Do you know the NAME of the Father, Son, and holy ghost?

[kingdavid]

First off, be careful who you accuse to be deceived and are bearing false witness. it is you who has been deceived by william branham's lying signs and wonders. All it takes is one false prophecy to declare someone a false prophet and he has many. failures. I'll name just one.

He claimed to be the contemporary Elijah and that after the coming of the Elijah, the world and it's wicked would be burned to ashes. Well, William is dead and the world and it's wicked remain and flourish. The date this 'prediction' was to take place... 1977.

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i showed in a previous thread that he was not prophecying that the end of the world would come in 1977. he said he predicted this based on how events were transpiring at the time. he emphatically stated he could be wrong about the date. he was not speaking in the name of the Lord when he gave the date. so you still have not showed one error, but thousands can be shown where he spoke in the name of the Lord and did come to pass on those tapes


16 Now, remember, "predict," especially you listening at the tape. I don't say it will be, but predict that it will end by 1977, that the church will go completely into apostasy, and she'll be ousted out of the mouth of God. And the second coming, or the rapture of Christ, might come anytime. Now, I could miss that a year; I can miss it twenty years, I could miss it a hundred years. I don't know where. But I just predict that according to a vision He showed me, and taking the time, the way it's progressing, I say it'll be sometime between '33 and '77. At--at least, this great nation is going to strike a war that's going to blow it to bits. See? Now, that's pretty close; it's awful close. And I could be wrong; I'm predicting. Everybody understand say, "amen" if you do. See? But the Lord showed me a vision of the great powerful woman, in '33, 1933, it's on paper. Of how that Roosevelt would cause...
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[kingdavid]

He couldn't make up his mind whether to adhere to modalism or oneness, both deemed to be heresies by orthodox and reformed Christianity.


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he knew very well where he stood. modalism, oneness are separate things and he was very clear.

he wasn't oneness or trinity when speaking on the Godhead. he said they are both wrong. he said when you get it somewhere in between, you almost got it.

as far as the term modalism may be wrong but the way he explained Father, Son, and Holy ghost he did not use it the way trinitarians use it to explain the Godhead. that is definitely wrong!

that is where the error lies. it should never be used to explain the godhead. he used it to explain God in 3 offices or dispensations of the same God. moses was a minister of the 1st dispensation of the Father, and paul was a minister of the 2nd dispensation of Christ/the Son, and they prophecied of a future dispensation or the 3rd dispensation of the Holy Ghost to come. in the dispensation of the fulness of times when all things shall be fulfilled which is the day and hour which we live now and that is what we saw in bro. branham's ministry was the beginning of the dispensation of the holy Ghost coming to pass as prophecied

 

[kingdavid]

He was a believer in UFOs and believed they had a part in 'end times' events.


he didn't believe in UFO'S ???? He merely explained that what man views as UFO's, he thought they were investigating angels just b4 impending judgement. this was seen in lots day when the angels went down to Sodom and gomorah just b4 it was destoyed

166 Earthquakes in divers places; said, fearful sights in the skies--pillars of fire like, floating around like flying saucers. They don't know what it is. See? They don't have any idea. Did you notice the Angels that come down investigated Sodom before Sodom was destroyed? You remember that? There was a bunch of Them come down: three of Them. One of Them stayed with Abraham. You remember that? They were Lights from heaven that came down in the investigating judgment. Ones... Look where they're all found. Around the Pentagon and things they find them. That's the world judgment, Sodom. And there's One represented, will be represented amongst the Church--would be Christ Himself a-vindicating Himself. See? Sights on the--in heavens above and signs in the earth below. Certainly. Identified... Oh, the devil's howling about this. The manifested truth of the promise of the Word in Her alone... They don't have the answer. When Jesus come, why didn't those Pharisees...? He said, "If I cast out devils by the finger of God, who do you cast them out by?" He stood alone, and His Church stands alone. She's not hooked with nothing. But He was identified by God, being the body that God dwelled in, and the Church is identified by His Body doing the same thing. She is His Body, the manifested Truth of His promised Word for the last days.
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[kingdavid]

