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Did God make other men on earth before he created Adam?

Do yoDo you believe it is evidenced that God made men before Adam to fish and hunt and Adam to till

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CherubRam said:
It means that the person is of a very low moral grade.
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Nephillim also can also refer to angelic beings, which is a more probable cause for fallen angels plus women to equal giants, rather than evil men and women to equal giant notorious men.

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Nephilim: Hebrew word nāp̄îl: meaning "giants"

From Strongs H5303
 
Free said:
It didn’t. That word is translated as “old” and appears at the end of the verse. “Nephilim” or “giants” is the Hebrew word nephiyl/nephil (H5303), which is at the beginning of the verse.
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What I see in the Hebrew at the beginning are 08034 msh, 0376 ysna and 05769 mlwem
Not 05303
which occurs at the end unless One reads the end of the passage before the beginning
 
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Free said:
Even if true, that still doesn't prove your claim. King James almost certainly didn't do any of the translating himself, but left it to those who had the relevant expertise. Modern translations largely agree with the KJV but have nothing to do with Masons.
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On July 14, 1889, Pike gave instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of
the World: "That which we must say to the crowd is, We worship a God,
but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you
Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the
highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say
this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and
30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of
the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine .
. . Yes, Lucifer is God . . . the pure philosophical religion is the
belief in Lucifer . . . Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good . . ."
(Decker, op. cit., p. 6). With this admission, is it any wonder that
Pike is called the "Pontiff of Luciferian Freemasonry" (Waite, op.
cit., Vol. II, p. 253)?

Isaiah 14:12 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 NIV
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

It was Israel who once laid low the nations around it. Person-s of God are given the title "Morning Star-s."
 
Corinth77777 said:
What I see in the Hebrew at the beginning are 08034 msh, 0376 ysna and 05769 mlwem
Not 05303
That occurs at the end unless One reads the end before the beginning
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It appears that you are reading the verse from the bottom up. But, while Hebrew is read from right to left, it is read from top to bottom; not from left to right, bottom to top. Even then, there is simply no way to conclude that olam (H5769) is being translated as Nephilim by anyone.

Please post the verse from whichever translation you are using. Here is the ESV, which agrees with every version:

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

"The Nephilim" (H5303) is the first word(s) that appears in the Hebrew; "old" (H5769) is right near the end.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm
 
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CherubRam said:
On July 14, 1889, Pike gave instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of
the World: "That which we must say to the crowd is, We worship a God,
but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you
Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the
highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say
this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and
30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of
the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine .
. . Yes, Lucifer is God . . . the pure philosophical religion is the
belief in Lucifer . . . Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good . . ."
(Decker, op. cit., p. 6). With this admission, is it any wonder that
Pike is called the "Pontiff of Luciferian Freemasonry" (Waite, op.
cit., Vol. II, p. 253)?

Isaiah 14:12 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 NIV
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

It was Israel who once laid low the nations around it. Person-s of God are given the title "Morning Star-s."
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Okay. But this still doesn't prove your claim.
 
Free said:
It appears that you are reading the verse from the bottom up. But, while Hebrew is read from left to right, it is read from top to bottom; not from left to right, bottom to top. Even then, there is simply no way to conclude that olam (H5769) is being translated as Nephilim by anyone.

Please post the verse from whichever translation you are using. Here is the ESV, which agrees with every version:

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

"The Nephilim" (H5303) is the first word(s) that appears in the Hebrew; "old" (H5769) is right near the end.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm
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Its in Hebrew
 
Free said:
It appears that you are reading the verse from the bottom up. But, while Hebrew is read from left to right, it is read from top to bottom; not from left to right, bottom to top. Even then, there is simply no way to conclude that olam (H5769) is being translated as Nephilim by anyone.

Please post the verse from whichever translation you are using. Here is the ESV, which agrees with every version:

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

"The Nephilim" (H5303) is the first word(s) that appears in the Hebrew; "old" (H5769) is right near the end.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm
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Free said:
That supports what I said.


“Of old” simply means “from before,” as in the days of old; not “people of old age.”
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I am inferring from the previous context that God said His Spirit would not always strive with men...
And so my thought is that the ancient or of old that seems to be called Nephilim may be referring to those who lived very long lives until the days of human age decreased.

Yet I have not studied that far 😕
 
Free said:
It appears that you are reading the verse from the bottom up. But, while Hebrew is read from left to right, it is read from top to bottom; not from left to right, bottom to top. Even then, there is simply no way to conclude that olam (H5769) is being translated as Nephilim by anyone.

Please post the verse from whichever translation you are using. Here is the ESV, which agrees with every version:

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

"The Nephilim" (H5303) is the first word(s) that appears in the Hebrew; "old" (H5769) is right near the end.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm
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How does that support what you said when you said the word is Nephilim. I SHOWED THOSE THREE WORDS NONE OF THEM SAY nephal until u get to the end of the verse..

Those are Hebrew words I was looking at not all those translations versions
 
Corinth77777 said:
How does that support what you said when you said the word is Nephilim.
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Look at every English translation; they have it translated correctly, where "the Nephilim" or "giants" is at the start of the verse.

