Bible Study Did Jesus Ever Say, "Please," or "Thank You?" Except To God?

[Guest]

Any bright ideas, especially from those who are sensitive about such niceties ... ?

Shelli.

 

[Vic C.]

Jesus never used a computer either. :wink:

Jesus taught us to respect one another; that includes having something called common courtesy. Random acts of kindness never hurt anyone. Bring kind and courteous to another opens up avenues of dialog when the Gospel can be shared. Saying thanks, you're welcome and please goes a long way.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 CORINTHIANS -- Chapter 13
-1- Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
-2- And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
-3- And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
-4- Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
-5- does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
-6- does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
-7- bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
-8- Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
-9- For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
-10- But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
-11- When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
-12- For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
-13- And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

NKJV

 

[Vic C.]

Oh, one more. It comes in handy when arguing on behalf of Biblical silence.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Guest]

Jesus never used a computer either. :wink:

Jesus taught us to respect one another; that includes having something called common courtesy. Random acts of kindness never hurt anyone. Bring kind and courteous to another opens up avenues of dialog when the Gospel can be shared. Saying thanks, you're welcome and please goes a long way.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

[quote:c76a3]1 CORINTHIANS -- Chapter 13
-1- Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
-2- And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
-3- And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
-4- Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
-5- does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
-6- does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
-7- bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
-8- Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
-9- For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
-10- But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
-11- When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
-12- For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
-13- And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

NKJV[/quote:c76a3]

In other words, I am right. Jesus never conveyed the words or sentiments to another human of, "Please," and "thank you."

Praise and thanks be unto God for the guidance and example of His Word in Scripture!

Shelli.

 

[ChristineES]

Oh, one more. It comes in handy when arguing on behalf of Biblical silence.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Amen to that!

 

[Guest]

Oh, one more. It comes in handy when arguing on behalf of Biblical silence.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Wonderful, and Thank You!

Notice John 21:25 is referring to things "which Jesus did," not things which He said.

I am so glad you are reading and understanding God's Word for us!

Blessings!

Shelli!

 

[nadab]

The King James Bible renders Genesis 13:14 as: "And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:" However, God requested Abram to "Raise up your eyes, please (Hebrew na), and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, because all the land at which you are looking, to you and to your seed I am going to give it until time indefinite."(New World Translation) Thus, God requested Abraham to "please" raise his eyes to all the land that he was going to give to his "seed". He showed consideration for this man of God.

And at Genesis 15:5, the King James Bible renders it as: "And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be." Yet, it again leaves out the Hebrew word na, meaning "please". Thus a modern English translation reads: "He now brought him outside and said: “Look up, please (Hebrew na), to the heavens and count the stars, if you are possibly able to count them.†And he went on to say to him: “So your seed will become.â€Â(New World Translation) Hence, God again requested of Abraham that he "look up please to the heavens", for his "seed" would also become as them, uncountable.

At Genesis 12:11, Abram (later changed to Abraham) told Sarai ( later called Sarah) his wife: "Please (Hebrew na), now! I well know you are a woman beautiful in appearance. So it is bound to happen that the Egyptians will see you and will say, ‘This is his wife.’ And they will certainly kill me, but you they will preserve alive. Please (Hebrew na) say you are my sister, in order that it may go well with me on your account, and my soul will be certain to live due to you.†Abram was showing respect for his wife, saying "please". How many husbands treat their wives as this, giving consideration for their feelings ?(1 Pet 3:7)

Thus, consideration was shown for those who were serving God, for Abraham was later called God's "friend".(Isa 41:8, James 2:23) However, the nation of fleshly Israel had behaved "rebelliously at the order of Jehovah your God" (Deut 1:26) over the course of some fifteen hundred years until the arrival of Jesus as the Messiah in 29 C.E. Over the course of 3 1/2 years of his ministry until 33 C.E., Jesus was opposed by the Jews as a nation.(John 8:37;10:31) These were not serving God wholeheartedly, but was giving perfunctorily obligations to the Law covenant. Jesus told them, especially the religious leaders: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel !"(Matt 23:23,24) These were thus haughty and deserving of judgment against them, for just moments later, Jesus called these ones "Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are you to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na?"(Matt 23:33)

However, among his eleven apostle that proved loyal and listened to him, Jesus may have said "please" to them, for these would be willing to follow this simple request, being called his "friends". Jesus said: "You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you. I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, because all the things I have heard from my Father I have made known to you."(John 15:14,15)

 

[Guest]

Genesis 13:14, 15:5, and 12:11 do not record what Jesus said. I am not sure what you are trying to say about Jesus with these references.

God does not give any Scripture to demonstrate how we supposedly should use our imaginations to speculate about the character, conduct, or conversation of our Savior. Saying Jesus "may have" said or done something unwarrented by the Scriptural account is not rightly dividing the Word.

I remain with the original point of this post, that Jesus never said "Please" or "Thank you" to any humans. It is best not to assign to Jesus our own humanly contrived norms of social conduct, no matter how sincere or good feeling they may be.

Shelli.

 

[nadab]

No, the Bible does not give a specific account of where Jesus may have said "please". The apostle Paul wrote that "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."(2 Tim 3:16) Thus the Bible, being "inspired of God and beneficial for teaching", does give us an accurate understanding of who God is, along with his "only-begotten Son", Jesus Christ. Jesus so perfectly reflected his Father's disposition, that he could say: "I and the Father are one"(John 10:30) and "he that has seen me has seen the Father also".(John 14:9)

At Isaiah 61, it was stated prophetically that Jesus was to "tell good news to the meek" and "bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive...to comfort all the mourning ones".(Isa 61:1,2; Luke 4:18,19) Hence, among those "brokenhearted...those taken captive" by Satan and his wicked system of things, Jesus may have said "please". He further provided "comfort (for) all the mourning ones", not beating them down as the religious leaders were doing. He imitated his Father, God, who is spoken of as "like a shepherd he will shepherd his own drove. With his arm he will collect together the lambs; and in his bosom he will carry [them]. Those giving suck he will conduct [with care]."(Isa 40:11)

Jesus, like his heavenly Father, was therefore tender with those who were like little "lambs...those giving suck he will conduct with care". At Matthew 11, Jesus said: "Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for your souls. For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.â€Â(Matt 11:28-30) Hence, he may have said please or thank you to his disciples, for he was refreshing to be around. At Matthew 2:6, the religious leaders, in quoting from Micah 5, said that the "Christ" would be a "shepherd".

Later, Matthew records Jesus feelings of how the "crowds" of people were treated, saying: "On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd."(Matt 9:36) He treated them kindly and provided a preview of what God's kingdom will accomplish, "how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil; because God was with him."(Acts 10:31)

However, his main purpose was to declare "the good news of the kingdom of God".(Luke 8:1) Thus, Matthew 9:37,38 says: "Then he said to his disciples: “Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.†This required strength and courage, for the Israelites, as a nation, "hated" him.(John 15:19) Would Jesus have needed to say "please" to those who opposed and "hated" him, as the religious leaders did ?

The examples mentioned in Genesis of God saying "please" provides us a perfect example of us following this same course, in which Jesus imitated his Father perfectly. At Matthew 9, a "woman suffering twelve years from a flow of blood", approached Jesus, touching "the fringe of his outer garment". According to the Law, her condition made her ceremonially unclean, and she should not have been there. But she was so desperate that she slipped in behind Jesus, touching his garment and was instantly healed. Jesus could have scolded her for being out in public, though unclean. However, he showed compassion, saying to her "Take courage, daughter, your faith has made you well."(Matt 9:20-22)

Though the Bible does not provide us any specific accounts where Jesus may have said "please" or "thank you", we can be assured that most likely he did to those deserving of it. The apostle Peter said that "even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely."(1 Pet 2:21)

 

[cyberjosh]

Shelli,

You take moral behavior and behaving according to conscience entirely out of the picture. Unless you want to completely do away with social culture and redefine what is "polite" and "rude" then such "niceties" are still quite in keeping with treating someone right. For example: If you accidentally knock someone over it is generally considered rude if you don't stop and apologize or help correct a mistake you made by helping them pick up anything they dropped because of it, etc. Saying a quick "sorry" and meaning it, and making things right, then going about your business is in no way iniquity or missing the mark in our "social lives".

So should "niceties" be completely excised from our life and dear Momma put out of a job of raising her children with manners? Perhaps we should all be crude, mannerless, and impassive to situations as they occur spontaneously if we cannot expound a grand dialogue as opposed to a few words. Think about it.

~Josh

 

[cyberjosh]

Jesus never used a computer either

Good point! Nor a car, nor did he eat ice cream, or see a movie, or use a phone, or a lightbulb. Infact now that I think about it I think I will convert to be Amish! ;)

 

[Vic C.]

Josh:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html

They even use laptops and shop at local grocery stores at times. There is also some usage of chemical fertilizers and insecticides... and some mechanical farm equipment.

 

[cyberjosh]

Josh:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html

They even use laptops and shop at local grocery stores at times. There is also some usage of chemical fertilizers and insecticides... and some mechanical farm equipment.

Wow, the prospects are even more enticing now. Where do I sign? :-D

P.S. I saw what appeared to be an Amish family eating at Subway once when I was on a long roap trip, so they don't seem shy of restaraunts either. BTW I'm not picking fun at them, it should be obvious my intention for taking up such a "line of discussion". I'm sure you knew that though.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Jesus never used a computer either. :wink:

I beg to differ, if you please.
I think He uses them now :wink:
Ahhh, but then, so does the devil.

 

[Vic C.]

Heh, Destiny makes a point. 8-)

BTW I'm not picking fun at them, it should be obvious my intention for taking up such a "line of discussion". I'm sure you knew that though.

Neither am I folks. It was FYI stuff; just to point out that even those with good intentions somehow justify certain things that were luxuries, now have become necessities... sort of. 8-)

 

[RadicalReformer]

Heh, Destiny makes a point. 8-)

BTW I'm not picking fun at them, it should be obvious my intention for taking up such a "line of discussion". I'm sure you knew that though.

Neither am I folks. It was FYI stuff; just to point out that even those with good intentions somehow justify certain things that were luxuries, now have become necessities... sort of. 8-)

Since I would call myself a Anabaptists, and currently attend a Mennonite USA church - what you have experienced might not be Amish - even if they "looked Amish". Ahh, the dangerous trap of making assumptions based on outer clothing.

Many Old Order Mennonites, and "black-bumper" Mennonites still dress in plain clothes, however they do allow the use of modern technology. The "amish" beard is also worn by Mennonites as well. It is believed that the Amish beard does not have a mustache because the mustache was the only facial hair that the military allowed. Therefore, the mustache bore identification with the military. Since Anabaptists are biblical pacifists, typically those who wear the "amish beard" do not wear a mustache.

Sorry to derail this thread a from the OP. But, then again - since I do not have to say please or thank you - why should I even apologize for it!

Just because someone wears plain clothes, does not make them Amish.

 

[Vic C.]

Hmm, I've experienced nothing. My sources indicated they were Amish; it was on that link I provided: (you know, the one you probably neglected to click)

Last summer, armed with these questions and in the company of an acquaintance with Amish contacts, I traveled around the countryside of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Everywhere, there were freshly planted fields, farmhouses with handsome, immaculate barns and outbuildings. At one farm we passed, a woman was sitting a hundred yards from her house on the edge of a kitchen garden. She wore the traditional garb of the conservative Old Order - a long, unadorned dress sheathed by an apron, her hair covered by a prayer bonnet. She was sitting in the middle of the garden, alone, the very image of technology-free simplicity. But she was holding her hand up to her ear. She appeared to be intent on something, strangely engaged.

"Whenever you see an Amish woman sitting in the field like that," my guide said, "she's probably talking on a cell phone."

Check it out, it's an informative article and in no way does it mock the Amish. The article ends like this:

"What does the Old Order story have to say to members of postmodern society?" asks Diane Zimmerman Umble. "The struggle of Old Order groups to mold technology in the service of community provides a provocative model of resistance for those who have come to recognize that technology brings both benefits and costs.... Their example invites reflection on a modern dilemma: how to balance the rights of the individual with the needs of the community. For them, community comes first."...

I never expected the Amish to provide precise philosophical yardsticks that could guide the use of technological power. What drew me in was their long conversation with their tools. We technology-enmeshed "English" don't have much of this sort of discussion. And yet we'll need many such conversations, because a modern heterogeneous society is going to have different values, different trade-offs, and different discourses. It's time we start talking about the most important influence on our lives today.

I came away from my journey with a question to contribute to these conversations: If we decided that community came first, how would we use our tools differently?

...and don't worry about whether or not the thread is derailed; it was derailed from the start. ;-)

 

[RadicalReformer]

Vic, while you were the last to comment and I did quote yoru last comment, I did not mean to suggest that my post was directly solely at you.

 

[stovebolts]

Well then, all things considered, I get to tell a story LOL

Last year, our family went to Shipshewana Indiana, which is in the heart of the northern Indiana Amish community. It was so neat with all the little horse drawn buggies going up and down the road and the Amish in their traditional garb. What really impressed me, was how much scripture was posted throughout the city and how the subject of God was always on their lips.

Well, we ate at this little nook called, “Our Daily Bread†and my wife had an egg salad sandwich that as she put it, “You could die forâ€Â. All through the meal, she just raved about how good it was, and how the community must have really pulled together, one family baking the bread from the wheat they grew, one family raising the chickens, gathering the eggs, other families milking the cows, making cheese. Such a surreal, tranquil reality of a community banding together, working in harmony for the better good.

As we’re paying our bill, my wife asks the gal at the register, “Who makes your bread and that egg salad was absolutely to die for! Are they related and do they share or provide their egg salad with other restaurants around here?â€Â

The gal’s behind the counter just smiled, perhaps even blushed a bit as they said, … “We get it in these round plastic containers, I think it’s by somebody called¢â‚¬ËœGordon Foodsâ€Ââ€Â

It was a Kodak moment!

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

...and don't worry about whether or not the thread is derailed; it was derailed from the start. ;-)

I confess. I inadvertently inspired this thread. Please forgive me. Thank you.