He was a part of that "Latter Day Rain' movement that has swept up many a believer. Much of what he believed and taught could easily put him in the category of Christian cultism.[/quote]


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he was not part of the latter day rain movement. this movement sprang up as a tangent or as a grand child from his ministry. God has no grand children, just sons and daughters. fanaticism has always followed the true men of God. we can't blame him completely or disclaim everything he preached because the devil comes behind with his carnal minded believers and ministers and tries to corrupt the truth as he always does.

 

[kingdavid]

He believed in an extreme form of salvation based on works. [/quote]


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where do you get this from????? he did not believe in salvation thru works.

like i said, you bear false witness against a brother and mislead many of the least of the Lord's children

 

[kingdavid]

He claimed to be the contemporary Elijah and that after the coming of the Elijah, the world and it's wicked would be burned to ashes. [/quote]


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he felt that his ministry may be the fulfillment and those who believe him believe that his ministry is the fulfillment of malachi 4. however, he never claimed to be.

 

[kingdavid]

He is a proponent of the "serpent's seed" 'doctrine'. [/quote]


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all i can say here is AMEN!

 

[Cornelius]

I am afraid they are right. You are following a man, and you have become his preacher.

 

[kingdavid]

I am afraid they are right. You are following a man, and you have become his preacher.

paul was a man and he said follow me for i follow christ which the believers did. moses was a man which the believers followed. what does william branham being a man have to do with anything or refute anything? that is how God chose to reveal his secrets was thru prophets which were all men. that is a bogus arguement.

 

[Cornelius]

I am afraid they are right. You are following a man, and you have become his preacher.

paul was a man and he said follow me for i follow christ which the believers did. moses was a man which the believers followed. what does william branham being a man have to do with anything or refute anything? that is how God chose to reveal his secrets was thru prophets which were all men. that is a bogus arguement.

It becomes a problem when you preach Branham and not Christ. I cannot tell you not to follow him, but on Christian boards we preach the gospel and not a man. I have not studied Branham, so I know nothing about him, but I know that we cannot preach the view of a man. I have come across some of his teachings on forums though, like the serpent seed doctrine, and I know that is wrong from the Scriptures.

I am basically just giving you advice if you want to stay posting on a forum, its best not to push the doctrine of a man.You will certainly not find favor in doing that and a position of separation through anger is not a good solution either.

 

[Cornelius]

OK, I went looking at William Branham and I cannot see what the big hoo-haa is about him. He was an anointed and called man of God as far as I can see. Did he have some things where he was wrong? Well, like all of us: yes. Was he a false prophet? Not according to New Testament rules. I have not looked at everything yet, but God was certainly with him.

Serpent seed is a wrong teaching, but if we have to throw out Christians on their wrong beliefs, we have to shut down TBN as a whole.(not that I would not love that) Plus remove all the TV evangelists and not listen to a single preacher ever again. They all have things they are wrong about.

On this forum, some are preaching HUGE errors as truth............

I have to run for now, but I will read more on him.

C

 

[Cornelius]

He really had a great gift from God regarding healing and discernment , but he had little knowledge of the Word. He was not strong in the Word and fell down in doctrine.

We need to learn from these people of God , not just throw them aside.

 

[kingdavid]

OK, I went looking at William Branham and I cannot see what the big hoo-haa is about him. He was an anointed and called man of God as far as I can see. Did he have some things where he was wrong? Well, like all of us: yes. Was he a false prophet? Not according to New Testament rules. I have not looked at everything yet, but God was certainly with him.

Serpent seed is a wrong teaching, but if we have to throw out Christians on their wrong beliefs, we have to shut down TBN as a whole.(not that I would not love that) Plus remove all the TV evangelists and not listen to a single preacher ever again. They all have things they are wrong about.

On this forum, some are preaching HUGE errors as truth............

I have to run for now, but I will read more on him.

C

how is serpent seed wrong? because you were never taught it or bexause you never saw it b4? that would hardly make it wrong

 

[Cornelius]

OK, I went looking at William Branham and I cannot see what the big hoo-haa is about him. He was an anointed and called man of God as far as I can see. Did he have some things where he was wrong? Well, like all of us: yes. Was he a false prophet? Not according to New Testament rules. I have not looked at everything yet, but God was certainly with him.

Serpent seed is a wrong teaching, but if we have to throw out Christians on their wrong beliefs, we have to shut down TBN as a whole.(not that I would not love that) Plus remove all the TV evangelists and not listen to a single preacher ever again. They all have things they are wrong about.

On this forum, some are preaching HUGE errors as truth............

I have to run for now, but I will read more on him.

C

how is serpent seed wrong? because you were never taught it or bexause you never saw it b4? that would hardly make it wrong

Its a very small group of Christians that believe this, and its origins came from the early Jewish Midrashic texts. It is taught by Kabbalists .

Kabbalist Rabbis also commonly believe that both Cain and Abel are both of a different genetic background than Seth. This known among Kabbalists as "The Theory of Origins".[11] The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adam means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:

"Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial -- good wine mixed with bad."(Zohar 136)

This passage is the basis for all Kabbalist belief in a serpent seed type doctrine. Kabbalists believe that Eve was a female serpent and also without a soul, so that Abel was half pure and Cain was entirely impure. This varies with the Christian version in which Eve does have a soul and is not a serpent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed

Branham was not an educated man, but he was called of God and anointed. He followed this teaching out of lack of knowledge of the Word. You do know, that he did not read or write as a teenager, (I do not know at what stage did he start ) This is not a problem for God, but if we do not get into the Word we can easily go astray.

Remember : Anointing does not always equal doctrinal soundness. He was anointed, but unsound as a teacher. That he definitely was not.

 

[kingdavid]

OK, I went looking at William Branham and I cannot see what the big hoo-haa is about him. He was an anointed and called man of God as far as I can see. Did he have some things where he was wrong? Well, like all of us: yes. Was he a false prophet? Not according to New Testament rules. I have not looked at everything yet, but God was certainly with him.

Serpent seed is a wrong teaching, but if we have to throw out Christians on their wrong beliefs, we have to shut down TBN as a whole.(not that I would not love that) Plus remove all the TV evangelists and not listen to a single preacher ever again. They all have things they are wrong about.

On this forum, some are preaching HUGE errors as truth............

I have to run for now, but I will read more on him.

C

how is serpent seed wrong? because you were never taught it or bexause you never saw it b4? that would hardly make it wrong

Its a very small group of Christians that believe this, and its origins came from the early Jewish Midrashic texts. It is taught by Kabbalists .

Kabbalist Rabbis also commonly believe that both Cain and Abel are both of a different genetic background than Seth. This known among Kabbalists as "The Theory of Origins".[11] The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adam means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:

"Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial -- good wine mixed with bad."(Zohar 136)

This passage is the basis for all Kabbalist belief in a serpent seed type doctrine. Kabbalists believe that Eve was a female serpent and also without a soul, so that Abel was half pure and Cain was entirely impure. This varies with the Christian version in which Eve does have a soul and is not a serpent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed

Branham was not an educated man, but he was called of God and anointed. He followed this teaching out of lack of knowledge of the Word. You do know, that he did not read or write as a teenager, (I do not know at what stage did he start ) This is not a problem for God, but if we do not get into the Word we can easily go astray.

Remember : Anointing does not always equal doctrinal soundness. He was anointed, but unsound as a teacher. That he definitely was not.

it was taught by moses in genesis and shadowed and typed by John in revelations. it was hid in the context of many other prophets writings also.


we are not speaking on the kabaalists error here. the protestants had many of their doctrines wrong throughout the years but that did not mean that the entire doctrine was wrong but how many of them conveyed the doctrine was wrong. you still did not explain how the doctrine was wrong. maybe you should start a new thread in end times room so they don't delete this thread?