Corinth77777 said:
I SHOWED THOSE THREE WORDS NONE OF THEM SAY nephal until u get to the end of the verse..

Those are Hebrew words I was looking at not all those translations versions
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I see that I misspoke above. Hebrew reads right to left; it's backwards from English. You're reading it left to right, which is the end of the verse. I'll correct what I wrote, lest someone else get confused.

Look at the link I provided for Genesis 6 in the interlinear. Notice that the first word(s) of verse 4 are "the Nephilim," and it matches with what English translations say.
 
Corinth77777 said:
unless One reads the end of the passage before the beginning
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Hi Corinth77777

I suppose you're not particularly familiar with Hebrew, but yes, it is read backward from our reading practice of left to right. This means that what you see at the end of a Hebrew sentence is really what's at the beginning of the sentence.

Just thought you'd like to know.

God bless,
Ted
 
Anyway to conclude my understanding on that aspect of scripture I'd say the sons of God were the Godly line of Seth that mingled with the unGodly. Therefore unequally yoked.
 
Corinth77777 said:
I turned on my TV and it was Arnold Murray who my daughter did quick research after He mistakenly said Moses instead of Noah in the segment of the show where people asked questions and answers; only to find what their church believed and that He passed away.

Well I'd brought her and her spouse in on this to see if she could help me understand something else, so I recorded it for them to see later. Before I knew it another 😖 perplexing question came up. Anyway later I googled His name and found His teaching on the subject. I still am slow at trying to understand when he explains the language part.

Now when I read Genesis back when I remembered that it seemed like the author was giving an overview first, and then explains the detail in another paragraph.

But what is your take on his teaching 🤔. Do you agree with Him? And if so why, and if not why?


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What about other women? As the first women was from man. Bones of his bones and flesh of his flesh. And the man called her women for she came out of man.

Paul wrote the first man was of the dust of the earth. So how did God bring about, (create), these other men before Adam?

And of importance to all the 2nd man was from heaven.
 
Corinth77777 said:
One thing I learned is Im going to dwelve into a subject. To prove it correct or false. I attend Church, been in church all my life. And ? Nothing wrong with youtube, I think we ought to know what doctrines are out there.
I have not read His understanding of the trinity as yet to even know where He is coming from. Most people can't explain the trinity. Does that make them Hell bound?
His mere arrogance makes me suspicious lol.
I'm not running. Many things we learn in church are not always correct.
And I do read my Bible, and the Bible alone is not going to go into the Hebrew or greek etc. Nor will I take my understanding without cross examining with the word of God. But tks for your concern.
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Youtube! Is like Wikipedia, a place to start one's research and to use that research to validate other you tube videos.
That why I say stop watching you tube.

As you research your beliefs, be the ' friendly knowledge' church member who challenges preachers.

Any preacher who will not talk to you about what they are teaching is one not worth being at church for.
If a church member talk to your minister about this and especially if a visiting preach brushes you off.
 
Who Me said:
Youtube! Is like Wikipedia, a place to start one's research and to use that research to validate other you tube videos.
That why I say stop watching you tube.

As you research your beliefs, be the ' friendly knowledge' church member who challenges preachers.

Any preacher who will not talk to you about what they are teaching is one not worth being at church for.
If a church member talk to your minister about this and especially if a visiting preach brushes you off.
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Rather youtube or church The Spirits, what comes out of a man's mouth is stills subject to the word of God. I go to Sunday School, attend Synergy on Monday...all from a book with commentary or interpretation by men. I don't agree with everything a teacher, pastor, or group facilitator says unless it's backed up by the word. And even then depending on the subject we all could be wrong. Gee many pastors and Teachers are online. I do not believe most people want to misrepresent the word.

But in this case I'd still want to know what someone's view is and if there is any validation behind it. And even if I may agree.

I find that many people say things based on tradition, and many can't explain why they believe what they believe.
 
Randy said:
What about other women? As the first women was from man. Bones of his bones and flesh of his flesh. And the man called her women for she came out of man.
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He probably would say that she is the first woman of the Living, that the seed; Jesus would come through.
Randy said:
Paul wrote the first man was of the dust of the earth. So how did God bring about, (create), these other men before Adam?
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Well that was part of my original post. Scripture does say first, He created men and blew the breath of life into their nostrils.

I thought that was an overview, in which it still could be. For long ago in other places in Genesis I see an overview of the subject first, and then it explains how.

Well He believe the overview is when He created all nation. And what I would call the going into detail, He believes is another story about a Special man Adam who Jesus would come from, and therefore Eve would become the mother of the living.
Randy said:
And of importance to all the 2nd man was from heaven.
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True, but that would not disrupt his argument.

I'll post the passage
 
Randy said:
What about other women? As the first women was from man. Bones of his bones and flesh of his flesh. And the man called her women for she came out of man.

Paul wrote the first man was of the dust of the earth. So how did God bring about, (create), these other men before Adam?

And of importance to all the 2nd man was from heaven.
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Bible tells about people living before Adam

Tradition has become stronger than scripture regarding humans living before Adam. See Bible references to people alive before God placed Adam in Garden of Eden.
www.thinkersbiblestudies.com www.thinkersbiblestudies.com
 
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