the counter argument is a sovereign citizen
I (and others with me) do not, and would never, ascribe to that label. Labels, while seemingly helpful, are tools of tyrants with which to vilify and control others.
I had one of those in my church .I still talk to them but oddly they paid ad valorem and sales taxes and had a driver license and registered their car .
As one walks through the process of coming out of the corporation, of rescinding/breaking those contracts, he must decide/prioritize which contracts get dealt with first. In my situation, I am still not 100% where I'd like to be - but I'm close, praise God!
I'm rushed a bit, but the rest of this is a response to jasonc:
so because You don't believe in government at all .the church should administer the death penalty ,jail and imprison . Paul did no such thing .it's not the churches job to be the government .I didn't address covid but your ignorance of American laws on fees,driver licensing and right to travel
God is the government - not you, not me, not Caesar, not Paul, not "church." FWIW, I was once in your shoes, with all the same worldly contracts e.g. "fees,driver licensing and right to travel."
render unto ceaser that which is ceaser.if Gof himself being the maker of all said to give the coin as required to ceaser then I guess you know best .
'Jesus paid taxes' is a popular lie taught throughout evangelical Christianity. Religion has always been the tool of choice of tyrants to control the sheeple.
In fact, Jesus himself was accused of forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar at his trial (Luke 23:2). Notice these were
not false witnesses who accused Jesus of not paying taxes, because every time a false witness accused Jesus, the scripture tells us it was a false witness (Mark 14:57-59). Where did Jesus forbid to pay taxes to Caesar?
In Mark 12:13-17, Jesus was asked if it was lawful to give taxes to Caesar or not. A silver coin, with Caesar's inscription on it, was shown to Christ. In this example, the Lord's answer requires everyone to make the determination as to what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God;
Mark 12:17 "...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's..."
Who did this silver coin belong to? Since the Scripture says, "The
silver is mine, and the
gold is mine, saith the
LORD of hosts" (Haggai 2:8), that means that the silver coin shown to Jesus
belonged to God. However, those who live, move, and have their being in the image of Caesar, as the disciples of the Pharisees did, will believe this coin belongs to Caesar instead. We are not to be deluded by the image of Caesar, but built-up in the image of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 11:7; 15:49, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Colossians 3:10).
Others cry, “What about Matthew 17:24-27?”:
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
Let's break this passage down.
Verse 24: The tax collector asked Simon Peter if Jesus paid taxes.
Verse 25: Peter said, "yes". But "Jesus
prevented" Peter from paying the tax. Why did Jesus
prevent Peter from paying taxes?
Verse 26: Jesus said "Then are the children
free" from paying taxes. This is why, because we are now free. But we must not use our liberty as a cloak of maliciousness.
Verse 27: However, to avoid "offending" this tax collector (since, as was the habit of Peter, he opened his mouth too soon without really thinking and obligated Jesus by his statement that Jesus did pay taxes), Jesus told Peter to cast a hook into the sea, and catch a fish, and take out money from its mouth and pay it.
Even though Jesus provided a coin to Simon for this tax, it was to avoid "offending" the collector, and because Peter rashly agreed to pay it, not because we are bound to pay taxes by Law. Jesus made the point to stress that the children are free from taxes. But notice, Simon Peter and Jesus did not give him any of their own money, but that which came from the fish! It is interesting to note that Peter was a
commercial fisherman (a fisher of fish) before being called to be an apostle of Christ (a fisher of men), and when Peter opened his mouth before thinking (as he often did), Christ basically chastised him by having Peter
return to his
old life to pay his
debt! He had to be a fisher of fish to catch that fish with the coin in its mouth. Thus, the lesson for us is:
When you join yourself to the world, and make obligations to the world, you must become part of the world again to meet those obligations.
Additionally, Jesus could not have fulfilled prophecy if he was to go to prison, which might have happened if he didn't pay that tax after Peter "volunteered" for him. It was not his time to go to prison yet. Likewise, Jesus could have called twelve legions of angels to his rescue, but because the scriptures would not have been fulfilled if he did, he refrained from doing that act (Matthew 26:53-54). Jesus taught that we are
free from paying taxes if we are
children of the king (Matthew 17:24-26), meaning the children of King Jesus (Acts 17:7, 1 Timothy 1:17).
Now, for clarification, if a government is acting strictly as a minister of God, then it
is lawful to pay taxes to that government (Romans 13:6), because that "silver coin" which belongs to God
also belongs to God's ministers, as they are acting in his name and doing his will. However, if a government is not a minister of God, then there is no duty to give taxes to it.
So now we know that Jesus did not ‘pay taxes.’ Rather,
Jesus cleverly provided a coin to
Simon Peter with which to satisfy Simon’s foolishly incurred legal obligation and thus teach him (and us) a lesson.
BTW, a license is just another form of taxation.
By requiring a license, the State is claiming complete control and ownership over a disciple’s life. The term "license" is from the word "licentious", which means "morally unrestrained, disregarding rules, lascivious". These same words describe human governments today. In demanding licensure from true bondmen of Christ, the State is asking that we render to
it the submission and tribute that scripture requires us to give to
God alone.
To partake of this kind of government and pay the taxes due therefrom is to support a government bent on destroying God's dominion.
...taxes, mortgage, utility payments, well and septic permits, utilities, power, water, sewer...
It's never too late to do the right thing. So that's actually a good start - to actually write down those things that you in error have given to Caesar and to start to make a plan to give them back to God. Each one of those things is what I call a minimum contact. The order is not too important, but it is important that you do indeed start the process.
And community is vital. The mere fact that you would ask about such a thing is proof positive that you have what it takes to get this ball rolling and begin to walk in true liberty, as God has so ordained his people. If we insist on remaining in our ivory towers, and "you keep your hands off of my pile of beans," then we will continue to get picked off one at a time by the satanic system. There is strength in numbers.
At NZ, "rates" are what property owners pay to local authorities to fund the work done in their area. Essentially, rates only pays for sewer access, water access and rubbish removal. It's a big issue here at the moment, as the rates, of course, continue to rise with no return being realized by the rate payers. But once you begin the process to come out from that system, you might be without access to such "services" for only a short time as you transition.
It took me awhile, but I'm in a community - off the grid, with a fresh water creek and large garden. God is good.
how can one like me drive legally for my job as required without paying for a driver license ?
We can address this, but NUMBER ONE is to GET OUT OF DEBT. How are you with that one?
[Believe it or not, the car/vehicle issue is relatively easy to come out from, while a mortgage is another animal.]