The problem with pride I have seen in the A&P forum is not being able to accept correction. But it has become apparent to me, like flat earthers perhaps, that they know they're wrong, they just want to challenge the way things are and any sense of authority that enforces it, in the interest of serving a personal agenda, not doing it for the sake of truth itself. Subjects like homosexuality, alcohol, and marriage are good examples. They'll fight you tooth and nail about those things, not because they're interested in the truth, but because of what it means to them personally.