Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.

[miamited]

The reason you took the vaccine , what was it ?

Hi hawkman
Because it was an extremely deadly virus and I was looking forward to getting a few more years. Had a friend who was a police officer that refused the shot. He's dead now. Died within 48 hours of finding out that he had it. Left behind a wife and several grown children. I trust the science of medical procedures and processes. They can be proven in the here and now. Now the science of past ages is a bit more questionable for me, especially when comparing what they teach against the word of God, but God's word doesn't have anything to say about vaccines and viruses. Although, one of the horsemen that has been loosed since Jesus paid the price for our sin, we are told has power to kill with diseases and so I do expect there to be diseases and viruses and such that cause sickness and death among us. So, I trust when the medical community says that it's a good plan... that it's a good plan. I actually have full faith in most of the work of the CDC and the WHO. I'm not one to believe that they're out to get us as some seem to be.

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm not gonna live in fear but I Also understand the fact people like my wife have weak immune systems .

I work with a germaphobe. she won't even tolerate a smidgeon of dirt on a check read . sometimes because we dig up meters for reads we get dirt or mud on the paper .

For some people it was completely understandable why they had fear, especially the immunecompromised or with specific conditions and those in the higher age range.

I just find it a bit crooked people were led to believe those who didn't get it somehow were the only people who could spread the virus so they got labelled selfish, yet the jab was not tested for transmission and there was no evidence to back it up that claim. If the jab was about effectiveness and stoping people from getting seriously sick if they got infected so would help those more vulnerable then those who had it should have felt safe and not worried about the unvaccinated. That's what led to no jab no jab no jab no entry.

 

[Barbarian]

You're right; Christians don't have to fear death. But that doesn't mean we should go around tempting fate. God expects us to take reasonable care of ourselves.

 

[Barbarian]

I just find it a bit crooked people were led to believe those who didn't get it somehow were the only people who could spread the virus

According to Dr. Fauci, they weren't the only ones. It was just more common for them to be carrying the virus.

 

[Corn Pop]

You're right; Christians don't have to fear death. But that doesn't mean we should go around tempting fate. God expects us to take reasonable care of ourselves.

I got covid early so im not sure why I would have needed a jab when it become available after i had already had the most potent vaccine. Why would I need a jab to protect me and keep me safe if I had already had the virus. How would the jab have helped save my life?

 

[follower]

I got covid early so im not sure why I would have needed a jab when it become available after i had already had the most potent vaccine. Why would I need a jab to protect me if I had already had the virus. How would the jab have helped save my live?

The only way it would have helped you, and what many people want, is that the money the drug makers make from the jab and from the consequent deaths and illnesses from the jab would contribute to them being more in favor of doing something for you (for the right money of course).
Otherwise, you get well, stay well, get better, without expense or at least without paying the drug makers, and they and those who join with the money makers won't like you.

 

[miamited]

You're right; Christians don't have to fear death. But that doesn't mean we should go around tempting fate. God expects us to take reasonable care of ourselves.

Which is why I got the vaccination. I understood that it was the reasonable response to a killer virus that was making it's rounds. Kind of a lot like why we don't see measles much anymore, except of course among the unvaccinated. But this position that some seem to have that these health guidelines and the organizations working on the matter were out to kill us or make us into some sort of immunized robots is just something that I wouldn't expect a lover of truth to fall for... but hey, what do I know?

 

[hawkman]

But this position that some seem to have that these health guidelines and the organizations working on the matter were out to kill us or make us into some sort of immunized robots is just something that I wouldn't expect a lover of truth to fall for... but hey, what do I know?

When unelected bureaucrats come up with mandates and then the mandates are enforced by armed government workers . I see what is going on . Six foot safe , not forgetting that one .

 

[Free]

The only way it would have helped you, and what many people want, is that the money the drug makers make from the jab and from the consequent deaths and illnesses from the jab would contribute to them being more in favor of doing something for you (for the right money of course).
Otherwise, you get well, stay well, get better, without expense or at least without paying the drug makers, and they and those who join with the money makers won't like you.

I mentioned it before and it seems worth mentioning again to do away with this false narrative. I know two young women, mid 20s, who got COVID before vaccines were available. One is bedridden, 24/7, can hardly talk, and can barely do anything even in bed. It has developed into chronic fatigue and she is considered the worst of the worst. She’s been that way for nearly four years.

The second young woman is doing better, but not by much. She needs a lot of care—she needs to always have someone with her—and her parents had to sell their home to move in with her so they could care for her. She did recently get an electric wheelchair so that she can at least get around without needing to be pushed. She is largely bedridden as well; just not to the same extreme. It’s almost four and half years for her.

They are two of the brightest young women I know, but have no future apart from a miracle.

Not to mention all those who died that didn’t get vaccinated.

It is absolutely a false narrative that if you don’t get vaccinated you’ll just get over COVID and be perfectly fine.

 

[Free]

I got covid early so im not sure why I would have needed a jab when it become available after i had already had the most potent vaccine. Why would I need a jab to protect me and keep me safe if I had already had the virus. How would the jab have helped save my life?

In a couple of important ways. First, any “natural immunity” from having had COVID wanes, just as vaccine protection wanes. Second, the virus changed and continues to change. So, any protection you would have had from one strain wouldn’t likely fully protect you from another strain.

I know people who have had COVID multiple times. And the more one gets COVID, the more likely they end up with long COVID or other permanent damage.

 

[Barbarian]

I got covid early so im not sure why I would have needed a jab when it become available after i had already had the most potent vaccine. Why would I need a jab to protect me and keep me safe if I had already had the virus. How would the jab have helped save my life?

Some viruses, like polio virus, pretty much give you permanent immunity. Others, like most rhinoviruses (colds) do very little. Getting infected does not always confer the best immunity, particularly when a virus mutates as much as this one does.

 

[jasonc]

In a couple of important ways. First, any “natural immunity” from having had COVID wanes, just as vaccine protection wanes. Second, the virus changed and continues to change. So, any protection you would have had from one strain wouldn’t likely fully protect you from another strain.

I know people who have had COVID multiple times. And the more one gets COVID, the more likely they end up with long COVID or other permanent damage.

tbh ,that can happen with boosters .
a virus can mutate too fast .the flu vaccine you get this year is for last years strain

 

[Corn Pop]

Some viruses, like polio virus, pretty much give you permanent immunity. Others, like most rhinoviruses (colds) do very little. Getting infected does not always confer the best immunity, particularly when a virus mutates as much as this one does.

And that was a argument that was made, by the time they had the jab rollout it had mutated as the jab was made for the first varient, and they were questioning how effective it was because those vaccinated were still getting and spreading all the other varients. The other varients were around when it was no jab no job no jab no entry so who knows how effective the double jab was.

 

[Barbarian]

And that was a argument that was made, by the time they had the jab rollout it had mutated as the jab was made for the first varient, and they were questioning how effective it was because those vaccinated were still getting and spreading all the other varients.

That was the interesting thing. The first mRNA vaccines retained quite a bit of efficacy:

Summary​

What is already known about this topic?
Waning of monovalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19–associated hospitalization among adults is recognized; however, little is known about the durability of protection provided by these vaccines against COVID-19–associated invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV) and in-hospital death during the Omicron variant period.

What is added by this report?
Monovalent mRNA vaccination was 76% effective in preventing COVID-19–associated IMV and death <6 months after the last dose and remained 56% effective at 1–2 years.

What are the implications for public health practice?
Monovalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccines provided substantial, durable protection against COVID-19–associated IMV and death. All adults should remain up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccination to prevent critical outcomes of COVID-19.

Effectiveness of Monovalent mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination...

This report describes effectiveness of monovalent mRNA vaccination in preventing COVID-19-associated invasive mechanical ventilation and death.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Barbarian]

tbh ,that can happen with boosters .
a virus can mutate too fast .the flu vaccine you get this year is for last years strain

And occasionally, influenza viruses mutate more drastically than usual, and the shot is of limited effectiveness. But not zero effectiveness.

 

[Corn Pop]

That was the interesting thing. The first mRNA vaccines retained quite a bit of efficacy:

If the jab retained quite a bit of efficacy then so to should have someone who acturslly got infected and recovered. Are you trying to say a the jab was a better vaccine than someone who got infected and recovered?.

 

[Corn Pop]

Some viruses, like polio virus, pretty much give you permanent immunity. Others, like most rhinoviruses (colds) do very little. Getting infected does not always confer the best immunity, particularly when a virus mutates as much as this one does.

This must have been before he sold out.

 

[Corn Pop]

I haven't had a bad flu since I was a child like 9 or 10. I remember getting the flu once and it knocked me out for a time, high fever, vomitting, crazy dreams, just sick as a dog, coughing 24/7, fully bed ridden. I haven't been that sick in well over 30 years.

 

[Barbarian]

This must have been before he sold out.

That's just a story told by people who have a monetary interest in COVID-19 scams. Initially, it seemed as though COVID-19 would be like other coronaviruses or like measles. But it wasn't. So predictions based on the short-term immunity observed in the early pandemic turned out wrong.

People who have been infected by COVID-19 can indeed be reinfected.

Previous COVID-19 infection does not provide long-lasting "natural immunity," study finds​

Elevated antibodies and immune cells associated with prior infection level out within six months of vaccination and need to be replenished with regular booster shots.​

Previous COVID-19 infection does not provide long-lasting "natural immunity," study finds

Study determining how long COVID-19 immunity lasts after infection showed leveling out of antibodies and immune cells after six months with vaccination.

www.lerner.ccf.org

But yes, the vaccination is more effective than natural immunity:

Large, real-world study finds COVID-19 vaccination more effective than natural immunity in protecting against all causes of death, hospitalization and emergency department visits​

Large study finds vaccination more effective than natural immunity

One of the first real-world studies COVID-19 vaccines more effective than natural immunity to protect against death, hospitalizations and ED visits.

www.regenstrief.org

 

[Corn Pop]

That's just a story told by people who have a monetary interest in COVID-19 scams. Initially, it seemed as though COVID-19 would be like other coronaviruses or like measles. But it wasn't. So predictions based on the short-term immunity observed in the early pandemic turned out wrong.

People who have been infected by COVID-19 can indeed be reinfected.

Previous COVID-19 infection does not provide long-lasting "natural immunity," study finds​

Elevated antibodies and immune cells associated with prior infection level out within six months of vaccination and need to be replenished with regular booster shots.​

Previous COVID-19 infection does not provide long-lasting "natural immunity," study finds

Study determining how long COVID-19 immunity lasts after infection showed leveling out of antibodies and immune cells after six months with vaccination.

www.lerner.ccf.org

But yes, the vaccination is more effective than natural immunity:

Large, real-world study finds COVID-19 vaccination more effective than natural immunity in protecting against all causes of death, hospitalization and emergency department visits​

Large study finds vaccination more effective than natural immunity

One of the first real-world studies COVID-19 vaccines more effective than natural immunity to protect against death, hospitalizations and ED visits.

www.regenstrief.org

That was talking about the flu.

If you are saying previous covid infection does not provide long lasting natural immunity then the same would have to be said for the jab. So the argument can stand why were those unvaccinted booted out of society when those who were double jabed it would not have privided long lasting immunity. It was already mutated. Unless you want to argue a vaccine is greater than an infection and recovery.