Cure?

[Oats]

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What do you think of this?

I in no way agree with gayness....but this is bizzare

 

[Tina]

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New Age cult movement .....

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Wow, just wow.

Its obvious that the people behind this are completely unaware that the Father son/ Mother son connection to homosexuality is wrong. Its actually more likely for a homosexual male to have loving parents.

Its all excuses thrown up and people not willing to listen. The ex gays movement is a laugh because the majority of the people who claim they have been cured end up back to where they started or killing themselves. There are numerous blogs and organizations started by Ex exgays.

The only people this kind of therapy even "helps" are bi-sexual and the therapy only helps them suppress, but not cure there urges.

Jason I believe that you have stated on this forum several times that through prayer you have managed to suppress these urges, and occasionally they do try to rise up, but you are able to regain control.

I have a good relationship with my mother, and my Grandfather was always in my life and a strong male role model.

I grew up with the love of 2 parents, and still ended up liking men. I have no disdain for women. And all my problems I have are exactly the same as heterosexual problems.

If your religion says you shouldn't be gay, then pray about it, Its your life and faith. For the rest of us who have tired and learned that its not easy as pie and know it for the sack of whooie it really is and have gone through therapy, or have tried to. We'll just sit over here and feel sorry for those who willfully put themselves through the pain that was started only because society can't leave other people alone and need a bad guy to hurt .

You want to see real sexism straight out of the 50s? Go to an Ex gay clinic, nothing like telling a man that unless he is muscular, driving a truck, and dose manly things all the time, and thinks about women all the time ( sexually), is a real man. Go ahead, I'm not joking.

And that women should remain at home and be child berers and should shy away from the manly activities and should always be quiet and never voice their political or social views. That would be to unwomenly and they are only there to look pretty and cook and clean for their manly husbend.

I'm not kidding this is the stuff they try and feed us who are willing to buy into the scam.

 

[jasoncran]

lance, the person has to want to change , and i have been to church with a struggle gay man. he neither was forced to change. He wanted and did it like i did, called repent. he was celebate for yrs.

lance, contrary to the gay progranda you are told, many churches dont do that, and i wasnt told to repent in church or sent to "school" but told by a friend over the phone who loved me ,and gave the verse to read and repent.

upon that i then called my man and told him that it was over and that i was no longer going to be with him. and i would still talk to him. i didnt treat him like trash, or hate him.(though i was made at him and did go through a period of hatred, but the lord told him it takes two have a male sexual relationship), and since then i harbor no hatred.

to be honest lance, i overcome the power male lusts easily, if i do look, i can stop and not think about it for months on end, it happens so rarely for me once a yr, but when i started testifying about then it increased, but that is over.

i struggle with nude female body far more then i would a male. and the former i have to work a little no to lust over. but i can.

no man taught me what the bible says on being a male. the lord did via the bible. no church for yrs even knew i was this way, and its only know that i even really open up. Lance, its been 15 yrs since i did that male relationship, in fact that was the only time i did that.

you are wrong, if you wish i will ask another bisexual woman who repented to talk to you, she is a friend on fb.


i would be against that style of making a gay man change, just teach him the word and it fully and it will change him, and when he or she is needed of answers then answer them. but they have to want to change. i did and so did my others that i know.


fyi seldom do i have to work to block male lusts. if i did then why would i do mma?sure it happens, the devil wants me in that sin, but not as much as you think thats to the power of GOD.agian i struggle more with woman then i would with men.

 

[jasoncran]

agian the person has to want to change. i wont make one change. that is a rather useless means of doing that.
beat the pillow and cuddling.lol
i have a good relationship with parents when i was bi. i have often wondered what made me like men. but that posting of thought isnt up for debate. however, if oats or tina wish to know my opinon on why I was that way feel free to pm me then.

and killing gays and making it illegal, thats wrong.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

lance, the person has to want to change , and i have been to church with a struggle gay man. he neither was forced to change. He wanted and did it like i did, called repent. he was celebate for yrs.

Notice that he was celebate. Did he ever hook up with a women? Does he still have to pray to keep the urges away?

lance, contrary to the gay progranda you are told

Told? I lived through it. I've given my personal testamony many times, You guys just don't care.

