... With the possibility of being a hypocrite and failing to follow my own LAW.

I will show the universe that my LAW can be followed and it is Truth.

I will manifest myself into a humble human form and give you a shot at defeating me as I will not have all my galatic - awesome superpowers to smote your red butt....

In fact I wont even bring my homeboy Angels to take you and your sorry gang down......

Satan: Its on then! I will defeat you just like I have every other man.....

I Trust you will actually be a man and have the possibility of losing this game so lets get it on!!!!!

God: Bring it demon boy.......

ROFLMAO!!!

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

 

[Kefka]

Theoretically the universe could have imploded 6 times in the last 3 hours, but the astronomical forces that took place while it happened caused us to forget. Doesn't mean it happened.

 

[Solo]

Can God sin?
No.

If God quite literally can't sin, then God is not omnipotent. He can do whatever the heck he wants. He chooses not to sin because he is God, and in addition to being infinitely powerful, he is also infinitely good.

God does not lie, but man has a propensity to be deluded and false in his comprehension of God's Word. It isn't too difficult to read God's Word and understand that God's righteousness and character do not allow him to sin. The father of lies is satan and he has a multitude of children on this earth that will follow him to the lake of fire because of their rejection of God's Word.

God's Word says that all who are born of God cannot sin. God cannot sin.

Semantics. I can say that my nature does not allow me to cheat on my wife. That doesn't mean I'm physically incapable of doing so. God's nature is such that he doesn't sin, but as I said, he can do whatever he pleases.

Well, at least my God is omnipotent. Maybe yours is weaker.

It plain to see that you do not understand God, nor do you understand omnipotent, nor do you understand the character of Jesus Christ, but don't fear, if you are born again, you will know one day.