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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Imagican
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Hmm! Never heard that one before. Could I impose upon you to give a reference, please?kwag_myers said:
Considering Revelation 18:2 and 19:19, I would have to say yes. If you relate sin to demonic activity, then we know that there is sin on the earth right up until the final judgement in Chapter 20. Again, this would (based on the theory that demons cause sin) support the idea that demons will exist until the final judgement.Imagican said:
The only reference in scripture that I am aware of is in Revelation 12:4, which refers to "the third part of the stars of heaven". Some commentators, such as David Guzik feel this is how many angels fell with Satan. I am unaware that angels or demons have the ability to multiply. However, in Genesis 6:4 we see that angels are able to mate with humans, but only to produce another human.Imagican said:
In my opinion, the church has fallen into the same state that it was in when Jesus began His ministry. We have lost our relationship with God and turned instead to a religion of dead works, i.e., gone from spiritual to cardinal (1 Corinthians 3:3). Since the church no longer has power over demons (see my thread on unbelief), they choose to ignore the existence. Seeking to build a "country club" atmosphere were "all are welcome". I think that the message to Sardis (Revelation 3) is very appropriate for the church today.[/quote:96a00]Imagican said:
kwag,
So we finally agree upon something. This is a good thing. I couldn't agree more with your observation of the state of the 'church', in it's present state. We have become much more concerned with the creation than with the Creator. We worship ourselves and others much more than that offered to God Himself. And I too believe that this is the reason that demons are not explained better or dwelt upon more deeply by the church. Demons would rather remain hidden and unknown in order to influence those that they enter.
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Imagican
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I find it extremely interesting that the majority of the comments on this thread at least semi-agree with my views on this subject. If there are so many among this small group that seem to understand the importance of the recognition of demonic forces among us then why have we allowed the church to ignore this issue. We ARE the body. How could we sit in a room and allow our leaders and teachers to ignore this issue. How can one be prepared to fight and defend oneself against an unknown enemy?
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Imagican
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I too believe that one who claims to be a Christian could certainly entertain demons. Sins by carelessness are certainly not the same as those that are planned upon. It's one thing to not recognize someone in need or to think badly about someone through our fleshly nature. This would still be sin. But to plan the adulterous seduction of a congregation memeber is beyond sin by nature and runs over into the entertaining of demons, (or a demon). It happens and we all know it. To deny this simply fact would indicate to me that the one in denial would most likely be so by the influence of a demon trying to protect it's comfortable home.
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quadding101
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Here goes. I will tell u the truth but i will not argue with any about it. U can do with this as u wish. When God create the angels, He created them like the military but instead of rank He gave them power and authority. If u will imagine a pyramid with lines horizonal. With the least in power on the bottom like privates going up to general or archangel. As far as we know God created 3 archangel maybe more. Michael, Grabrial, and lucifer. Lucifer may have been God's 5 star general because he had authority over the earth at one time. Lucifer pursuaded some of the higher angel to go along with him in a rebellion and they inturn persuaded 1/3 of the lesser angels to go along with a rebellion. I do not know if they thought they could overthrow God with their combined power or just gain their independance. Probably the latter is more like it. The angels rebelled because they wanted what God would not allow and they wanted it more than they wanted God. If they would have wanted God most then they would not have rebelled. What they did is why we r here. To be tested and tried, molded and made ready for heaven. God will have no more rebellion in His kingdom. I will not get into this right now if i have time i will make other posts that will answer other questions. God cast lucifer and the 1/3 of angels out of heaven and they came down to earth. One of the things that God did was to take away their bodies so that they would be spirit beings only. They can and do inhabit people, places, and things. Because of what Adam and Eve did,God allowed the fallen angels or demons to inhabit man. The inborn nature that the bible talks about is a demon spirit. Everyone has their own demon that inhabits their spiritual heart. When u recieve God's Spirit into ur heart the inborn nature is cast out and ur heart is purifyed. This demon is a fallen angel that is the least in power and authority. It does not have the power to possess u as in demon possession. To be possessed by a demon it takes several with their combined power or one of a higher