Countering Bible Contradictions

[Lewis]

Countering Bible Contradictions
Don't forget to scroll down when you get there.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm#134

 

[Quath]

I have seen many lists of Bible contradictions. However, most of those are context problems, translation errors and pushing words past their meaning.

However, there is a grouping of contradictions that I can second order contradictions. Basically, you can explain anything away one contradiction at a time. However, when you do, you usually contradict something else. Here is a simple example from http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm:

God is satisfied with his works
"God saw all that he made, and it was very good." [Gen 1:31]

God is dissatisfied with his works.
"The Lord was grieved that he had made man on earth, and his heart was filled with pain." [Gen 6:6]

This is an obvious case of both/and, for something occurred after Gen 1:31 and before Gen 6:6, namely, the Fall. Evil entered creation as a result of man's volition. One can argue the theological implications elsewhere, as the only relevant point is that this is not an obvious contradiction. When God created, all was good. After man rebelled, God grieved.

This problem is second order. Why was God not pleased when he made man? Didn't he know the future? Or did he make a mistake? Could something perfect ever create imprefection? The theological answer will probably contradict some other part of the Bible.

However, there are some good lists of more obvious contradictions that are not second order. My favorite two are:

New Testament Contradictions from Infidel.org

and

Ebon Musings: Foundation in Sand

 

[stovebolts]

You know Quath, I could use scripture to say that Satan saved you. This is what can occur if we don't know scripture. Have you ever read the complete OT?

 

[Quath]

You know Quath, I could use scripture to say that Satan saved you. This is what can occur if we don't know scripture. Have you ever read the complete OT?

Yeah, I think every belief can be justified with the Bible.

I have read most of it, but it was very out of order. Bits and pieces here and there.

 

[stovebolts]

I have read most of it, but it was very out of order. Bits and pieces here and there.

We can tell :wink:

But I'd question the "Most of it" statment. :-D

 

[Quath]

I have read most of it, but it was very out of order. Bits and pieces here and there.

We can tell :wink:

But I'd question the "Most of it" statment. :-D

Hey! I read it. Well... Ok... I read the Cliff notes version...

Ok. ok.. Maybe I just read the review of the cliff notes.....

Alright.. I scanned the review....

Bleh. I saw a Bible once.

 

[lovely]

Quath wrote:

Hey! I read it. Well... Ok... I read the Cliff notes version...

Ok. ok.. Maybe I just read the review of the cliff notes.....

Alright.. I scanned the review....

Bleh. I saw a Bible once.

You silly. :-D

 

[Lewis]

Why Quath' from the look on your face you just saw Jesus walk in, and you know that you only have a little time left :D :-D

 

[Poke]

However, there are some good lists of more obvious contradictions that are not second order. My favorite two are:

New Testament Contradictions from Infidel.org

Most of those are pretty weak. For example, it's always something that you need to pay attention to when someone says a verse says something, but they don't quote the verse. For example, "Other passages, which indicate that Jesus did not consider himself sinless, are also an embarrassment to the church (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19)." I've never noticed the church being embarrassed over these veses and there's no contradiction. "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." Jesus doesn't deny being good, and Christians have always understood this to be Jesus implying that he is God. Your atheist author would have lost some impact of his claims if he quoted the verses.

Or take a big one, where Matthew is accused of blundering and saying Jesus rode into town on two animals. As level-headed as the book of Matthew is written, I don't think if he were a fraud, he would have the "absurd" case of Jesus riding two animals. Being familiar with the OT, he would have understood the OT duel reference to one animal. It's possible Matthew blundered, but I think it more likely someone else has blundered. Like, maybe, there really were two animals, the second one not mentioned in Zaccaria or the other Gospels. The blunder is thinking that Matthew thought the OT refered to two different animals.

The article claims the Bible says Jesus sat on two animals. A fair understanding of the verse (Mat 21:7) is that Jesus sat on the coats placed on one of the animals. Why choose an absurd view over a no less valid reasonable view? Why, unless you're trying to make contradictions where there are none?