, many churches dont do that, and i wasnt told to repent in church or sent to "school" but told by a friend over the phone who loved me ,and gave the verse to read and repent.[/quote[ There has to be way more to your conversion story then that. Sorry, I was at the most depressing point in my life and almost killed myself on many occasion while praying all the time about it and following the advice of online help that where affiliated with the Ex Gays. What, was God waiting for me to actually slit my wrists or shove pills down my throat, would tat been a sign to him that I truly wanted to change. What of the rest of my now friends who are on online forums, or the countless testimonies popping up all the time of those like me who tried to change? You bring me a few bi sexuals or celibate Gay men, and I'll show you the rest of us that God didn't love or thought just weren't wanting enough. Why can't anyone beleive that sometimes, God dosen't answer.

upon that i then called my man and told him that it was over and that i was no longer going to be with him. and i would still talk to him. i didnt treat him like trash, or hate him.(though i was made at him and did go through a period of hatred, but the lord told him it takes two have a male sexual relationship), and since then i harbor no hatred.

Did he hate you? I'd be broken if someone I loved out of the blue just dumped me or kicked me out of a house because of a phone conversation. I'd feel empty and hollow like I was used. I've felt real love, and I cherish it to much to just throw it away.

to be honest lance, i overcome the power male lusts easily, if i do look, i can stop and not think about it for months on end, it happens so rarely for me once a yr, but when i started testifying about then it increased, but that is over.

Lucky you, ever felt despair so bad because you hate yourself so much and you can't do anything to stop it, or create feelings that aren't really there? When you get that, then you can relate to me.

i struggle with nude female body far more then i would a male. and the former i have to work a little no to lust over. but i can.

I never had that problem. I find the female body boring outside an artistic sense.

no man taught me what the bible says on being a male. the lord did via the bible. no church for yrs even knew i was this way, and its only know that i even really open up. Lance, its been 15 yrs since i did that male relationship, in fact that was the only time i did that.

Well, it was drilled into my head from pastors. Nothing like feeling like I'm evil when I hit puberty. Yep, a hormonally unbalanced teenager being told that his thoughts where evil, and that at one point and time in history I would be killed for it. That's totally a way to show understanding. No wonder so many gay teens kill themselves. I think its about 1/3 of the teenage suicide rate.

you are wrong, if you wish i will ask another bisexual woman who repented to talk to you, she is a friend on fb.

And you don't care about the hardships, depression and suicidal thoughts. You want me to come ot the other side, and take away my rights, but you don't want to listen to me. You are all the same in that regard. You don't care about me, only about what I am.

i would be against that style of making a gay man change, just teach him the word and it fully and it will change him, and when he or she is needed of answers then answer them. but they have to want to change. i did and so did my others that i know.

Are you saying I didn't want it enough? Should I have swallowed those pills? Would that have proven to God that I wanted it badly enough?

 

[jasoncran]

lance the man did marry and has a wife, he has been married a while.

its in god's timing that he works.

the man never knew a girl to the time he decided to date and he married a few yrs after that.

i have to run errands, and i will to my response.

You cant change on your own, the lord does it. tis his power, even though i was saved when i struggled with porn, i had to go through that. i tried to stop and couldnt, till one day it just happened.

 

[theLords]

without inviting the Lord to bring healing into that person's heart, one cannot have true healing. repentance precedes healing! how can God heal the heart of someone who doesn't believe his actions sin against God?

this goes for all sinners needing to be delivered not just gays

 

[jasoncran]

without inviting the Lord to bring healing into that person's heart, one cannot have true healing. repentance precedes healing! how can God heal the heart of someone who doesn't believe his actions sin against God?

this goes for all sinners needing to be delivered not just gays

i couldnt agree more, it takes the power with the ok from the sinner to get healed. sometimes that takes a while, as i struggled with porn for a while. i'm the execetption to the rule on the gay thing imho. i dont believe that all will be zapped and over it like i was. some will struggle, that is just the way it is.

 

[theLords]

i couldnt agree more, it takes the power with the ok from the sinner to get healed. sometimes that takes a while, as i struggled with porn for a while. i'm the execetption to the rule on the gay thing imho. i dont believe that all will be zapped and over it like i was. some will struggle, that is just the way it is.

experiencing the power of the holy spirit, i don't personally believe that statement fully that "some will struggle." "God is no respecter of persons, He doesn't play favorites" What He does for one (you) He will do for another. All sin is sin. No sin is greater than another. How easily we can overcome it depends on how enslaved we were to that sin.

getting over any sin is a struggle. i think the problem lies more in the tension between the gay community and the Church. the Church has been a bad representative of love in that area. it's not entirely the Church's fault though. we just get the blame for it!

