Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

[GodsGrace]

Witness2u

I would really like to know when our flesh gets burned up.

Thanks

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

Satan and the Beast were intended as the authority to use God's people to subvert the Law of God ( Tree of Life ) known as the Word of God that caused them to read the Bible without knowing the Spirit of God ( Holy Spirit ), which is the only teacher of the Truth ( Tree of Life ).

All the visible churches you see on Earth were built with human hands according to God's Beast. They will all be melted in the Fire of God soon.

Acts 4:32
Those of us who believe should be of one heart and soul.
We might have slight differences in our beliefs, but they should all be able to stand scrutiny.
Your beliefs are beyond scripture and do not represent what God would want us to know.
He has decided to let be known to us only what HE desires - we cannot add to that.

As far as the church - where would we be without the church? And I do mean church with a small c. The buildings, the institutions.
Acts 5:38-39
The Apostles went on to preach in the temple and from house to house. Jesus said that we are to be baptized and we are to receive communion. A church is necessary for both of these acts.

It is blasphemy to call the church of God a product of satan. It is God's will that we be of like-mind.
Mathew 12:22-32

Wondering

 

[smaller]

God called what He created very good, which included Adam and Eve.

I haven't slurred or denigrated Adam or Eve in anything I've noted from the scriptures. I've observed the opposite, that Adam was Gods son. Luke 3:38.

Also noted that in Gods Hands, everything works for good. But without Gods Hands upon "all things" there is no such sight. Romans 8:28.

There were many things in the Garden, that in and of themselves, apart from Gods Hands, that were not good, and the scriptures show this, easily and clearly seen, and duly noted prior.

There is no sin or evil mentioned being in what God created, whether in the earth or in Adam.

Not true whatsoever. The serpent is a God created being who has adverse to God powers. Of itself, the serpent was not and is not "very good." I deny that the serpent was "very good." The first specific showing of the serpent in protology is not good. Gen. 3:1.

Please provide the verse contained within this account of God's creation, whereby there was sin or evil created by God whether in Adam or in Eve.

God created "all things." There is no way to avoid this fact of scripture.

Colossians 1:16-17
King James Version (KJV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Did God make the serpent? Uh, yes. And made it what it is, with "all" of it's intended purposes. I appreciate people's intentions trying to avoid this conclusion. At the heart of it though, the people who do this do not see God as Greater than any thing or power He created. I do. There is where the difficulty is for people who don't think this is the case, and they falsely equate God to a 'created thing' or a 'created power.'

 

[smaller]

Satan and the Beast were intended as the authority to use God's people to subvert the Law of God ( Tree of Life ) known as the Word of God that caused them to read the Bible without knowing the Spirit of God ( Holy Spirit ), which is the only teacher of the Truth ( Tree of Life ).

All the visible churches you see on Earth were built with human hands according to God's Beast. They will all be melted in the Fire of God soon.

Ah, somebody gets it! Very good!

The works of Satan are shown to be all the churches of Revelation. Of course few can really fess up to that fact, or even less, fess up to the fact of evil present and sin dwelling in the flesh, honestly. And yes, that is a work of the chief liar, in the flesh, rather than putting on honesty. Romans 7:17-21, Gal. 5:17, Romans 13:11-13, etc. Honesty is Divinely Pleasant clothing, even if the conclusions of honesty are not "pretty."

The "beast" was predestined to be made, by God. And predestined to be destroyed by God.

In between, there is resistance. That's where we all sit today.

 

[smaller]

There is a reason our Father told Adam NOT TO EAT from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that Eve ate from and was deceived by the Serpent ( Satan ). Once Eve was deceived by Satan, all her thoughts started coming from what she ate of in the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Then she spoke to Adam and deceived Adam with her voice that came from Satan. Adam began listening to the voice of Eve and that's when the voice of the Lord ( Tree of Life ) was rejected by Adam. Adam begin eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil that contained all the thoughts and visible things known as Satan ( Lucifer, or the Devil ). Ever since then, the offspring of Adam and Eve kept eating of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil with Satan totally filling their minds with good and evil thoughts including good and evil things in the world they were experiencing with their created senses.

It took the plan of God to reveal the Tree of Life through the testimonies of His prophets and saints. During the 1,000 year reign of Christ which is ending very soon, God revealed to us exactly what the Tree of Life is and how it was used to convert His thoughts into the invisible thoughts and visible world that we created beings experience.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.

I very much enjoy what you've shared so far, from a newbie no less. Congratulations. Now you'll have to run the litmus tests of sectarianism(s). If you have been gifted with sight, the gauntlets are as nothing. We can do nothing against the Truth, but for it. 2 Cor. 13:8, Luke 21:15.

 

[JLB]

I haven't slurred or denigrated Adam or Eve in anything I've noted from the scriptures. I've observed the opposite, that Adam was Gods son. Luke 3:38.

Whom you say was created by God with evil within him.

Not true whatsoever. The serpent is a God created being who has adverse to God powers. Of itself, the serpent was not and is not "very good." I deny that the serpent was "very good." The first specific showing of the serpent in protology is not good. Gen. 3:1.

Please show from the account of the creation of man, here in Genesis 1:26-31 where God created man with sin in him, or the serpent in him, or evil in him.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:26-31


Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.


