Blake
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I think when it comes to church buildings, the dress code is "wear clothes." Anything else is just the tradition of man.
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Do Christians Stand out in the way they dress?
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Obadiah
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He's absolutely happy to hear your prayers when you're in the shower, or wearing a hoodie, or anything else for that matter! Of course He's not offended by that!
Corn Pop
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Lol. I agree. My point was more saying i dont think it worries God what people to church. Hoodies, shorts, suit, shirt, sandles, jandles whatever.
AirDancer
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How would you design fashion for males & females if you were a fashion designer?
Blake
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Yessir! I pray most in my truck. It's my personal Holy of Holies. In fact I'd say my truck has seen more tears and praise than my church has.
Blake
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Jandles? You've gone too far, heretic.
Obadiah
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I think this whole idea that when a man "looks at a woman lustfully" it's her fault because of the way she dressed really doesn't hold water. Several years ago I wrote up a study on that very thing, and it was very telling and surprising to find out that the areas of he world with the highest rate of sexual crimes against women were Muslim areas where women are forced to cover every inch of their skin with clothing that gives no hint all as to what they look like! On the flip side of that, the areas of the world that traditionally had the lowest incidence of sexual crimes were places like Scandinavian countries where it's very common to see people wearing very little clothes, if any at all when they are out in places like beaches, etc. So I just don't buy the idea that when someone can't control their sexual thoughts it's the fault of the other person for the way they dressed while they are simply dressed in the way of their time, place, and situation.
This is not something we need to worry about as Christians. Jesus didn't dress in a way to call attention to His piety, and in fact criticized others who did. We are never told in scripture that we are to follow the ways of other religions, whether it be in how they dress or in anything else. Neither do we have to dress in some absurd way to draw attention to ourselves as Christians. Let's draw attention to ourselves by our agape love (as we ARE told in scripture that people will recognize us), not by dressing differently from everyone else therefore making us outcasts and undesirable in their eyes. Our testimony is supposed to make those "of the world" want what we have, not make them glad they aren't part of us and aren't subject to nonsensical rules that so many Christians want to impose on each other.
This is not something we need to worry about as Christians. Jesus didn't dress in a way to call attention to His piety, and in fact criticized others who did. We are never told in scripture that we are to follow the ways of other religions, whether it be in how they dress or in anything else. Neither do we have to dress in some absurd way to draw attention to ourselves as Christians. Let's draw attention to ourselves by our agape love (as we ARE told in scripture that people will recognize us), not by dressing differently from everyone else therefore making us outcasts and undesirable in their eyes. Our testimony is supposed to make those "of the world" want what we have, not make them glad they aren't part of us and aren't subject to nonsensical rules that so many Christians want to impose on each other.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but in some cultures women being topless is not sexual at all. (Ie, the breasts aren't treated or seen as sexual and fetishized objects.) I'm not saying that makes it okay, but perhaps it is unacceptable more because of our society's oversexualization than anything else.
I do agree that we are not to dress in ways that will draw sexual attention to ourselves. But I think the verses on modesty are not just referring to that, they seem to be referring to dressing in any way that draws attention to yourself. An example that is mentioned in the Bible is dressing in ways that show off your wealth.
As for what's acceptable in our society...I'd consider yoga pants, super low cut shirts, etc to be immodest, yeah. Don't even understand the appeal...I like my clothes comfy.
I do agree that we are not to dress in ways that will draw sexual attention to ourselves. But I think the verses on modesty are not just referring to that, they seem to be referring to dressing in any way that draws attention to yourself. An example that is mentioned in the Bible is dressing in ways that show off your wealth.
As for what's acceptable in our society...I'd consider yoga pants, super low cut shirts, etc to be immodest, yeah. Don't even understand the appeal...I like my clothes comfy.
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Not_Now.Soon
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Three thoughts. One is to try not to be a stubling block for another. In the case it was talked about it was discussing what foods were ok to eat, and whether they count the sabbath as holy or every day as holy. If you know someone has an issue with something, and you do it around them anyways you make it harder on them. In our culture sexulazation is a very hard stumbling block. It's also one of our first points of judgment, by how they look. In both ways dressing to be more attractive helps the judgments other people give you. Dressing attractively in our culture is also connected with associating someone as a sexual thing instead of just beautiful or handsome.
