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Divorce

Oats

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I really dislike Divorce, i find it just as appalling as homosexuality and umarried sex

Old Testament:

For the LORD God of Israel says
That He hates divorce,
For it covers one’s garment with violence,â€
Says the LORD of hosts. - Malachi 2:16


New Testament:

So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate- Matthew 19:6


what are your thoughts on divorce

Christian and Non-Christian
 
I hate divorce too.

Over the years I've worked with numerous children. After working 13 years in the day-care business, I've seen a lot of marriages split. The effect on the kids is really bad.

Now, in a few instances, divorce just needed to happen. One such instance was that the father was a meth producer and kept the wife and kids in such terror. Their little girl used to come to the school, sit on the couch, put her thumb in her mouth and start to rhythmically slam her head against the back of the couch and would keep this up unless someone physically held her. For the health and safety of the kids, yes, divorce was necessary.

And, sadly, there were several divorces that happened because of unfaithfulness.

But, also sadly, a lot of the divorces were mainly because the husband and wife "didn't love each other anymore" or "we're better at being friends than being married" or "He just bores the (heck) out of me." Oftentimes the child-care giver becomes a confidant, and there were many times I sat in our pre-school office and listened to women (and a few times men) give the most selfish reasons for ripping their children's homes apart. One woman actually divorced her husband because they were both obese...she had surgery and lost a lot of weight, but her husband could not have the surgery for health reasons. After she lost weight, he was still fat. She divorced him because she said she was now sexy and wanted a sexier man to be with. Her husband was a great guy, he loved her dearly and loved his children dearly as well. She got custody though, and the kids spent the rest of the time I knew them visiting their loving father twice a month and living with mommy and the sexy man of the moment. She was on the sixth man when I moved away.

We would have to somehow hold the child's little world from spinning completely apart. There was not one, not even one child, who went through the divorce of their parents without having some serious discipline, eating, or social problems. Even when divorce was clearly the best option of a bad situation, the child still took a hit.

Again, I understand that divorce is sometimes necessary. I also understand that however much one partner is committed to making the marriage work, if the other partner doesn't want to stay married, there's not much that can be done about it.

But, divorce is never a "good" thing. I understand why God says He hates it.
 
I'm a Christian, and I generally disapprove of divorce. Some divorces are for the best--abuse, adultery, criminal behavior, that sort of thing--but even then...its rough for the people involved and any children in the mix.

I think the challenge for the Christian church is to embrace the divorced person w/o condoning divorce itself.
 
Divorce is bad, but sometimes it's necessary.

If people didn't sin it wouldn't be necessary. The new testament also tells us that God gave space for divorce under certain circumstances, but only because 'your hearts were hard'. Matt 19:8

Sin happens. People suffer.

Personally I think it would be a massive step forward if churchs actually upheld those god given reasons and no other. But most are too scared of losing members from what I've seen.
 
Divorce is bad, but sometimes it's necessary.

If people didn't sin it wouldn't be necessary. The new testament also tells us that God gave space for divorce under certain circumstances, but only because 'your hearts were hard'. Matt 19:8

Actually, in reading Mathew 19, it was Moses, not God, that allowed divorce for many reasons "because of the hardness of their hearts". But Jesus contasted that and told us "that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery". (Matt 19:9, NIV) As bad as some marriages are, the reality is for Christians that Jesus told us we can not get divorced for any reason other than infidelity or, according to Paul, when a non-Christian spouse leaves us ("But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]...". (1 Cor 15:7, NIV) Perhaps separation is in order for physical protection in some cases, but God's word is pretty clear that for New Testament Christians, divorce is not an option other then the above situations.

Jesus' words here are tough to follow for people living in a society where more than 50% of marriages end in divorce, but those are His words. We have to choose whether to follow Jesus or not.
 
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Perhaps separation is in order for physical protection in some cases, but God's word is pretty clear that for New Testament Christians, divorce is not an option other then the above situations.

The problem with "separation" for "physical protection" is that many states do not recognize a legal separation, and this leave no legal protection for the abused spouse or the children. Sadly, many Christian women stay in abusive marriages, because of the teachings of the church (wives submit, no divorce for abuse, etc.). The church often tells them that separation is their only option, yet this leaves them and their children even more vulnerable and unprotected. Without something legal, the woman can not collect child support, cannot legally "take" her children (because the father has equal right), and if she leaves without her children (leaving them with an abusive man) then he can file for divorce on grounds of abandonment and take full custody of the children.

If states recognized legal separation, then I would be in favor of women separating without divorce. The laws in the Bible were not given to harm us, nor would God want one of his own living in an abusive marriage. I have personally known of some extremely sad cases and seen others. I believe that the church does abused women a disservice when they tell them to separate but not divorce.

For the record, I do recognize that men can also be the subject of abuse, so my post is not aimed solely at women. I use women, because the majority of the time the case is with them. I have personally known men who were abused by their wives (and subsequently divorced).

There was a good article that came out recently: Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site
 
I hate divorce as well. I don't like that some Christians distort what Jesus said too - you can divorce for unfaithfulness but you mustn't marry again.

Also some people don't understand you can leave, (if in a abusive situation for example), just not divorce ...
 
I do have to agree with PouringRain on the legal ramifications of separation without divorce.

Most states do recognize legal separation, but not all. If one lives in a state that recognizes legal separation, then I agree that it is better to be legally separated than divorced. I also think it is better to be legally separated than to just "move out". If one moves out, one has no right to take any joint possessions or any children with one. As a matter of fact, to take the children without filing for legal separation, one might open oneself to parental kidnapping charges.

If one lives in one of the states that do not recognize legal separation, then one's options become much more limited. In these states, one might have to go the divorce route if one truly needs to get out of a marriage in order to protect oneself and one's children.

I realize that it might be very easy to say that we must always follow God's laws rather than man's, but Pouring Rain was right: God's laws are not meant to harm us or our children. In a state that does not recognize legal separation, when one leaves, but doesn't divorce a spouse, one can really be in a bind in getting some necessary services.

For instance, I'm a stay-at-home mom and rely fully on Steve and his job for not only income, but also insurance. If I were to walk out the door one day, he could immediately call and have me removed from his insurance. Until such a time as I became employed and then eligible to receive insurance through my employer (which could take months, if the employer even provided insurance. Many companies here in Idaho do not.), I would be without health insurance and ineligible to get COBRA benefits, because Steve would still have insurance. And, there would be no way I could afford insurance on my own...way too expensive.

There is also the matter of our house...we are both on the papers, but the mortgage gets paid by Steve's income. Without a legal separation, I'm not sure that I could retain a roof over the kid's and my head, because I don't think I would have any legal right to tell Steve he must leave the house that he owns and pays for.*

These are the types of issues that get hammered out in a legal separation, which Idaho does recognize.



*The above examples are for discussion purposes only. All is harmonious in the Miller household, and Steve is not adulterous, abusive or addicted to mind-altering drugs! ;)
 
I also disagree that it is a "distortion" of what Jesus said about re-marriage..... but that is also the reason why I also dislike threads about divorce. :) Like almost everything else, no one can agree on the interpretation of scriptures, even though we all use the same ones. :)

I am divorced and I am the first to say that I disagree with divorce. Unfortunately, there are cases where it is necessary. Sadly, for individuals who go through a divorce there is often little support within the church for those individuals. Then, after the church has finished victimizing the innocent party in the divorce they wonder why the individual turns away from God. Thank God that there are churches and people out there who recognize that not every divorced person is guilty and that there is forgiveness of sins for those who are, and they now offer many good programs for divorced individuals such as DivorceCare.

I am thankful that God himself understands what it is to have an unfaithful spouse to the point of issuing her a certificate of divorce. He knew firsthand about the hardness of man's heart, and through his love he offered redemption.

Regarding children: there are times it can be more dysfunctional in a two parent home for children than in a one parent home. Divorce can have positive effects for a child, depending on what the previous two-parent home situation was and depending on the outcome of the divorce. Many children of divorce do have problems, but there are also many who do not. There are a lot of factors involved that will determine the outcome of the child. If anyone wants to know the outcome of my own children, you can ask me privately.
 
It couldn't get any clearer - to remarry is adultery.

We could debate divorce's effects but that's not in the bible - only that divorce on grounds other then unfaithfulness is wrong ...

We're not the judge, God is ...
 
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It couldn't get any clearer - to remarry is adultery.

We could debate divorce's effects but that's not in the bible - only that divorce on grounds other then unfaithfulness is wrong ...

We're not the judge, God is ... we repeat God words ...

We must have different Bibles. :)
 
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