[_ Old Earth _] Dinosaur Mummy Another Flood Artifact?

[Barbarian]

And even if it was super heated the steam would dissipate rather quickly then fall down as precipitation,

But that much water, enough to cover the highest mountains, would be oceans of boiling water over the whole earth. That much heat would have cooked everything.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

And even if it was super heated the steam would dissipate rather quickly then fall down as precipitation,

But that much water, enough to cover the highest mountains, would be oceans of boiling water over the whole earth. That much heat would have cooked everything.

Even using Browns own figures, the amount of energy released would cook noah.

Besides, that much humidity would drown him just from breathing, even if it wasn't hard boiling his lungs.

 

[freeway]

Here is the section regarding the enormous amount of energy released once that water surfaces (from answersincreation.com)

3. Everybody will cook.

Suppose you placed the water under 10 km of crust, the pressure of the water would be 10 x 105 * 980 * 2.65 = 2.58 x 109 dynes= 2562 atmospheres of pressure.

The temperature gradient is 1 deg C for every 30 m so there is a 166 deg. C increase in temperature as we go deeper. 330 + 30 deg C (the surface temperature) =360 deg. C. (see below for justification of the temperature. For a layer of cave water 2 km thick all around the earth would contain 1 x 1024 cubic centimeters of water. At 360 deg C, the high temperature water would contain 3.3 x 1026 calories. (1 calorie per degree rise (330 degree rise)). The minute the pressure is released the water will turn to steam and you will cook the earth. Dividing the calories by the surface area of the earth shows that heat /cm2 = 3.3 x 1026 Calories/5.09 x 1018 square centimeters = 6.4 x 107 Cal/cm2.

This energy represents 1 year's worth of sunshine on a square centimeter at the equator. (The sun gives each square centimeter 2 calories per square centimeter per second) I don't think Noah could survive this. This enough energy to raise water to 64 million degrees C (assuming a specific heat of 1 cal/degree. Even if you use the 121 deg C value that Brown wants to use, this represents over 4 month's of solar radiation per square centimeter. No one could survive this event. It is a poor mechanism for a flood.

http://www.answersincreation.org/walter ... theory.htm

If I may inject...sure the initial burst from the water pressure would be enormous, you say it would cook the earth from the heat of pressure.. But any time you have pressure and then a sudden release the pressure would drop considerable, causing the heat to drop, and lets not forget it took 40 days not forth minutes, Then also we have rain, not just a sprinkle but monsoons, huge amount of water falling from the sky, and what does rain do, cool,, in itself, it is cool water, so it would have a cooling effect. If it stayed at vapor it would not have been raining from the start. Here again we are told only that the water covered the earth and no life was spared. God did not give us all the degrees and angles of the rush of water, Noah could have been on the other side of the earth for all we know. God said he closed the door of the ark and the rain began to fall then the fountain of the deep where released. it could have been released slower than we think or say......after all He is God, and could have control the rate of release.... 8-)

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Here is the section regarding the enormous amount of energy released once that water surfaces (from answersincreation.com)

3. Everybody will cook.

Suppose you placed the water under 10 km of crust, the pressure of the water would be 10 x 105 * 980 * 2.65 = 2.58 x 109 dynes= 2562 atmospheres of pressure.

The temperature gradient is 1 deg C for every 30 m so there is a 166 deg. C increase in temperature as we go deeper. 330 + 30 deg C (the surface temperature) =360 deg. C. (see below for justification of the temperature. For a layer of cave water 2 km thick all around the earth would contain 1 x 1024 cubic centimeters of water. At 360 deg C, the high temperature water would contain 3.3 x 1026 calories. (1 calorie per degree rise (330 degree rise)). The minute the pressure is released the water will turn to steam and you will cook the earth. Dividing the calories by the surface area of the earth shows that heat /cm2 = 3.3 x 1026 Calories/5.09 x 1018 square centimeters = 6.4 x 107 Cal/cm2.

This energy represents 1 year's worth of sunshine on a square centimeter at the equator. (The sun gives each square centimeter 2 calories per square centimeter per second) I don't think Noah could survive this. This enough energy to raise water to 64 million degrees C (assuming a specific heat of 1 cal/degree. Even if you use the 121 deg C value that Brown wants to use, this represents over 4 month's of solar radiation per square centimeter. No one could survive this event. It is a poor mechanism for a flood.

http://www.answersincreation.org/walter ... theory.htm

If I may inject...sure the initial burst from the water pressure would be enormous, you say it would cook the earth from the heat of pressure.. But any time you have pressure and then a sudden release the pressure would drop considerable, causing the heat to drop, and lets not forget it took 40 days not forth minutes, Then also we have rain, not just a sprinkle but monsoons, huge amount of water falling from the sky, and what does rain do, cool,, in itself, it is cool water, so it would have a cooling effect. If it stayed at vapor it would not have been raining from the start. Here again we are told only that the water covered the earth and no life was spared. God did not give us all the degrees and angles of the rush of water, Noah could have been on the other side of the earth for all we know. God said he closed the door of the ark and the rain began to fall then the fountain of the deep where released. it could have been released slower than we think or say......after all He is God, and could have control the rate of release.... 8-)

The math done was average energy for the whole earth. No where to hide.

Again, from the fragile state on the crust this theory would impose, 1 small fissure in one area would rapidly spread, creating mass havoc on the crust and wide spread ruptures. Yet, we see no such evidence in the crust.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

My point exactly, Everest was lower when the flood happened and got pushed up.

So before the flood the earth was perfectly spherical?

 

[VaultZero4Me]

And again in circles we go. your problem lies in the "scientific procedures" A.K.A known as pre set walls built with gun posts so to shoot creationists that try to provide evidence that's shunned and discredited by evolutionists. IMO.

That is what they want you to believe. They won't you to believe that their theories aren't taken seriously because of being Christians.

That just isn't the case, and their isn't much evidence.

If a theory works and has merit, no one can hold it back. Ask Galileo. Imprisonment didn't stop him. There is no excuse in todays age of communication technology.

I will agree that their work gets discredited a lot. For instance, the holes I showed you in Browns work were pointed out by a man with a B.S. in physics.

Sloppy work happens when you are working with an assumption, and making a theory to fit it. He assumes, better yet he emphatically believes, that there was a great global flood, and tries to find a way to make it scientifically feasible.

 

[BobRyan]

If I may inject...sure the initial burst from the water pressure would be enormous, you say it would cook the earth from the heat of pressure.. But any time you have pressure and then a sudden release the pressure would drop considerable, causing the heat to drop, and lets not forget it took 40 days not forth minutes, Then also we have rain, not just a sprinkle but monsoons, huge amount of water falling from the sky, and what does rain do, cool,, in itself, it is cool water, so it would have a cooling effect. If it stayed at vapor it would not have been raining from the start. Here again we are told only that the water covered the earth and no life was spared. God did not give us all the degrees and angles of the rush of water, Noah could have been on the other side of the earth for all we know. God said he closed the door of the ark and the rain began to fall then the fountain of the deep where released. it could have been released slower than we think or say......after all He is God, and could have control the rate of release.... 8-)

3 Sources of water according to Genesis 7.

1. Windows of heaven.
2. Rain
3. Fountains of the deep.

The pressure-temperature argument for fountains of the deep is interesting -- but do those fountains come up out of the sea floor and are they not cooled by the ocean itself?

What pressure and volume would be needed to cause a flood over a 40 day period where this source of water erupting in 1000's of different sites is only 1/3 of the volume used to flood the Earth?

Answer -- a lot of darwinist guessing might be needed to turn this into a problem for Bible believing Christians.

The Bible says there was a global flood resulting in the total extinction of all air-breathing life on land -- the "assumption" the Bible believing Christian makes is only 1 -- and that is "the bible is true" just as the NT writers say it is in 2Tim 3:16 (for example).

2 Peter 3
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

BTW - PV=nRT says to me that the rapid reduction in pressure at release time results in massive decrease in temperature -- what am I missing?

Bob

 

[platos_cave]

But are sixty-seven million years really necessary? Paleontologists studying Dakota say this rare preservation of skin and mummification means that the creature had to be buried very rapidly, in flash flood conditions, to petrify in this way. The common-sense, biblical worldview would agree. Not millions of years, though; but yet another result of the Flood in the days of Noah just 4,400 years ago.

Apparently floods don't occur unless it's the worldwide biblical one.

What a joke.

 

[John]

Why could that not be evidence of a global flood?

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Why could that not be evidence of a global flood?

Because it is just evidence for a flood in that local region.

If I find a tree that had been struck with lightning, should I conclude that all the trees in the world were struck at the same time?

 

[John]

It canbe evidence of a global flood or local. But most animals would be buried like that in a local flood, unless there was a huge landslide.

Remember i don't care if you believe in a global flood or not, it happened and this could very easily be just some more evidence of it.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

It canbe evidence of a global flood or local. But most animals would be buried like that in a local flood, unless there was a huge landslide.

Remember i don't care if you believe in a global flood or not, it happened and this could very easily be just some more evidence of it.

No it can not be evidence of a global flood. Think about my example carefully.

If there were evidence for a global flood I would believe it. But finding small localized floods in no way gives evidence for a global flood, just like in my example one tree being struck with lightning does not give evidence for all of the trees being struck.

It is the same logic, and if you used your logic in my example you would come to a false conclusion through faulty reasoning.

 

[platos_cave]

Why could that not be evidence of a global flood?

Because that isn't the only way fossils are created, nor is there any evidence that a global flood occurred at any point in time, let alone 4400 years ago.