Second thought is that we are suppose to be known as Christians by the love we have for one another and everyone in general. So that might need to be part of the standard either higher then what we're wearing, or instead of what we're wearing.
Last one is that modest is a cultural thing. What counts as modest might be less wealth and jewelry, less boasting kind of clothing (like what the religous leaders wore to boast about how rightous they were) and here modest in the sense of less sexualization. I mean it's a cultural thing because what is accepted in one culture may be over doing it in another.
I don't really have a solid answer for you, but these are thoughts to consider.
Second thought is that we are suppose to be known as Christians by the love we have for one another and everyone in general. So that might need to be part of the standard either higher then what we're wearing, or instead of what we're wearing.
Last one is that modest is a cultural thing. What counts as modest might be less wealth and jewelry, less boasting kind of clothing (like what the religous leaders wore to boast about how rightous they were) and here modest in the sense of less sexualization. I mean it's a cultural thing because what is accepted in one culture may be over doing it in another.
I don't really have a solid answer for you, but these are thoughts to consider.
jeff77
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I think I can understand this concerning girls since I have a daughter. She is only 4 but I have often thought about what my wife and I should allow her to wear when she gets older. So yes, I do think it is important for Christians to dress modestly to some degree both in and out of church. Also a person of the opposite sex that is very attractive can be a distraction no matter how modest they are dressed.
LovethroughDove
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God was using my husband to tell me "no cleavage". I wouldn't wear booty shorts anyways. I wear normal clothes with no cleavage and mainly capris in summer and jeans/colored jeans in winter.
Lewis
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You mean the Muslim burqua
yes
Obadiah
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Didn't everyone in that part of the world cover their heads back then? I heard it was to protect them from the hot sun, nothing to do with God.
Yes the haradem do this.but I was kidding
JohnDB
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So when the Israelites were slaves in Egypt/Misery they pretty much were naked all the time. Women wore a tiny apron that covered their primary sex organ and nothing else. Men wore a penis sheath and nothing else. All throughout the Old Testament nakedness was a backhanded reference to those slavery days and their lack of education and treatment.
That didn't mean that opposite sex didn't see each other in the nude all the time. Restrooms and bathing was pretty much a co-ed situation... Especially for the Romans who used the baths as a brothel/pagan God temple. Most Israelites only bathed maybe once a week unless it was a ritual bath in a mikveh.
The old ladies loved the latrines as it was the best place to pick up gossip for repeating later.
The Romans played all sports in the nude as clothing would hinder your performance and the gym was right next to where the Early Christians would meet weekly. There were no walls separating the areas.
Nudity was never a taboo untill a queen of England claimed to be Pius and that any nudity was a horrible sin.
Shortly thereafter Europe was in a "I'm holier than Thou" contest and everyone competed to see who was tougher on sin.
So when colonization of American began it was with that mindset... Along with the cold temps that perpetuated the custom.
Europeans went back to normal but the colonies never strayed from the practice.
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So when the Israelites were slaves in Egypt/Misery they pretty much were naked all the time. Women wore a tiny apron that covered their primary sex organ and nothing else. Men wore a penis sheath and nothing else. All throughout the Old Testament nakedness was a backhanded reference to those slavery days and their lack of education and treatment.
That didn't mean that opposite sex didn't see each other in the nude all the time. Restrooms and bathing was pretty much a co-ed situation... Especially for the Romans who used the baths as a brothel/pagan God temple. Most Israelites only bathed maybe once a week unless it was a ritual bath in a mikveh.
The old ladies loved the latrines as it was the best place to pick up gossip for repeating later.
The Romans played all sports in the nude as clothing would hinder your performance and the gym was right next to where the Early Christians would meet weekly. There were no walls separating the areas.
Nudity was never a taboo untill a queen of England claimed to be Pius and that any nudity was a horrible sin.
Shortly thereafter Europe was in a "I'm holier than Thou" contest and everyone competed to see who was tougher on sin.
So when colonization of American began it was with that mindset... Along with the cold temps that perpetuated the custom.
Europeans went back to normal but the colonies never strayed from the practice.