power. But it controls u by raising up desires and emotions in ur heart, it gives u urges and impressions and puts thought into ur head. When God's Spirit comes into ur heart the inborn nature is cast out and with it goes desires and emotions like lust, greed, envy, jealousy etc. because God will not dwell where sin dwells. When these emotions and desires r cast out they r no longer in control of u,it is how God makes it possible to say no to sin. As long as the inborn nature is in ur heart it will compel u to sin but when God's Spirit is in ur heart sin becomes a choice. This inborn nature is no longer in ur heart but it is still with u waiting for a chance to get back into ur heart and raising up emotions trying to get u to give into them and get them into ur heart once again and once in ur heart the inborn nature will control with that emotion and try to get more into ur heart. It is what lucifer did,let pride into His heart. We must ask forgivness and ask God to purifyour heart again. Because of illegal drugs which is a form of devil worship I lost God's Spirit out of my heartand the inborn nature came back into my heart like a flood. With it came 7 others that were worse than the first and the control that they had over me was almost as of i were demon possessed. I had no faith left so i called an elderly woman that was in our church that i had a lot of confidence in to come and pray with me. In just a few minutes i knew that God had forgiven me but i prayed all night and almost all the next day before God's Spirit would come back into my heart. Those that do haveGod's Spirit in their heart will understand what i am talking about. I hope this helps someone
NO of course NOT .demons can not live in all people .They do put thoughts in peoples minds .satan fell because of his beauity.The others followed because of him .they still have there bodys .the ones who raped the women of the earth are in chains of darkness ,awaiting judgement .the rest are ,trying to decieve man kind .they are beaten ,if we but use the name of JESUS CHRIST .They cannot hurt GOD ,but attack who GOD LOVES .mankind.They are decievers .They can only do ?What we allow .The HOLY SPIRIT enters our beings ,when BORN of GOD .No demon can dwell in a BORN of GOD being.
They cause all the evil on the earth .
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Jam 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Mar 3:15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
This power is for every child of GOD !
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
They cause all the evil on the earth .
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Jam 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Mar 3:15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
This power is for every child of GOD !
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
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LastDayRemnant
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Do i believe in Demons...yes, i think i'm married to one. :-D
Seriously though...I have only been in a few deliverence services and the only ones i ever helped were Christians. They were friends who were saved before the deliverence and they would tell you they knew Jesus before they were delivered. They definately had demons too. The demons were talking thru them just like you hear about and there was the tearing and the screaming as they came out. I think the longer a person has a demon the more deep rooted they are and harder to get out. The Lord also showed us that what we were doing was the tearing down of strongholds. If the devil can convince you that you can't have demons if you are a christian then his home is safe. The demons all had names too and if you knew their name it seemed to weaken them because they were exposed. I remember one day i was at work and the Lord spoke the words "sexual perversion" to me. I had no idea what he meant at the time, but later that night i was in a deliverence service at somebodys house. They were delivering a girl and was having trouble to get the demon to come out. The Lord quickened to me what he had said earlier in the day, so i called for the spirit of sexual perversion to come out of her. That was all it took as he was exposed and knew he was beat.
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Seriously though...I have only been in a few deliverence services and the only ones i ever helped were Christians. They were friends who were saved before the deliverence and they would tell you they knew Jesus before they were delivered. They definately had demons too. The demons were talking thru them just like you hear about and there was the tearing and the screaming as they came out. I think the longer a person has a demon the more deep rooted they are and harder to get out. The Lord also showed us that what we were doing was the tearing down of strongholds. If the devil can convince you that you can't have demons if you are a christian then his home is safe. The demons all had names too and if you knew their name it seemed to weaken them because they were exposed. I remember one day i was at work and the Lord spoke the words "sexual perversion" to me. I had no idea what he meant at the time, but later that night i was in a deliverence service at somebodys house. They were delivering a girl and was having trouble to get the demon to come out. The Lord quickened to me what he had said earlier in the day, so i called for the spirit of sexual perversion to come out of her. That was all it took as he was exposed and knew he was beat.
