Curse

[ChevyRodeo]

Noah cursed Ham because Ham essential treated Noah bad.

Jesus says to forgive those who persecute you and to turn the other cheek.

Did God favor or disfavor Noah cursing someone? Does God not allow us to curse people? If someone does me wrong, should I curse them?

 

[follower of Christ]

Since our God never changes (He doesnt, that doesnt mean the rules didnt) we probably can conclude that He wanted the same mercy then as His word says He wanted now.
The Hebrew people were given the law and they twisted laws such as "eye for an eye" for personal revenge (obviously this was post Noah but the thought is the same), but that law was for judges to dispense justice with, not for individual vendettas.

One that gets me is this.

So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake. And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
(2Ki 2:22-24 KJV)


tore
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baw-kah'
A primitive root; to cleave; generally to rend, break, rip or open: - make a breach, break forth (into, out, in pieces, through, up), be ready to burst, cleave (asunder), cut out, divide, hatch, rend (asunder), rip up, tear, win.

Sounds a bit harsh considering these were boys, kwim ?

Then looking at Ananias and Saphira...both dying over a lie.
Just makes me wonder if God doesnt take things a little more seriously than we do.
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[ChevyRodeo]

WOW ! thats astonishing !


some little kids lied and bears came out from the woods and mauled them. Is life precious then ?

Seems like now this is just my opinion, seems like if it was Jesus, he would walk up to them and keeled down and said something really Jesus like and the kids would see their wrong doing and feel guilty, hug jesus and go to live a life witnessing for him.
:help

 

[jasoncran]

different time, that's why jesus rebuked john and james for wanting burn a village for refusing the truth.

god judges rightly and yes it's hard for us to understand that but its the truth.

 

[follower of Christ]

WOW ! thats astonishing !


some little kids lied and bears came out from the woods and mauled them. Is life precious then ?

Seems like now this is just my opinion, seems like if it was Jesus, he would walk up to them and keeled down and said something really Jesus like and the kids would see their wrong doing and feel guilty, hug jesus and go to live a life witnessing for him.
:help

There are things in the scriptures that make me know to take Gods word very seriously...to try to understand it AS He meant it. My biggest fear, every since I was a child, was to be willing to buy into false doctrine and so then be blinded to His wonderful truth.

I dont know why God chooses to do something as He does. Sometimes I think its less about it being logical or consistent and more just about His wanting us to trust Him regardless.
Look at Job. The mans life was torn apart. Why ? What REAL purpose was served ?
I think that the point overall is that we CAN trust God...thru sickness, chaos and anything else that the world and this temporal life can throw at us.

We have a knack of putting our priority on these things that are passing away before our eyes when we should put them solely on Him.
*IF* we did that then we'd see just how much a vapor this existence is....and how much more eternity means.
Which is to respond to your question....'is life precious then? '.
I believe it is precious in an eternal sense.
Im not so certain that God values the temporal over the eternal.

 

[fullgospel]

i believe that He was cursed as soon as he wronged the man of God. What is blessed cannot be cursed... no weapon formed against you will prosper. every tounge that rises against you will be condemed. once we sin we have stepped out from underneath the "God covering". You cant serve God and act like a heathen.

 

[veteran]

There's more to that event. This is why I keep saying it's very important to study all of God's Word, to know the history flow.

At that time there was a literal battle still going on with the Baal prophets Jezebel had setup in Israel. Jezebel (a Baal worshipper) had many of God's prophets killed, and had especially tried to kill Elijah. In 1 Kings 18 God through Elijah made a mockery of the Baal prophets, and it turned many of the children of Israel back to God. Elijah then ordered prophets of Baal there (around 400) to be executed right then.

In the next chapter of 2 Kings 3 after Elisha's curse upon those children, and after he had gone to Carmel and returned from Samaria, note this...

II Ki 3:1-3
1 Now Jehoram the son of Ahab began to reign over Israel in Samaria the eighteenth year of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, and reigned twelve years.
2 And he wrought evil in the sight of the LORD; but not like his father, and like his mother: for he put away the image of Baal that his father had made.
3 Nevertheless he cleaved unto the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, which made Israel to sin; he departed not therefrom.(KJV)

Per the previous history in 1 Kings 12 forward, God split Israel into two separate kingdoms. Samaria was the capital city of the northern kingdom of Israel ("house of Israel"- ten tribes only). Jerusalem was the capital city over the southern kingdom, one of the house of David ruling over the "house of Judah".

The city of Bethel (means 'house of God') where those children which Elisha cursed were from. Bethel was located in the nothern kingdom of Israel. Ahab and Jezebel were over that northern kingdom of Israel, ruling from Samaria. God had promised He would settle the score with Jezebel for killing God's prophets, but not in Ahab's days because Ahab humbled himself and repented. It was to come in the days of Ahab's son Jehoram. When Ahab's son began to reign, he didn't repeat the setting up of Baal prophets like Jezebel did, but he still allowed the sin of Jeroboam to continue, and that involved the city of Bethel.

So what happened with the city of Bethel in Jeroboam's time? Jeroboam (house of Joseph) is who God setup as the first king over house of Israel at Samaria (i.e., over the northern kingdom of ten tribes only). To keep the people of Israel (of the ten tribes in the north) from going to Jerusalem to worship God like they were supposed to, Jeroboam setup two golden calf idols in false worship, one at Bethel and the other in Dan (1 Kings 12:27-33).

And when you read the flow starting at 2 Kings 2 about Elijah, the sons of God's prophets come out to forewarn Elijah that God was going to take him up to Heaven. Elijah goes to Bethel FIRST. God's prophets at Bethel then come out to meet him and warn him of the prophecy. Then Elijah went to Jericho, and God's prophets at Jericho came out to meet him to reveal the same thing. Then Elijah goes to the river Jordon, and fifty of God's prophets stood at the Jordon afar off looking. Then God took Elijah up. The mantel passed from Elijah to Elisha, and then Elisha goes back to Bethel. Then... at Bethel, a place where one of the gold calf idols was still being worshipped, a group of children come out and mock Elisha...

II Ki 2:23
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, "Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."
(KJV)

Note what their mocking words were. We're first given the pattern of God's prophets foreknowing that Elijah was to be taken by God on that day. And they gave no mockery at the event. So who's children most likely were these, that mocked the event of Elijah going up to Heaven AND the transfer of Elijah's mantel upon Elisha, and how did these children know of it? Those little children represent the children of the prophets of Baal, coming out of Bethel to meet Elisha.

 

[veteran]

If you follow the subject from 2 KIngs 2 forward, by the time God sets up Jehu as king of Israel at Samaria, a much greater cleansing of Israel's false worship from the prophets of Baal, the execution of the seventy sons of king Ahab, and even Jezebel, takes place. So understanding what was going on in those times with the battle between the prophets of Baal Jezebel setup and God's servants must be kept in mind. It was a great time of God's recompense. God used king Jehu to destroy Baal out of the northern kingdom of Israel in that time.

However, even Jehu being setup as king over Israel by God, still... he allowed the sin of the golden calfs Jeroboam setup to continue in Israel. And all the later kings of Israel (northern kingdom "house of Israel" - ten tribes only), even they allowed the golden calf idol worship sin of Jeroboam to continue. This eventually led to God bringing the kings of Assyria upon the ten tribes and taking all the house of Israel out of the land of Israel captive to the lands of the Medes, never to return. Only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi were left at Jerusalem (southern kingdom called "house of Judah").

 

[Joe67]

Gideon after the victory over the enemy, made a golden ephod ( a worship icon ) and it was a curse to his house and those who came to his house to worship.

The golden calves of worship that Jeroboam established at Bethel and Dan, to worship the Lord, are symbolic of those who take the name of Jesus, but do not eat his bread and wear his garment. They desire the name of the Lord to take away the reproach of childless widowhood, but they eat their own bread and wear their own garment.

More specifically, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes are not crucified in those who worship at the golden calves. The body of the sins of the flesh are not circumcised from their hearts and minds.

Joe

 

[ChevyRodeo]

In the New Testament, in Jesus’ ministry He cursed only one thing-- the fig tree, saying, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again,†and the fig tree withered (Mt. 21:19; Mark 11:14).