 

[jasoncran]

experiencing the power of the holy spirit, i don't personally believe that statement fully that "some will struggle." "God is no respecter of persons, He doesn't play favorites" What He does for one (you) He will do for another. All sin is sin. No sin is greater than another. How easily we can overcome it depends on how enslaved we were to that sin.

getting over any sin is a struggle. i think the problem lies more in the tension between the gay community and the Church. the Church has been a bad representative of love in that area. it's not entirely the Church's fault though. we just get the blame for it!

uh, from experience , i tried and tried and fasted and had others pray for me to stop porn, it happend when i didnt even expect it, i even lost faith and gave up but when i went to the alter one day and began praying in the h.s. i felt that desire taken. i didnt even ask. i did forget that the lord did promise me that he would take it.

 

[theLords]

uh, from experience , i tried and tried and fasted and had others pray for me to stop porn, it happend when i didnt even expect it, i even lost faith and gave up but when i went to the alter one day and began praying in the h.s. i felt that desire taken. i didnt even ask. i did forget that the lord did promise me that he would take it.

i'm not saying that it's not a struggle! i'm certainly not trying to take away from the pain you went through during that time.

i'm saying that it's not going to be that horrible forever. for example: my friend had an eating disorder. she went to an eating disorder support group. they told her that she wouldn't overcome it but that if she attended all the meetings until she died it would be less of a problem.

there is hope in God to overcome any and all sins. we're both living proof of that

 

[Pard]

So I stomached through it, even though Maddow does turn my stomach. I have gotten better with her though, after I snubbed her at CPAC!

Anyways, I think that guy is a little bonkers. Life styles that perpetuate sin, like homosexuality, can only really be undone with the Lord. Not sure how beating a pillow is going to cure you of being gay...

 

[jasoncran]

i'm not saying that it's not a struggle! i'm certainly not trying to take away from the pain you went through during that time.

i'm saying that it's not going to be that horrible forever. for example: my friend had an eating disorder. she went to an eating disorder support group. they told her that she wouldn't overcome it but that if she attended all the meetings until she died it would be less of a problem.

there is hope in God to overcome any and all sins. we're both living proof of that

of course, i know that and believe, God doenst call us into something he wont meet us and assist us with.
what i meant is that they pray and viola its over for them. that isnt always the case. i wish that local churches near me had something for those that struggle with porn and want freedom. we have the word but is it actually taught with POWER? sadly less and less each day.

 

[theLords]

of course, i know that and believe, God doenst call us into something he wont meet us and assist us with.
what i meant is that they pray and viola its over for them. that isnt always the case. i wish that local churches near me had something for those that struggle with porn and want freedom. we have the word but is it actually taught with POWER? sadly less and less each day.

oh okay, sorry!! i misunderstood you. yes i totally agree with you there.

and i know that there are alot of christian support groups out there for that. xchurch.com or something? they seem to be very helpful

 

[jasoncran]

the online help worked briefly for me. not that theres no power there or help, just its hard to get accountability over the very thing that you use to find porn.

i dont even look anymore, if i see that it might by accident or just pop up a porn thing i click exit and dont give a second thought. its hard not to get hit by something if i'm not watchful. even here. idiots love posting porn here, and we mods see them and delete.

 

[theLords]

Oh, wow, the things you protect us from. Thank you Mods, I had no idea

And as far as online accountability. I have heard of programs (not that you'd need it now) that you download and that send daily reports by email to someone you trust with your online history.

Did you ever see fireproof? lol.

It hurts when you have to cut off your hand or take out your own eye, but to see the smile on the Lord's face and to know you can walk deeper into a relationship with Him is better than having 2 hands or eyes

 

[jasoncran]

Oh, wow, the things you protect us from. Thank you Mods, I had no idea

And as far as online accountability. I have heard of programs (not that you'd need it now) that you download and that send daily reports by email to someone you trust with your online history.

Did you ever see fireproof? lol.

It hurts when you have to cut off your hand or take out your own eye, but to see the smile on the Lord's face and to know you can walk deeper into a relationship with Him is better than having 2 hands or eyes

no, i didnt see that movie. that program i never tried as i didnt feel that it was good to trust someone on that level with where i go as it reports everywhere you go.

 

[theLords]

it's good to have that option i guess.

the thing that matters now is that you are free and a walking testimony of God's power. no one can ever say those addictions can't be overcome

 

[jasoncran]

it's good to have that option i guess.

the thing that matters now is that you are free and a walking testimony of God's power. no one can ever say those addictions can't be overcome

no man can deny those even though one just did and does the power of that, but that he has to come to see on his own and the lord opening his eyes.

i gave up with even trying with porn, it ruled me,and i knew, so i know that God did it and not me as i hadnt the ability to stop. that i think is the way God wants it, so that I cant boast.