[_ Old Earth _] Death before sin?

[Grace Alone]

:B-fly: mhess,I think he believes that Eve had bad pms and cramps,and
that Adam suffered from muscle weakness and migrains before they ever
sinned and broke God's hope for them to choose good instead of evil.

Well, when God cursed Eve, He did say that her pain in childbirth would be greatly multiplied. A thing that does not exist cannot be multiplied.

 

[Asimov]

Were you there in the very beginning of life? Well,you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that "NO" you were not there!

I didn't say I was, did I? You weren't there either, and neither was anyone who wrote any part of the bible.

How you can just beat the living day lights out of a topic like that,I do not know,but I'd be afraid to see how you treat you friends and family over much more serious things if this is all it takes to get you Hot and mad!

who says I was mad? why don't address the topic at hand instead of attacking me?

 

[Guest]

Were you there in the very beginning of life? Well,you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that "NO" you were not there!

I didn't say I was, did I? You weren't there either, and neither was anyone who wrote any part of the bible.

How you can just beat the living day lights out of a topic like that,I do not know,but I'd be afraid to see how you treat you friends and family over much more serious things if this is all it takes to get you Hot and mad!

who says I was mad? why don't address the topic at hand instead of attacking me?

:Fade-color We know that The Bible has recorded history from the
beginning,so we know it's right. There isn't a better explanation in the
world than the Holy Bible about mans beginning,and end.
You appeared very upset to me. If you were not upset,then why the ugly
attitude towards those who don't agree with you?

 

[Asimov]

We know that The Bible has recorded history from the beginning,so we know it's right. There isn't a better explanation in the
world than the Holy Bible about mans beginning,and end.

You believe it's right blue. It's just a collection of mostly stories, with a spash of truth. There is no basis in fact for the Genesis account.

You appeared very upset to me. If you were not upset,then why the ugly
attitude towards those who don't agree with you?

For all you know, I might not even exist, blue, how can someone appear upset to you, when you're just reading words?

 

[Highlander]

We know that The Bible has recorded history from the beginning,so we know it's right. There isn't a better explanation in the
world than the Holy Bible about mans beginning,and end.

You believe it's right blue. It's just a collection of mostly stories, with a spash of truth. There is no basis in fact for the Genesis account.

You appeared very upset to me. If you were not upset,then why the ugly
attitude towards those who don't agree with you?

For all you know, I might not even exist, blue, how can someone appear upset to you, when you're just reading words?

Blue has a pattern of this. When she cannot answer your questions in anything more than a superficial way, she attacks you and accuses you of being, mean, nasty, upset, etc. It's her way of avoiding anything she can't answer. Her other trick is to say she answered you but you didn't like the answer. It's rather juvenile, but you'll come to understand that everything she posts sounds like something from a 15 year old.

 

[Guest]

Highlander/Blue has a pattern of this. When she cannot answer your questions in anything more than a superficial way, she attacks you and accuses you of being, mean, nasty, upset, etc. It's her way of avoiding anything she can't answer. Her other trick is to say she answered you but you didn't like the answer. It's rather juvenile, but you'll come to understand that everything she posts sounds like something from a 15 year old.

:B-fly: Ask me a question then.

 

[Guest]

We know that The Bible has recorded history from the beginning,so we know it's right. There isn't a better explanation in the
world than the Holy Bible about mans beginning,and end.

You believe it's right blue. It's just a collection of mostly stories, with a spash of truth. There is no basis in fact for the Genesis account.

You appeared very upset to me. If you were not upset,then why the ugly
attitude towards those who don't agree with you?

For all you know, I might not even exist, blue, how can someone appear upset to you, when you're just reading words?

:Fade-color Could it have anything to do with your attitude and the way
you use huge letters without notice hoping to get attention to what you
write?

 

[Guest]

:B-fly: mhess,I think he believes that Eve had bad pms and cramps,and
that Adam suffered from muscle weakness and migrains before they ever
sinned and broke God's hope for them to choose good instead of evil.

Well, when God cursed Eve, He did say that her pain in childbirth would be greatly multiplied. A thing that does not exist cannot be multiplied

:Fade-color Had she given birth before?

 

[paxigoth7]

Can we stop arguing over what did or did not happen and talk about what the stories actually mean?

The point about death is that it is an enemy. Things are not initially to include death. Death is a byproduct of sin. God did not intend for us to die or for animals to die or eat or be eaten. We brought death on ourselves, and creation, because of our sin. We live our lives, like Adam and Eve, 'east of Eden' and we long to return to how things would be were we to be in harmony with God. Jesus is the 'second Adam', for life - and life more abundantly - comes through him.

 

[mh13]

Can we stop arguing over what did or did not happen and talk about what the stories actually mean?

The point about death is that it is an enemy. Things are not initially to include death. Death is a byproduct of sin. God did not intend for us to die or for animals to die or eat or be eaten. We brought death on ourselves, and creation, because of our sin. We live our lives, like Adam and Eve, 'east of Eden' and we long to return to how things would be were we to be in harmony with God. Jesus is the 'second Adam', for life - and life more abundantly - comes through him.

Wow, I don't usually agree with you but, Nice post!