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No ,Those BORN of GOD can not have a demon living within them ,The HOLY SPIRIT can not live with a demon.And will not.Now they do dwell in the people who are not born of GOD ,[some]But mostly they torture people with evil thoughts or thoughts that keep people in bondage to a degree .
You understand?many are called but few choosen ?Because I do not believe that many are born of GOd or even take on the mind of JESUS CHRIST .Many people are nice and seem to love the LORD JESUS CHRIST ,But have never had a real born of GOD experiance .Have no idea what being born again or a 2nd time is .Many get mad when these things are shown or revealed .And even reject those scriptures ,which arte many or say in the greek ,it means something else .As I do not count the greek as full truth .As I think it by passes the HOLY GHOST ,who was given to us ,That we might know TRUTh .But man kind would rather be taught by another person ?Then you go no highter than your teacher .But if you make the HOLY SPIRIT your teacher ?You can know what our LORD knows in time?
You understand?many are called but few choosen ?Because I do not believe that many are born of GOd or even take on the mind of JESUS CHRIST .Many people are nice and seem to love the LORD JESUS CHRIST ,But have never had a real born of GOD experiance .Have no idea what being born again or a 2nd time is .Many get mad when these things are shown or revealed .And even reject those scriptures ,which arte many or say in the greek ,it means something else .As I do not count the greek as full truth .As I think it by passes the HOLY GHOST ,who was given to us ,That we might know TRUTh .But man kind would rather be taught by another person ?Then you go no highter than your teacher .But if you make the HOLY SPIRIT your teacher ?You can know what our LORD knows in time?
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
They can do nothing to GODS kids unless we allow it.And we should not allow them even in our homes .We should rebuke there thoughts and resisit there thoughts .We have the power in the name of JESUS CHRIST ,to cast them out of others .We are powerful beings.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
You if born of GOD ,have every power any other has because we all have the same HOLY SPIRIT .of course HE gives the gifts as needed in the body .
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
They can do nothing to GODS kids unless we allow it.And we should not allow them even in our homes .We should rebuke there thoughts and resisit there thoughts .We have the power in the name of JESUS CHRIST ,to cast them out of others .We are powerful beings.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
You if born of GOD ,have every power any other has because we all have the same HOLY SPIRIT .of course HE gives the gifts as needed in the body .
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LastDayRemnant
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You say the Holy Spirit cannot live with a demon? Those are your words, not the bibles. A demon will go anywhere he can. Yes, we do have control over devils just like the bible says we do. And we used that authoity to cast devils out of those christians. I knew all these people personally that got delivered and they were saved before the deliverence. It sounds good what you say that God and the devil can't coexist in your body but it isn't scriptual. I have been there and seen it with my eyes and heard it with my ears, so you can't convince me otherwise. Have you ever been involved in a deliverence ? I myself would not deliver anybody until they got saved in case the demons returned and left that person in worse shape than before. Once the devil has been exposed than a saved person can keep them out on their own.
LDR
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Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
You understand this scripture?
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Can satan live in the temple with a demon?
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
AS HE IS ?WE ARE NOW! You understand this scripture?
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
You see we overcome,We do not allow demons to enter our being.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
THIS CHURCH HE RETURNS FOR HAS NO SIN OR EVIL IN IT !
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
You understand this scripture?
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Can satan live in the temple with a demon?
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
AS HE IS ?WE ARE NOW! You understand this scripture?
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
You see we overcome,We do not allow demons to enter our being.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
THIS CHURCH HE RETURNS FOR HAS NO SIN OR EVIL IN IT !