I can find plenty of possible faults with the Bible, but it's not the contradictory mess some people would have us think.

 

[Quath]

Why Quath' from the look on your face you just saw Jesus walk in, and you know that you only have a little time left :D :-D

Hey! I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that jacket. Plus my horns are a little shorter. Not that I have problems with short horns. Many succubus say it is not the size of the horn.... :smt084

 

[Lewis]

Why Quath' from the look on your face you just saw Jesus walk in, and you know that you only have a little time left :D :-D

Hey! I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that jacket. Plus my horns are a little shorter. Not that I have problems with short horns. Many succubus say it is not the size of the horn.... :smt084

Yeah Quath I think you should have on a red jacket, hey your horns are about right, you are not a baby devil, you have been down here on earth before the fall. Jesus beheld you fall from heaven like lightning. :D :-D

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

Why Quath' from the look on your face you just saw Jesus walk in, and you know that you only have a little time left :D :-D

Hey! I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that jacket. Plus my horns are a little shorter. Not that I have problems with short horns. Many succubus say it is not the size of the horn.... :smt084

Succubus are from the Abyss, not the Nine Hells of Baator. Succubus are demons, not devils...

They are in a "Blood War" and want each other dead...

The bounds of Law and Chaos have an effect in this matter.

 

[Lewis]

Well isn't Quath in charge of the demons ? :o :-D

 

[Quath]

Well isn't Quath in charge of the demons ? :o :-D

I got put into the accounting department in hell. It seems that hell has some places of agony worse than others.

Succubus are from the Abyss, not the Nine Hells of Baator. Succubus are demons, not devils...

Umm. They were like exchange students. Some devils go to the Abyss and some demons come to hell. There are some nice parties thrown around then. It is all fun and games until someone loses a pointed tail.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Countering Bible Contradictions

Very cool Lewis!

I love it!!

One of the blessings of knowing God is the fact that truth can not contradict truth.

In reading posts on this and other forums, it seems to me that thes non-existant contradictions are the result of folks who are not yet humble enough to admit:
1) the possibility that they don't understand the passage, or
2) that God is able to do things beyond the boundries that we try to place on Him.

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

Well isn't Quath in charge of the demons ? :o :-D

I got put into the accounting department in hell. It seems that hell has some places of agony worse than others.

[quote="Dalen Naskiel":d65fd]Succubus are from the Abyss, not the Nine Hells of Baator. Succubus are demons, not devils...

Umm. They were like exchange students. Some devils go to the Abyss and some demons come to hell. There are some nice parties thrown around then. It is all fun and games until someone loses a pointed tail.[/quote:d65fd]

Never know, might be able to happen.

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

Well isn't Quath in charge of the demons ? :o :-D

Maybe a layer in the Abyss is where he commands his demonic armies.

 

[Lewis]

Umm. They were like exchange students. Some devils go to the Abyss and some demons come to hell. There are some nice parties thrown around then. It is all fun and games until someone loses a pointed tail.

Quath parties down there. Look at him he's drunk.

 

[Vic C.]

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8-)

 

[stovebolts]

I have seen many lists of Bible contradictions. However, most of those are context problems, translation errors and pushing words past their meaning.

However, there are some good lists of more obvious contradictions that are not second order. My favorite two are:

New Testament Contradictions from Infidel.org

I was just browsing the forum this morning, ya know, stretching, drinking some coffee, trying to wake up... Decided to look at the links that Lewis and you left.

Wow... Hey Lewis, why don't we just read our bibles? You know, actually read them, then study them in thier entirety?

Quath,
I also checked out your site. Got about half way down the list and just shook my head. One thing I found interesting (and contridicting) is the fact that the guy uses the traditions of the communitites around the israelites while totally failing to recognize the traditions of the Isrealites. Talk about bias and one sided saturated in total subjectivity... Reminds me of those anti catholic hate sites. : You'd have to be pretty niave to get sucked into believeing that garbage.

But before we go any further, we've already got a thread going... so lets finish one thing before we start another huh? :roll: