Bible Study Did God intend the Temple to be built?

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Jeremiah 2:7
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.


Hebrews 11:9
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Alternate information?
Romans 7:25 seems to show dual citizenship (one flesh, the other reborn mind).

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Isaiah 66:1 (KJV)
1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Good question since the temple of Solomon was standing at the time.

See Genesis 3:9 for how God queries the guilty.

Acts 7:47-50 (KJV)
47 But Solomon built him an house.
48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

2 Samuel 7:1-7 (KJV)
1 And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies;
2 That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains.
3 And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee.
4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,
5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.
7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?

Talk about context...

And???

2 Samuel 7:12-13 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Solomon's Kingdom forever?
One generation after Solomon his kingdom was split in two. In 586 BCE it was kaput. The kingdom never recovered. The fallen tent of David will be restored in the future (in the new Jerusalem). But Solomon? Nope. Even if you count Judea as Solomonic it ended in 70 CE and was plowed under in 125 CE. The modern state of Israel is not Solomon or David.

So I reiterate that the seed of David's bowels is Jesus Christ referred to in 2 Samuel 7:12-13.

I fully agree that Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Messianic prophecy. However, Solomon, as the wisest of men, is a prophetic type to illustrate the futility of faith in man verses faith in God. Even with unsurpassed God given wisdom and wealth, Solomon failed at that which Jesus, being God, has succeeded. This doesn't mean that Solomon and all he accomplished was never intended, only that his ultimate failure was something we are to learn from as preparation for Jesus Christ. See 1 Ki 9:1-9

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Branch = n'tsar (nazarene) Yshua HaNotzri (Jesus the Nazarene)... and until Jesus became a man the King of the Jews and our High Priest... a priest could not reign.

And???

Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

1 Corinthians 3:16-18 (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

1 Peter 2:3-9 (KJV)
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The tabernacle was prophetic of the Church (the Temple of God).

In the most general sense, yes. But at a more consistent level the tabernacle prefigures the temple, just as the first covenant prefigures the second covenant; the first being temporary until the second is established as permanent. Neither the physical tabernacle or temple still exists, but that doesn't mean they weren't intended, only that they fulfilled their intended purpose as prophetic types illustrating the progression of God's redemptive plan for mankind.

 

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Let us not forget the wisest man married foreign women he was warned about.
He built several pagan temples throughout the holy land for the gods of his wives.
Dan was the first tribe to go into idolatry.
Solomon was the first king to do so. To the point that God was willing to tear the kingdom from him but for the sake of David only did so during the reign of Solomon's son.
There is a part of Solomon the Spirit was able to use (the Proverbs, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, and I believe a psalm or two). But there is no doubt about the error of this the wisest man (which I believe is a valuable lesson if not the point of making him so wise). The wisest of humans fails.
Human wisdom is not wisdom at all... not compared to even the foolishness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:25 (KJV)
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[JohnD]

Forever in the passage means the Omniscient God was not talking about Solomon. Not even as a prophetic pantomime of the messiah.
2 Samuel 7:12-13 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

 

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Forever, Sinthesis.

 

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Hebrews 8:5 (KJV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

"And David gave Solomon the pattern for the temple also as a shadow of things to come..." does not appear in the verse. Nor can the temple be the fulfillment of the tabernacle pattern according to this verse since it goes straight to the heavenly reality of the prophetic shadow of the tabernacle.

 

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Let us not forget the wisest man married foreign women he was warned about.
He built several pagan temples throughout the holy land for the gods of his wives.
Dan was the first tribe to go into idolatry.
Solomon was the first king to do so. To the point that God was willing to tear the kingdom from him but for the sake of David only did so during the reign of Solomon's son.
There is a part of Solomon the Spirit was able to use (the Proverbs, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, and I believe a psalm or two). But there is no doubt about the error of this the wisest man (which I believe is a valuable lesson if not the point of making him so wise). The wisest of humans fails.
Human wisdom is not wisdom at all... not compared to even the foolishness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:25 (KJV)
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

I would be interested in how The tribe of Dan was the first tribe to fall into idolatry. Idolatry was a problem was a problem from way back (hiding idols under saddle).

Ezekiel 20:7
Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.
9 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were, in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt.

It amazes me that the worship of idols was going on in Egypt (where they were), and God (for his name sake did no destroy them there).

I always thought the wonderful innocent people of God were brought out of Egypt. I had no idea God almost destroyed / punished them in Egypt (but for his namesake did not).

He ultimately was going to place Holy Spirit in man (the temple made by God Himself).

The Ezekiel mention of idols was a hind sight declaration (kind of like a modern Paul Harvey - rest of the story). The story Steven told got him stoned.

Moses was almost killed at the start of his ministry (for not circumsizing his son). The chosen people were almost destroyed in Egypt and the wilderness, but were spared. God sent his Son to die for all men's sins.

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I looked up Dan, and it turns out that Dan's idols were the idols of Egypt.

I Kings 12:26-29
26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:
27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, evenunto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.
28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.

Idol worship was more secret for a time, but did become open.

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Boy am I slow.
Slowly I am seeing the difference and similarities in our viewpoints (and I am supposed to know this ).

JohnD "Once Israel went down the path of the monarchy and the temple, they were seldom in God's good graces for any length of time until both were vanquished." OP# 1

eddif I tend to look at the secret man of the heart. King David was externally (fleshly) messed up at times, but in his heart he sought God. The new mind is yet to come.
Romans 7:25 is yet off in the future.

We agree in many points.

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