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
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LastDayRemnant
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I will give you a perfect example. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer who cannibilized those young kids? Definitely demon possessed for a person to rape another person and eat their flesh. Anyway i saw where someone had led him to the Lord and he got saved. He was excited about his new faith in God but...he still had those old feelings come over him. Now, just because he got saved it did NOT drive the demons out. This is what i have witnessed before. I have seen people get baptized in the spirit and it did drive the demons out. So, i know what i have witnessed and i'll ask you again how much experience do you have in deliverence? Also, it is an old book, but if you can find a book called "pigs in the parlor" it is an excellent book on deliverence from someone who had a deliverence ministry.
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kwag_myers
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As I stated in my first post (back on page 2), all who where delivered from demon possession by Jesus must have been believers, i.e., Christians (example: Matthew 9:21). The worst thing that you can do is cast a demon out of an unbeliever. The result is that it comes back with a few friends - Matthew 12:43-45. The only thing that can fill the void is the Holy Spirit.
When a Christian has a stronghold in their life, they have to deal with that stronghold first. If there is a demon as a result of the stronghold, you can cast it out, but if you don't deal with the stronghold (bind the strongman - Mark 3:27) the demon has an open door back.
When a Christian has a stronghold in their life, they have to deal with that stronghold first. If there is a demon as a result of the stronghold, you can cast it out, but if you don't deal with the stronghold (bind the strongman - Mark 3:27) the demon has an open door back.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Good to cast out demons ,cast them out of all .Because they cannnot dwell with in the BODY of JESUS CHRIST .As you can see plainly .HIS body is perfect ,with out spot .your uinderstanding is flawed .But you mean well .
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Too know of JESUS CHRIST is not To know HIm .
Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
These you speak of ,have not known the LORD .
Oh many say they are christ like .Being BORN of GOD .Is the new birth .We become new creatures ,no longer of this world .trapped in these weak bodys .spirit being just like the LORD JESUS CHRIST .made in his image.
I fear people do not understand the new birth or we can say?the inner man born of GOD .
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Good to cast out demons ,cast them out of all .Because they cannnot dwell with in the BODY of JESUS CHRIST .As you can see plainly .HIS body is perfect ,with out spot .your uinderstanding is flawed .But you mean well .
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Too know of JESUS CHRIST is not To know HIm .
Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
These you speak of ,have not known the LORD .
Oh many say they are christ like .Being BORN of GOD .Is the new birth .We become new creatures ,no longer of this world .trapped in these weak bodys .spirit being just like the LORD JESUS CHRIST .made in his image.
I fear people do not understand the new birth or we can say?the inner man born of GOD .
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KnarfKS
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First of all not all evil thoughts are demon driven. People have evil thoughts on their own as well. If you are an alcoholic and become a Christian it doesn't mean you are not an alcoholic anymore.
Secondly, experience is not always the best witness to the truth. I have seen some things that could have driven me from the truth of God's word, but in the end it wasn't a problem with God's word. It was a problem of my perception of events. Also the power of suggestion is an amazing thing. You can suggest many things and people can believe them. Look at Benny Hinn and his "ministry". He is not of God. He is one of the most heretical people on this planet, leading people astray from the word of God. But people still believe he heals. They still write out those checks.
Have you ever thought that rather than demons being expelled it was actually just their hearts being reformed by God?
spirit1st,
Remember that we do become new creatures, but we still have old things to deal with. We do not become spotless or perfect upon receiving Christ, but we do become a work in progress, moving towards perfection and completion.
Remember that we do become new creatures, but we still have old things to deal with. We do not become spotless or perfect upon receiving Christ, but we do become a work in progress, moving towards perfection and completion.
But it cannot be discarded either and can be a very power witness to the truth.KnarfKS said:
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KnarfKS
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I agree that it can definately testify to the power and will of God. But if it is taken to mean more than scripture it is a very dangerous thing.
Demons exist yes, demon possession exists yes, but not within a true Christian.