 

[Asimov]

Could it have anything to do with your attitude and the way
you use huge letters without notice hoping to get attention to what you
write?

My letters are the same size as yours, blue. I bold them for my benefit, so I can easily look back at previous threads and find my posts. It is no different than you using that stupid butterfly/smilies.

My curtness is a result of your deceit, which I have no patience for.

 

[Guest]

:wink: And like all enemies,it too will one day be destroyed,amen.

 

[Guest]

The Tuatha'an/
My letters are the same size as yours, blue. I bold them for my benefit, so I can easily look back at previous threads and find my posts. It is no different than you using that stupid butterfly/smilies.

My curtness is a result of your deceit, which I have no patience for.

:roll: You are very heavy handed when someone doesn't accept what
you try to preach,and I have a very difficult time trying to understand how
you get the gall and the nerve to act as though you are superior and better than others. You have such an arrogance about you.
I have still tried to tolerate you though,despite all of it.
Those with the least tolerance are also the ones with the least
amount of information.

 

[Asimov]

You are very heavy handed when someone doesn't accept what you try to preach,and I have a very difficult time trying to understand how you get the gall and the nerve to act as though you are superior and better than others.

You shore do like to make them assumptions. So you think that because you lie, spread false information, and deceive helpless children that you're somehow my equal? :P

You have such an arrogance about you.
I have still tried to tolerate you though,despite all of it.
Those with the least tolerance are also the ones with the least
amount of information.

Baaaahahahahaha...blue. Do you tolerate homosexuals?? Do you tolerate people of other religions? Do you tolerate atheists? It seems you are the one with arrogance. You prance around this forum as if you are somehow more perfect than anyone else because you don't accept anything that resembles reality. You just insulted yourself.

 

[Sophistress]

:roll: You are very heavy handed

He's only trying to educate you. You should be thanking him.

when someone doesn't accept what
you try to preach,

Only when the person doesn't accept it simply because they're dimwits and refuse to believe the evidence even when it's presented to them time and time and time again.

and I have a very difficult time trying to understand

That sentence should end with "anything".

how
you get the gall and the nerve to act as though you are superior and better than others.

If, when you say "superior" you mean intellectually, then yes, he is far superior to you. Of course, you suffer from self-inflicted ignorance, which is the worse kind although not completely untreatable.

You have such an arrogance about you.

What is arrogant is when people refuse to look at the evidence objectively and then accuse people who do of being immoral and such.

I have still tried to tolerate you though,despite all of it.

You have shown no tolerance; only random brain farts and "amens" here and there. Oh, and we can't forget your usual accusation that we hate God.

Those with the least tolerance are also the ones with the least
amount of information.

Something we agree on. Ignorance does breed intolerance, and that is where you're at.

 

[paxigoth7]

I tolerate gays, world religions, secular atheists as well as Christian atheists; and all sorts of other minority groups...

afterall, I myself am... gothic.

 

[Guest]

The Tuatha'an/You shore do like to make them assumptions. So you think that because you lie, spread false information, and deceive helpless children that you're somehow my equal?
:wink: Your spelling is extremely bad,just as your manners are.
Of course I tolerate others. I may not agree with their lifestyle,but
I tolerate them. I'm here on a christian forum and I am not seeking
out others to judge them or pick on them. I am very tolerant,unlike
yourself.
You want a pat on the back for your immoral life-style and you blame
me because I won't give it to you.
You believe that there is no God,so you'd better be right,huh?
Especially after all the nasty things you wrote about him.
You have no evidence and no support,yet you keep on with your
silly babel.

 

[Guest]

[quote="Heathen/Those with the least tolerance are also the ones with the least
amount of information.

Something we agree on. Ignorance does breed intolerance, and that is where you're at.

8-) I don't need a little side-kick to help me fight my battles for me
as you always do. Just one of me here,so what are you so afraid of?
I am here because I have had a great many debates with my
fellow christians and I have learned alot,and tolerance is one of them.
I have grown and I have a better understanding of the opinions of others
and I owe that to all the true christians here for helping me mature in
God's holy word.

:D Thats why I am here.
I have tolerance for others,I just don't have to accept nasty lie's about
God,and I am not going to sugar coat the truth for you.
You will walk away from this knowing that you cannot take over this
message board as long as true believers are here.
Not only is your religion non-tolerant,but it's also racists,cruel and very
disgusting. "The Long War Against God" by Henry Morris explains it all
very well,amen.
Underneath all your arrogance and the false idea that you are wise,is
no doubt a great deal of self loathing .

 

[Guest]

[quote="The Tuatha'an/you are the one with arrogance. You prance around this forum as if you are somehow more perfect than anyone else because you don't accept anything that resembles reality. You just insulted yourself.

:wink: You call reading alot of science fiction books and magazines
reality? No wonder you are in the state of confusion that you are in!
You haven't got a clue to reality,and if you ever had,you'd of never
left it. Get out of Babylon before your babel causes you to choke on
your words some more.

 

[mh13]

sic 'em BLUE!
I commend you for your patience Blue. These forums tire me out.
People in creation/evolution forums (not just here but on other forum sites as well) are soooooooo nasty, hateful and mean that it just isn't even enjoyable posting sometimes...