Do All Suicides (Christians) Die Lost?

[Jethro Bodine]

And we can't assume they have either.

That's right. That's why we should not judge the person who commits suicide. They can be saved, or they can not be saved. It's simply beyond our knowledge to know why they did it unless we're specifically told why.

 

[for_his_glory]

I wrote this after I was contemplating suicide many years ago as I really never knew what would happen if I went through with it. I pray this will bless others .

Those who contemplate suicide are caught up in three devastating feelings: hurt, abandonment and doubt as they feel no hope of the future. If they do not have a relationship with Christ through that of a Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-7, then they are already destined to go to the lake of fire as their names are not found in the Lambs book of Life and will come under Gods judgement.

Many Christians who are weak in faith also contemplate suicide when things get unbearable in their life because they become consumed with their problems leaning on their own understandings instead of leaning on God whom is their help in times of trouble. This allows Satan who comes to kill, steal and destroy prey on them and steal what little faith they have.

The question is, even if they have weak faith do they still go to Hell if they commit suicide? I think it is possible because they lost all faith and hope in God therefore leaving themselves void of God in their life, which would cause them to be separated from God as they turn from that faith which is Christ Jesus. We also have Gods commandment thou shall not kill. God will forgive a murder who repents, but where is repentance if you are dead and can no longer ask for it. It repented (having regretted) Judas that he sold out for that of riches and even though he gave the money back he went and hung himself, Matthew 27:3-5, instead of asking Jesus to forgive him instead.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future for Christ paid the price for all sin even though we fall short at times, but grace keeps us in that of Gods righteousness which is found in us and God knows the intents of our hearts. If one ask for forgiveness before they sin are they forgiven? Answer to that in my perspective would be why would one sin willingly knowing they are going to sin. Grace does not give us a license to sin.

God is the life giver and in Him are we made in His image. Who has that right to take away what God has given.
Psalms 33:18-22; 1Corinthians 6:19, 20; Proverbs 3:1-6.

 

[JLB]

I wrote this after I was contemplating suicide many years ago as I really never knew what would happen if I went through with it. I pray this will bless others .

Those who contemplate suicide are caught up in three devastating feelings: hurt, abandonment and doubt as they feel no hope of the future. If they do not have a relationship with Christ through that of a Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-7, then they are already destined to go to the lake of fire as their names are not found in the Lambs book of Life and will come under Gods judgement.

Many Christians who are weak in faith also contemplate suicide when things get unbearable in their life because they become consumed with their problems leaning on their own understandings instead of leaning on God whom is their help in times of trouble. This allows Satan who comes to kill, steal and destroy prey on them and steal what little faith they have.

The question is, even if they have weak faith do they still go to Hell if they commit suicide? I think it is possible because they lost all faith and hope in God therefore leaving themselves void of God in their life, which would cause them to be separated from God as they turn from that faith which is Christ Jesus. We also have Gods commandment thou shall not kill. God will forgive a murder who repents, but where is repentance if you are dead and can no longer ask for it. It repented (having regretted) Judas that he sold out for that of riches and even though he gave the money back he went and hung himself, Matthew 27:3-5, instead of asking Jesus to forgive him instead.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future for Christ paid the price for all sin even though we fall short at times, but grace keeps us in that of Gods righteousness which is found in us and God knows the intents of our hearts. If one ask for forgiveness before they sin are they forgiven? Answer to that in my perspective would be why would one sin willingly knowing they are going to sin. Grace does not give us a license to sin.

God is the life giver and in Him are we made in His image. Who has that right to take away what God has given.
Psalms 33:18-22; 1Corinthians 6:19, 20; Proverbs 3:1-6.

Thank you precious child of God, for sharing your personal testimony with us.

God is so good, and has blessed you with grace and strength to overcome this terrible dark time in your life.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future

This is wonderful.

Could you share where this is found in the bible?


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus bore all our sins on the cross and this includes suicide.
There is only one sin that can't be forgiven and that's rejecting Jesus.

Whilst the majority of suicides are due to depression there are other forms of suicide as well.
People who partake in dangerous sports and pastimes & stunts do so in the knowledge that one wrong move could kill them. Their actions could lead to their death. If that happened and they were beleivers would we say they go to hell? Of course not.

So why would say of someone who suffers from a mental illness whose actions lead to their death.
The problem is mental health issues can be caused by past experiences and also medical reasons.
If it's medical a person may have no idea what's causing and unless it's diagnosed they will carry this baggage around.

A big issue for me is that for some reason the church seems to shy away from this. People who suffer mental health issues tend to be reluctant to talk about it. We need to realise that there genuine beleivers who suffer deeply. The church's attitude should be one of love and compassion and an outlet for people to feel safe and unashamed to be honest.

The church is guilty of this fluffy wuffy attitude of "your a Christian, what have you got to be depressed about, trust in Jesus and everything will be ok (note I'm not saying that is the case) but when a person struggling with depression that attitude does not help, they don't want this illness and even pray for healing but when it doesn't seem to happen they become further depressed and probably feel guilty because there must be some reason why God is allowing it and it could be sin related amongst other things and therefore God is punishing them.

The church needs to wake up and smell the coffee. It needs to a place of refuge, love, compassion, acceptance.
People need to feel safe to be honest and not fear being judged and told "read your bible more, pray more etc"

So in my humble opinion if a beleiver takes his own life is doing so to escape their hell on earth, and I beleive will be with Jesus no longer suffering their hell like life on Earth and praise Jesus will be living in heaven for ever.

Some churches shy away from helping those who are suicidal as they have no understanding whatsoever. I was actually attending a certain church when I was contemplating suicide years ago and ask to meet with the Pastor. OK, we met and I told him my feelings and all I got in return was literally a pat on the back and told I was a strong person and can handle my feelings. Ya, like that was suppose to help me.............it made me feel even worse and even more discouraged. I left that church to attend another for which I know the Holy Spirit led me to. There, it was not only the Pastor, but the whole congregation that stepped out of their comfort zone to help me in my time of despair as they talked with me and prayed with me and showed me how to overcome those feelings I had. Full restoration came from the Holy Spirit and I will always be thankful and always be there for others in need.

Let the church be the Church and it's congregation be that of God for He alone gets all the praise and glory.

 

[Wrg1405]

Some churches shy away from helping those who are suicidal as they have no understanding whatsoever. I was actually attending a certain church when I was contemplating suicide years ago and ask to meet with the Pastor. OK, we met and I told him my feelings and all I got in return was literally a pat on the back and told I was a strong person and can handle my feelings. Ya, like that was suppose to help me.............it made me feel even worse and even more discouraged. I left that church to attend another for which I know the Holy Spirit led me to. There, it was not only the Pastor, but the whole congregation that stepped out of their comfort zone to help me in my time of despair as they talked with me and prayed with me and showed me how to overcome those feelings I had. Full restoration came from the Holy Spirit and I will always be thankful and always be there for others in need.

Let the church be the Church and it's congregation be that of God for He alone gets all the praise and glory.

Thank you Jesus. Thanks for helping for_his_glory. Thank you for providing a place where your precious daughter a place of refuge, a place of refuge with loving, Christ seeking believers who were willing to step out of their comfort zone because they love you and you so love people. I also thank you that your precious daughter can now help others.

I'm in tears, tears of joy for your restoration. You precious lady, never ever forget that. You are precious to us and so so so so so so precious to God. He loves you so deeply, it's so deep that we will never understand it but it's true.

He loves us as much as he loves Jesus.

 

[Wrg1405]

Some churches shy away from helping those who are suicidal as they have no understanding whatsoever. I was actually attending a certain church when I was contemplating suicide years ago and ask to meet with the Pastor. OK, we met and I told him my feelings and all I got in return was literally a pat on the back and told I was a strong person and can handle my feelings. Ya, like that was suppose to help me.............it made me feel even worse and even more discouraged. I left that church to attend another for which I know the Holy Spirit led me to. There, it was not only the Pastor, but the whole congregation that stepped out of their comfort zone to help me in my time of despair as they talked with me and prayed with me and showed me how to overcome those feelings I had. Full restoration came from the Holy Spirit and I will always be thankful and always be there for others in need.

Let the church be the Church and it's congregation be that of God for He alone gets all the praise and glory.

Thank you Jesus. Thanks for helping for_his_glory. Thank you for providing a place where your precious daughter a place of refuge, a place of refuge with loving, Christ seeking believers who were willing to step out of their comfort zone because they love you and you so love people. I also thank you that your precious daughter can now help others.

I'm in tears, tears of joy for your restoration. You precious lady, never ever forget that. You are precious to us and so so so so so so precious to God. He loves you so deeply, it's so deep that we will never understand it but it's true.

He loves us as much as he loves Jesus.

 

[Wrg1405]

Sorry about the double post

 

[JLB]

Sorry about the double post

It was good, and needed to be posted twice.


JLB

 

[evenifigoalone]

Mmmm...well, if you want my view as someone's who also been suicidal....if you are in enough pain, you get desperate.
We all feel physical pain, so think of it this way: If you are in enough constant physical pain, you begin to feel like not existing would be better. It's the same concept with psychological pain--simply because it's not pain you get from nerve endings doesn't make it hurt any less.

Suicide is never right, it's never the answer. But I don't think it will send someone to hell. That said, wanna be careful in saying that as those who are in that state of mind can take that as encouragement. Uncertainty regarding where I'd end up was a factor in my never attempting suicide, even though I never truly believed it'd send me to hell. I also didn't want to arrive in heaven only for God to be disappointed in me.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you precious child of God, for sharing your personal testimony with us.

God is so good, and has blessed you with grace and strength to overcome this terrible dark time in your life.




This is wonderful.

Could you share where this is found in the bible?


JLB

We are alive in Christ and raised up with Him and seated with Him in heavenly places (not literally, but Spiritually). We are made righteous by that of Gods righteousness that sees us as being perfect before Him. God does not count our sins against us after we believed in Christ and walk not after the flesh, but walk after the Spirit. God is aware that we will mess up at times and is quick to chastise us for correction as a good Father should as when we are disciplined we will remain holy before Him.
Ephesians 2:4-8; Romans 8:1; Hebrews 12:4-13; John 6:37,39.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you Jesus. Thanks for helping for_his_glory. Thank you for providing a place where your precious daughter a place of refuge, a place of refuge with loving, Christ seeking believers who were willing to step out of their comfort zone because they love you and you so love people. I also thank you that your precious daughter can now help others.

I'm in tears, tears of joy for your restoration. You precious lady, never ever forget that. You are precious to us and so so so so so so precious to God. He loves you so deeply, it's so deep that we will never understand it but it's true.

He loves us as much as he loves Jesus.

Thank you Wrg . Now I can and have helped others that are going through the same things I went through as one truly can not understand and counsel another unless they have been through it themselves. God has truly given me the gift of counseling and He gets all the glory for those He speaks to through using me as His voice.

 

[Wrg1405]

I wrote this after I was contemplating suicide many years ago as I really never knew what would happen if I went through with it. I pray this will bless others .

Those who contemplate suicide are caught up in three devastating feelings: hurt, abandonment and doubt as they feel no hope of the future. If they do not have a relationship with Christ through that of a Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-7, then they are already destined to go to the lake of fire as their names are not found in the Lambs book of Life and will come under Gods judgement.

Many Christians who are weak in faith also contemplate suicide when things get unbearable in their life because they become consumed with their problems leaning on their own understandings instead of leaning on God whom is their help in times of trouble. This allows Satan who comes to kill, steal and destroy prey on them and steal what little faith they have.

The question is, even if they have weak faith do they still go to Hell if they commit suicide? I think it is possible because they lost all faith and hope in God therefore leaving themselves void of God in their life, which would cause them to be separated from God as they turn from that faith which is Christ Jesus. We also have Gods commandment thou shall not kill. God will forgive a murder who repents, but where is repentance if you are dead and can no longer ask for it. It repented (having regretted) Judas that he sold out for that of riches and even though he gave the money back he went and hung himself, Matthew 27:3-5, instead of asking Jesus to forgive him instead.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future for Christ paid the price for all sin even though we fall short at times, but grace keeps us in that of Gods righteousness which is found in us and God knows the intents of our hearts. If one ask for forgiveness before they sin are they forgiven? Answer to that in my perspective would be why would one sin willingly knowing they are going to sin. Grace does not give us a license to sin.

God is the life giver and in Him are we made in His image. Who has that right to take away what God has given.
Psalms 33:18-22; 1Corinthians 6:19, 20; Proverbs 3:1-6.

I echo JLB, THANKS for sharing.

I know what it's like to contemplate suicide, to want to die. To escape the hell I was living on this earth.

I suffer with severe anxiety, I constantly have 1 billion butterflies in my stomach. Sometimes it's a million and with no apparent reason it's back to a billion.

For 20 years my anxiety woke me up every morning at 3. Full of fear. I was tired, emotionally, physically and spiritually. No hope for the future, just hell on earth.

I remember many times driving on the motorway, just one quick turn of the wheel over a bridge it would be over. I would go to work earlier to see if the motorway was clear to allow me to do it. A voice in my head was saying "Go on Bill turn the wheel" On one occasion I was actually hit by a truck and bounced off the barriers and survived.

I got to the stage after 20 years of waking up at 3 I started to ask God, end my life for me, please kill me I have had enough.

Now this may shock you all but I'm a husband to a beautiful wife and have 4 kids. I genuinely beleived that they would be better of if I wasn't around and genuinely beleived that God would take care of them. As for me I had no idea where I was going if I died.

Obviously I've not turned the wheel on my car and God has not taken my life. I still suffer with anxiety and yes at times I don't want to drag my sorry ass out of bed. At times anxiety overtakes me and I withdraw and at times I fight it and drag my sorry ass out of bed.

I came to the realisation that having been hit by a truck and survived (And it was a mess) and having begged God to kill me and he hasn't there is a reason.

That reason is starting to bear fruit. Coming alongside others who are like me.

There is hope in the name of Jesus and God works in our weakness to manifest his glory and to help us come alongside people in their weakness

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry about the double post

It was so good it brought tears to my eyes twice

 

[Wrg1405]

It was good, and needed to be posted twice.


JLB

Funny thing is when I saw it posted twice I did think oh no but then I thought maybe it's meant to be read twice.

 

[for_his_glory]

I echo JLB, THANKS for sharing.

I know what it's like to contemplate suicide, to want to die. To escape the hell I was living on this earth.

I suffer with severe anxiety, I constantly have 1 billion butterflies in my stomach. Sometimes it's a million and with no apparent reason it's back to a billion.

For 20 years my anxiety woke me up every morning at 3. Full of fear. I was tired, emotionally, physically and spiritually. No hope for the future, just hell on earth.

I remember many times driving on the motorway, just one quick turn of the wheel over a bridge it would be over. I would go to work earlier to see if the motorway was clear to allow me to do it. A voice in my head was saying "Go on Bill turn the wheel" On one occasion I was actually hit by a truck and bounced off the barriers and survived.

I got to the stage after 20 years of waking up at 3 I started to ask God, end my life for me, please kill me I have had enough.

Now this may shock you all but I'm a husband to a beautiful wife and have 4 kids. I genuinely beleived that they would be better of if I wasn't around and genuinely beleived that God would take care of them. As for me I had no idea where I was going if I died.

Obviously I've not turned the wheel on my car and God has not taken my life. I still suffer with anxiety and yes at times I don't want to drag my sorry ass out of bed. At times anxiety overtakes me and I withdraw and at times I fight it and drag my sorry ass out of bed.

I came to the realisation that having been hit by a truck and survived (And it was a mess) and having begged God to kill me and he hasn't there is a reason.

That reason is starting to bear fruit. Coming alongside others who are like me.

There is hope in the name of Jesus and God works in our weakness to manifest his glory and to help us come alongside people in their weakness

Lord I lift Bill up to you who is your precious child. I pray and come against his anxiety and cast it out of his life that in your name Jesus he is made whole again as he goes forth to the nations as a witness and testimony of your mercy and grace. Thank you Lord for Bill who you have placed in my life as a true brother and bless him and all his family as you prosper him with whatever he sets his hands to do that will bring glory and honor to your name. Thank you Jesus, amen.

 

[Wrg1405]

also didn't want to arrive in heaven only for God to be disappointed in me.

Me neither but it is a big fear that I have. I do struggle with the prospect of hearing "Oh Bill I suppose I have to let you in"

 

[Wrg1405]

Lord I lift Bill up to you who is your precious child. I pray and come against his anxiety and cast it out of his life that in your name Jesus he is made whole again as he goes forth to the nations as a witness and testimony of your mercy and grace. Thank you Lord for Bill who you have placed in my life as a true brother and bless him and all his family as you prosper him with whatever he sets his hands to do that will bring glory and honor to your name. Thank you Jesus, amen.

Amen thank you for praying. It means a lot to me.

 

[for_his_glory]

Mmmm...well, if you want my view as someone's who also been suicidal....if you are in enough pain, you get desperate.
We all feel physical pain, so think of it this way: If you are in enough constant physical pain, you begin to feel like not existing would be better. It's the same concept with psychological pain--simply because it's not pain you get from nerve endings doesn't make it hurt any less.

Suicide is never right, it's never the answer. But I don't think it will send someone to hell. That said, wanna be careful in saying that as those who are in that state of mind can take that as encouragement. Uncertainty regarding where I'd end up was a factor in my never attempting suicide, even though I never truly believed it'd send me to hell. I also didn't want to arrive in heaven only for God to be disappointed in me.

Christ will never let go of those who are given to Him, John 6:37-38. When I was contemplating suicide I was still His even if I would have ended it all for only God knows our heart and who are His own. Physical and mental pain can take you to places you really do not want to go to as at times I think about it, but know God has more for me to do here on earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Amen thank you for praying. It means a lot to me.

 

[Wrg1405]

Back at ya