We have the same old problems that might have been initially cause by the demons and may still allow suggestions into our heads, but that is not possession. The suggestions don't go out of our head when the Spirit comes in, but the demon has to leave if there is one within a person. A demon can not control a Christian with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, otherwise the demon would be controlling the Holy Spirit. That aint gonna happen.
free ,I am sorry but you are wrong.We are given a new spirit ,born of GOD ,it is perfect and without sin .The work in progress is our minds We then must be taught by the HOLY SPIRIT .To take on the thinging of JESUS CHRIST .I don"t believe many understand the NEW birth .unless they have experianced it?
They will argue and even get mad .
You see ?I knopw because I died 2 times .once before the knew birth ,once after .I had a relationship with JESUS CHRIST before ,but was not born of GOD .I went into darkness .traveling very fast .Full of fear .I prayed ?JESUS CHRIST give me another chance ,I will change.I came back .The 2nd time I died .I went to NEW JERUSALEM .It is traveling toward earth to recieve HIS BODY .1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
we are as HE is now.or we will not be after death .
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
This tells of this day .
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
BECAUSE ONE IS SIN LESS ,THE OTHER SIN FULL
We can not reject these words of GOD !
many do ansd many are afended by them and anyone who preaches them .
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
THE I IS HIS SPIRIT BORN OF GOD .
om 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Is our spirit made perfect.or do we change the LORDS LIVING WORD to mean something we can accept???
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
most people can not ,nor want to know spiritual things ,they are happy leaning too there own understanding .
They will argue and even get mad .
You see ?I knopw because I died 2 times .once before the knew birth ,once after .I had a relationship with JESUS CHRIST before ,but was not born of GOD .I went into darkness .traveling very fast .Full of fear .I prayed ?JESUS CHRIST give me another chance ,I will change.I came back .The 2nd time I died .I went to NEW JERUSALEM .It is traveling toward earth to recieve HIS BODY .1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
we are as HE is now.or we will not be after death .
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
This tells of this day .
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
BECAUSE ONE IS SIN LESS ,THE OTHER SIN FULL
We can not reject these words of GOD !
many do ansd many are afended by them and anyone who preaches them .
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
THE I IS HIS SPIRIT BORN OF GOD .
om 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Is our spirit made perfect.or do we change the LORDS LIVING WORD to mean something we can accept???
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
most people can not ,nor want to know spiritual things ,they are happy leaning too there own understanding .
K
kwag_myers
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Free said:
I agree, and so do the scriptures.
If you look at what the Bible says concerning salvation, you'll see that it sometimes speaks of salvation in past tense (Luke 19:9), present tense (2 Corinthians 1:6; Ephesians 6:17), and future tense (1 Thessalonians 5:8; Hebrews 11:14). Are these contradictions, or a mystery of God revealed to His saints (Colossians 1:26)?
I believe that we are a three-part being; body, soul (mind, will, and emotions), and spirit. When we receive Jesus as our Savior, our spirits are born again (this is the first salvation). Next, through the teaching of His Word and the work of His Holy Spirit our souls are saved (this is the process that Free refers to). One day, our bodies will be saved (changed into uncorruptible).
I've tried to keep this a brief as possible, but to study this in depth, I'd recommend Dr. C. S. Jenne's book "The Power Filled Life" (I believe that it is available on Amazon.com).
My purpose here is to show that the war is in the soul. Yes, you are correct in that the Holy Spirit can not cohabitate with a demon. That is why we are told not to quench the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19). However, if we refuse to acknowledge a stronghold in our life, we open the door to the evil one. We must walk in complete submission to the Holy Spirit.
This statement is, in my opinion, very judgemental. We judge by the fruit of a man's life (Matthew 12:33) through the discernment of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14). At least two of us have stated that we personally have ministered to Christians having demons. To say that these people were not Christians is only for God to judge. You do not know the heart of these dear ones who have humbled themselves before the Lord.Spirit1st said: