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Bible Study DID GOD REALLY TELL SOLOMON TO BUILD A TEMPLE?

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JohnD

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Before you think this an absurd question...

I was witnessing on a Jewish countermissionary thread in the Messianic Jewish board in my old AOL days in the late 1990's on this very topic. A very informed rabbi (RabbiJT) with whom I crossed sword many times over the years then could not biblically prove that King Solomon was commanded by God to build the first Jewish Temple. That is was rather a biblical record of Solomon's and David's claims... (Solomon says). And the good rabbi had to concede the argument with the proviso that because it happened the way it did it must be the Lord's will. And I countered (with no rebuttal) that scripture many times will record an historic event or speech without endorsing it.

Hebrews 8:5 (KJV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

No such vision was shown to Solomon or David.

All claims by Solomon (1 Kings 8) were "Solomon says" statements. And you will notice that every celebratory sacrifice Solomon offered broke the Law of Moses.

This is true about David's claim 2 Chronicles 6:9 (which was a misinterpretation of 2 Samuel 7:12-13).

2 Chronicles 6:9 (KJV)
9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.

2 Samuel 7:12-13 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Which the Lord clarified:

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

As clearly a Messianic prophecy and not Solomon.

Understand, God did concede to deal with the Jewish people for the remainder of the Old Covenant through the Temple and its system once this was carried out. Which is why he DID tell Zerubbabel to RE-build the Temple.

God compromises?

He certainly does.

Read 1 Samuel 8 and see how he conceded to deal with Israel through the monarchical system from that time forward in the Old Covenant.

You will note in neither concession did the Jews fare very well henceforth.

God's intention was to reign through the Judges and Prophets. And for the only replacement temple for the Tabernacle to be the bodies of believers in the New Covenant.

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
 
JohnD said:
Before you think this an absurd question...

I was witnessing on a Jewish countermissionary thread in the Messianic Jewish board in my old AOL days in the late 1990's on this very topic. A very informed rabbi (RabbiJT) with whom I crossed sword many times over the years then could not biblically prove that King Solomon was commanded by God to build the first Jewish Temple. That is was rather a biblical record of Solomon's and David's claims... (Solomon says). And the good rabbi had to concede the argument with the proviso that because it happened the way it did it must be the Lord's will. And I countered (with no rebuttal) that scripture many times will record an historic event or speech without endorsing it.

Hebrews 8:5 (KJV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

No such vision was shown to Solomon or David.

All claims by Solomon (1 Kings 8) were "Solomon says" statements. And you will notice that every celebratory sacrifice Solomon offered broke the Law of Moses.

This is true about David's claim 2 Chronicles 6:9 (which was a misinterpretation of 2 Samuel 7:12-13).

2 Chronicles 6:9 (KJV)
9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.

2 Samuel 7:12-13 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Which the Lord clarified:

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

As clearly a Messianic prophecy and not Solomon.

Understand, God did concede to deal with the Jewish people for the remainder of the Old Covenant through the Temple and its system once this was carried out. Which is why he DID tell Zerubbabel to RE-build the Temple.

God compromises?

He certainly does.

Read 1 Samuel 8 and see how he conceded to deal with Israel through the monarchical system from that time forward in the Old Covenant.

You will note in neither concession did the Jews fare very well henceforth.

God's intention was to reign through the Judges and Prophets. And for the only replacement temple for the Tabernacle to be the bodies of believers in the New Covenant.

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV)
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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The answer is Yes, God called Solomon to build the Temple.

19 Nevertheless you shall not build the temple, but your son who will come from your body, he shall build the temple for My name.' 1 Kings 8:19


This was told to Moses as part of the law of Moses for the children of Israel.

10 But when you cross over the Jordan and dwell in the land which the Lord your God is giving you to inherit, and He gives you rest from all your enemies round about, so that you dwell in safety, 11 then there will be the place where the Lord your God chooses to make His name abide. There you shall bring all that I command you: your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the heave offerings of your hand, and all your choice offerings which you vow to the Lord. Deuteronomy 12:10-11

Furthermore -

Cyrus, a type of Messiah was called by God to [re]build the Temple and the city.

It is through his "command" that started the prophetic clock for Daniels 70 weeks to begin.

28 Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." ' Isaiah 44:28


1 "Thus says the Lord to His anointed, To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held-- To subdue nations before him And loose the armor of kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut: 2 'I will go before you And make the crooked places straight; I will break in pieces the gates of bronze And cut the bars of iron. 3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the Lord, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel... 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward," Says the Lord of hosts. Isaiah 45:1-3,13

and again -

1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, 2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Ezra 1:1-2


JLB
 
God did ask Solomon to build the temple but only because David wanted to build it for God. God told David no but allowed Solomon to build the temple. God never did ask anyone to build the temple though.
 
god allowed and honored the decision for the temple and in the book of exodus it shew the pattern of the temple. and also another one was to be built if isreal repented of her sins. its in Ezekiel 40-48
 
Clearly God accepted the temple that Solomon built. Scripture consistently refers to it as the 'temple of the Lord'. Of course Solomon was not Christ, so the physical temple was doomed, but it points us to the fulfillment of the type by Christ and in the Body of Christ.
 
I do not like the title of the original post...

"DID GOD REALLY TELL SOLOMON TO BUILD A TEMPLE?"

Because it sounds like what Satan said to Eve in the garden.

Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden?" GEN 3

Sorry! Just had to post because it bothered me.
 
Sinthesis said:
Clearly God accepted the temple that Solomon built. Scripture consistently refers to it as the 'temple of the Lord'. Of course Solomon was not Christ, so the physical temple was doomed, but it points us to the fulfillment of the type by Christ and in the Body of Christ.
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What about the Temple in heaven, where God's throne is?

Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. Revelation 7:15

God dwells in a Temple in Heaven. Jesus Christ is seated at His Right hand.


JLB
 
JLB said:
What about the Temple in heaven, where God's throne is?

Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. Revelation 7:15

God dwells in a Temple in Heaven. Jesus Christ is seated at His Right hand.


JLB
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Often in the Bible the term 'in Heaven' does not describe a physical place, but a quality of righteous perfection. The term 'right hand' is descriptive of one who exercises the authority of the ruler.

Rev 7:15 is describing Jesus' Church as His Body on earth today, where Christianity spiritually fulfills the physical type of the OT man-made temple, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in the hearts of Believers rather than a building of stone.
 
Sinthesis said:
Often in the Bible the term 'in Heaven' does not describe a physical place, but a quality of righteous perfection. The term 'right hand' is descriptive of one who exercises the authority of the ruler.

Rev 7:15 is describing Jesus' Church as His Body on earth today, where Christianity spiritually fulfills the physical type of the OT man-made temple, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in the hearts of Believers rather than a building of stone.
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The Church fulfills the OT physical Temple.

This does not negate the fact that there is a temple in Heaven, as John was called "up here" to be shown things...

Moses was shown the things of which he made a copy of, an earthly replica.

Heaven is a real place.


JLB
 
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