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Did Jeremiah 4:23-28 Take Place Already ?

Lewis

Lewis

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I was watching TBN a few years ago and Benny Hinn was teaching that day with only Paul Crouch on the show that day. But Benny said something that I will never forget, and that is that Jeremiah 4:23-28 has already happend, and he did explain why and I can't remember most of it, but it had something to do with demons and some kind of cities that were here on earth. I wish I could remember all of what he said, but does anybody know something about Jeremiah 4:23-28 ? I know some people say that it is a revelation that Jeremiah was having. I know that it does sound just like Genesis 1:2. But I want to learn more about Jeremiah 4:23-28.

Jeremiah 4:23-28 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

28For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


 
I'll weigh in with my opinion....

It has taken place...I am a proponent of the Gap Theory....I believe this to have taken place between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

The Jeremiah 4 passage along with Eze 28 are the basis for an age previous to Gen 1:2. This could account for a young earth (this age) as wll as items that may be found in crypto archeology as well as things such as dino's etc.....

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

May allude to a period were the water cover the earth in Gen 1:2. In other words an earth of a previoud age may have become covered with water and started again...Gen 1:3......

Theory only...
 
The Jeremiah 4 passage along with Eze 28 are the basis for an age previous to Gen 1:2. This could account for a young earth (this age) as wll as items that may be found in crypto archeology as well as things such as dino's etc.....
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That is sort of what Benny was saying. But there is no proof of a Gap Theory. Or the Day Age Theory

Day Age Theory
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c002.html

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/301

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/day-age.html

Reasons why The Gap Theory, the Day Age theory, Progressive Creation, and Theistic Evolution are unbiblical
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/gap.html
 
Lewis W said:
The Jeremiah 4 passage along with Eze 28 are the basis for an age previous to Gen 1:2. This could account for a young earth (this age) as well as items that may be found in crypto archeology as well as things such as dino's etc.....
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That is sort of what Benny was saying. But there is no proof of a Gap Theory. Or the Day Age Theory
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Hence the word "Theory".... :-D

Have you ever done the word study on the Hebrew for Gen 1:1? It's pretty interesting.
 
Lewis W said:
That is sort of what Benny was saying. But there is no proof of a Gap Theory. Or the Day Age Theory
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My gut feeling is that the passage in Jer. 4 is dealing with future events (advent or end of 1,000 year reign) - look at the word "heavens" - Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black:

The "heavens" were after Gen. 1:2 - Gen. 1:1 says "the heaven" - of course every new version changes it to "heavens".

I believe the "gap therory" is no theory - I don't understand why folks want to have a hard time with this.

BTW - without going to the Hebrew would someone explain the word "replenish" in Gen. 1:28 and 9:1?

Thanks
 
Thank you AV, that was what I was looking for replenish" in Gen. 1:28 and 9:1?
That is key because what Benny was saying was that Jeremiah 4:23-28 has
already. And because I don't remember all of what he said, I am trying to research it. I know it had something to do wiyh demons. And I just found something, and I got to check it out.
http://www.ryanmcginty.com/fallen/fallen.html
 
I did not read very far into the first page, until I came across this statement.

"something very significant did occur about 6,000 years ago during those six days, but it was NOT the original creation of the universe and all things; it was a regeneration. And, yes, there were human like creatures on the face of the earth as early as a few hundred thousand years ago, but Adam and modern man are not descended from them. "

It contradicts Gen. 1:1 "In the beginning..."

Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
The first thing that came to mind was this verse:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I believe that God is revealing to Jeremiah End Times events that are similar in nature to the Creation. Seem right that creating a new heaven and earth would be the same as it was in Genesis.

About the gap theory... whether or not a gap exists, how do we inject Jer 4:26 in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2?

I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Were there really cities on an earth with no form and totally void of light and life?
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
I did not read very far into the first page, until I came across this statement.

"something very significant did occur about 6,000 years ago during those six days, but it was NOT the original creation of the universe and all things; it was a regeneration. And, yes, there were human like creatures on the face of the earth as early as a few hundred thousand years ago, but Adam and modern man are not descended from them. "

It contradicts Gen. 1:1 "In the beginning..."

Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Thanks gabby; that about does it for me. First of all, Genesis nowhere indicates the entire universe was created, so that part of the statement is foolishness. Secondly. there was no regeneration of anything, the scripture doesn't support that either. Thirdly, he has NO basis whatsoever to state there were humans or human-like creatures on earth. Where in scripture does it even HINT at that? Pure spectulation.

Lewis, do you see why I don't trust this guy? Sorry bro...
 
Yeah Gabby what they are really saying is that In The beginning, is implying to the beginning of this presrnt earth. And the Bible saying in Genesis 1:28 God said multiply and replenish the earth. And the word (replenish) is key.
 
]Well I am just curious, anything that is hard to explain in the Bible draws me like a magnet. ]
 
Lewis W said:
It is not a future event, I can tell you that.
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It is possible that both could be correct - passages can have historical and furture references. I certainly don't have all the answers especially when it comes to future evens and OT doctrines.

God bless
 
Lewis W said:
Thank you AV, that was what I was looking for replenish" in Gen. 1:28 and 9:1?
That is key because what Benny was saying was that Jeremiah 4:23-28 has
already. And because I don't remember all of what he said, I am trying to research it. I know it had something to do wiyh demons. And I just found something, and I got to check it out.
http://www.ryanmcginty.com/fallen/fallen.html
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There is the theory that there was a race of men pre Gen 1:1 and these were destroyed by the flood of Gen 1:2. The theory goes, Satan ruled under God's direction until he wanted God's postition. The souls of these men who were killed in that flood are the demons of this Age....

I don't know about that but that is what some people put forth...
 
vic said:
The first thing that came to mind was this verse:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I believe that God is revealing to Jeremiah End Times events that are similar in nature to the Creation. Seem right that creating a new heaven and earth would be the same as it was in Genesis.

About the gap theory... whether or not a gap exists, how do we inject Jer 4:26 in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2?

I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Were there really cities on an earth with no form and totally void of light and life?
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Vic...do a search on crypto archeology...you will see a lot of weird archeology finds...

An example would be a coal miner breaking open a lump of Coal to find a cup...strange things of that nature that would support the possibility of a pre Gen 1:2 existence...
 
AVBunyan said:
Lewis W said:
It is not a future event, I can tell you that.
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It is possible that both could be correct - passages can have historical and furture references. I certainly don't have all the answers especially when it comes to future evens and OT doctrines.

God bless
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I certainly think that it's possible...
 
Lewis W said:
Yeah Gabby what they are really saying is that In The beginning, is implying to the beginning of this presrnt earth. And the Bible saying in Genesis 1:28 God said multiply and replenish the earth. And the word (replenish) is key.
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Lewis, I copied this out of the concordance. This is the definition for the word replenish.

1) to fill, be full

a) (Qal)

1) to be full

a) fulness, abundance (participle)

b) to be full, be accomplished, be ended

2) to consecrate, fill the hand

b) (Niphal)

1) to be filled, be armed, be satisfied

2) to be accomplished, be ended

c) (Piel)

1) to fill

2) to satisfy

3) to fulfil, accomplish, complete

4) to confirm

d) (Pual) to be filled

e) (Hithpael) to mass themselves against

I checked a couple of different translations. Many of them use the term "fill the earth".
When I think of the word replenish, in that verse, it brings things to mind like, 'replace what you use' or 'if you cut down a tree, plant a new one.' Here is a key verse for me that has answered tons of questions over the years.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

This passage also kind of drives the point home for me.
Gen 2:1-2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

vic said:
The first thing that came to mind was this verse:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I believe that God is revealing to Jeremiah End Times events...
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Vic,
In studying the prophets, one of the things that the Lord has shown me is that many of them were taken in visions to the same place at the same time. It could very well be that the Apostle John and Jeremiah were watching the same event.
 
Georges said:
...strange things of that nature that would support the possibility of a pre Gen 1:2 existence...
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Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1-2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

George,
perhaps the pre Gen1:2 existence was created by someone other than God. God started at the beginning.(Gen 1:1) and he ended his work on the sixth day. You have got to cross out a lot of Scriptures and pencil in your own doctrine to keep going with this thought.

And behold, it was very good. For it to be very good, it was not yet in the hands of the enemy of the cross.
 
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