God says that everything He made was very good.

That includes Adam.


Do you believe that Adam was created as good?



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

Ah, somebody gets it! Very good!

The works of Satan are shown to be all the churches of Revelation. Of course few can really fess up to that fact, or even less, fess up to the fact of evil present and sin dwelling in the flesh, honestly. And yes, that is a work of the chief liar, in the flesh, rather than putting on honesty. Romans 7:17-21, Gal. 5:17, Romans 13:11-13, etc. Honesty is Divinely Pleasant clothing, even if the conclusions of honesty are not "pretty."

The "beast" was predestined to be made, by God. And predestined to be destroyed by God.

In between, there is resistance. That's where we all sit today.

Clarify this, Smaller:

If God created the beast and the evil that ensues, that means that I am not responsible for my sin or my sins.
This means we are all going to heaven?

W

 

[JLB]

Clarify this, Smaller:

If God created the beast and the evil that ensues, that means that I am not responsible for my sin or my sins.
This means we are all going to heaven?

W

That's what he teaches.

That sin within our flesh is really Satan.

It is Satan that does the sinning, so we are not responsible for the sins we commit.


JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

That's what he teaches.

That sin within our flesh is really Satan.

It is Satan that does the sinning, so we are not responsible for the sins we commit.

JLB

When we stray from scripture, we run into problems we are not willing to admit.

If we're all going to heaven, for instance, why did Jesus spend so much time teaching us how NOT to go to the everlasting punishment where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, where the gate is wide and leads to destruction and where the branches will be cut off and burned.

I await the answer to the above.

Wondering

 

[Free]

Jesus knew that all the flesh of man would be destroyed at the end of the age and that all the flesh that perishes prior to that one hour event on the day of the Lord are already dissolved into nothing but waves again.

What do you mean by "all the flesh of man"? What "one hour event"? What do you mean by "nothing but waves again"?

When Jesus was speaking, He was always talking about the spiritual men made both male and female who would be saved on the ONE and only Resurrection.

By "spiritual men" are you referring to "mankind," to all humans?

Jesus knew the first death was the spiritual death of all God's people birthed into the world without knowing anything about the invisible spirit of God. This is why God's people need to be taught that we all came from an invisible realm.

Are you saying we existed as spiritual beings prior to being born on Earth?

Jesus knew his own flesh deceived him of His true spiritual birth in the Mind of our Father.

What do you mean by "His true spiritual birth in the Mind of our Father"? Please provide evidence from Scripture to back up your claim.

He learned that his flesh was formed within the Mind of God as an illusion which means our visible bodies are not real people made out of material things.

Our physical bodies are just an illusion? Again, please provide evidence from Scripture to back up your claim.

 

[turnorburn]

Witness2u says: "It's impossible to use the scriptures to teach the very deep knowledge of God."

 

[Northman]

Are you saying that God created the devil as an evil being?

I dont think Ive read anything in the Word to support that idea, so no, I cant say that I do believe that.

 

[JLB]

That's correct.

So you believe their is no difference between Satan and sin?

And you want to talk about the deep things of God???

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

This scripture teaches that the person [he] who sins is of the devil.
The devil himself sinned. Not that the devil is sin, but the devil sinned.

and again

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:13-15

• ...each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
• ...when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
• ...and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

That's how each person will be held responsible for there own sin.




JLB

 

[JLB]

I dont think Ive read anything in the Word to support that idea, so no, I cant say that I do believe that.

:amen

 

[JLB]

When we stray from scripture, we run into problems we are not willing to admit.

If we're all going to heaven, for instance, why did Jesus spend so much time teaching us how NOT to go to the everlasting punishment where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, where the gate is wide and leads to destruction and where the branches will be cut off and burned.

I await the answer to the above.

Wondering

I will have to agree with you.

 

[FreeGrace]

That's what he teaches.

That sin within our flesh is really Satan.

It is Satan that does the sinning, so we are not responsible for the sins we commit.


JLB

Let's also add to that view that God created evil Satan to tempt the woman. It's all on Satan in his view.

 

[FreeGrace]

turnorburn said: ↑
Witness2u says: "It's impossible to use the scriptures to teach the very deep knowledge of God.

Only God can use the scriptures to prove to us saints that we are preaching the true Gospel for Him.

Which means we have to use to Scripture to know the deep things of God.

 

[Northman]

What question did you ask that I did not answer?

Please post it.



JLB

If God didn't invent sin do you think we would still be dealing with those problems here on earth?

Was the first one.

Wasnt that version of "perfect" used to describe Job and Noah as well? Fluid prophecies about and against nations and then "WHOOP" wrench in the middle of them? Right after God says "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, thus says the Lord God:" ?

Was the second set, granted the last two are dealing with the same thing.

When someone asks me questions and I answer, then I ask questions and get no answers while other questions still come at me that Im answering, well, it makes me feel like Im being talked at rather than having a conversation.

 

[Northman]

That's what happens when we walk Hand in hand with The Truth.

The order of steps to get there...
Evil working for good. Talk about rough.

 

[Northman]

But you're wrong about the meaning of "beginning".

Im very interested in this.