 

[Cornelius]

maybe you should start a new thread in end times room so they don't delete this thread?

No thanks, I have done the serpent thing before on another forum. Its a waste of valuable time, trying to talk people out of error. They do not budge.You must stay in this belief for as long as God wants you there. If He decides to release you, you will come out. Until then....................

 

[Free]

Remember : Anointing does not always equal doctrinal soundness. He was anointed, but unsound as a teacher. That he definitely was not.

Unsound doctrines means one is not teaching from God's Word. How can someone be anointed by God and not teach what God tells them to teach?

Its a waste of valuable time, trying to talk people out of error.

I take it you don't believe in the Great Commission then?

Serpent seed is a wrong teaching, but if we have to throw out Christians on their wrong beliefs, we have to shut down TBN as a whole.

Not a bad idea.

Plus remove all the TV evangelists and not listen to a single preacher ever again. They all have things they are wrong about.

It's one thing to try and make sense of what Scripture says. It is quite another to make up obvious false teachings, like Branham and the like do.

 

[mutzrein]

Remember that being charismatic does not make one anointed. And remember too that miracles are not necessarily of God.

If your foundation is wrong (as was Branham's) then nothing built on it will stand.

 

[Free]

False prophecies

“I never preached anything in my life under inspiration I had to take back, ‘cause I don’t depend on my own understanding.†(Oneness, 2/11/62, V-10, N-2, sermon page 16-87)

“ See, immediately after the coming of THIS Elijah, the earth will be cleansed by hate and the wicked burned to ashes. Of course, this did NOT happen at the time of John (the Elijah for his day.)… .†(THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE p.13).

Did this happen immediately after he died? Branham believed himself to be THIS Elijah, the earth was not cleansed nor the wicked burned.

“That this age will, end around 1977. …, I base this prediction on seven major continuous visions that came to me one Sunday morning in June, 1933. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire. ( W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE, p.29).

I still maintain this prediction after thirty years because, Jesus DID NOT say no man could know the year, month, week or day in which His coming was to be completed. So I repeat, I sincerely believe and maintain as a private student of the Word, along with divine inspiration that 1977 ought to terminate the-World systems and usher in the millenium.†(Seven Church Ages Page 322)

“ The revival is over. America had her last chance in 1957. Now the tongues, are God's sign of impending disaster, even as they were when they appeared upon the wall at Belshazzar's feast….(W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE p.29) According to revivalists today who endorse Branhams ministry we are currently experiencing a revival of unprecedented proportions. So ids Branham a false prophet according to them or are they false according to Branham.

http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm

There is tons of stuff like this on Branham if one cares to search.

On a side note, regarding the last bolded part. Recently there was one of these supposed revivals with the full endorsement of all who follow Branham and the Kansas City Prophets. It was lead by Todd Bentley. My former pastor endorsed this revival whole heartedly which lead my wife and I to leave that church, since there were some glaringly obvious errors in teaching. In the end, it came out that Todd Bentley had been having an affair during this "revival". What an absolute mockery.

 

[kingdavid]

“That this age will, end around 1977. …, I base this prediction on seven major continuous visions that came to me one Sunday morning in June, 1933. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire. ( W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE, p.29).

I still maintain this prediction after thirty years because, Jesus DID NOT say no man could know the year, month, week or day in which His coming was to be completed. So I repeat, I sincerely believe and maintain as a private student of the Word, along with divine inspiration that 1977 ought to terminate the-World systems and usher in the millenium.†(Seven Church Ages Page 322)


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and as he emphatically stated, he said he was not speaking in the name of the Lord but it was just his own prediction as a student. he said I predict...he was not prophecying.


16 Now, remember, "predict," especially you listening at the tape. I don't say it will be, but predict that it will end by 1977, that the church will go completely into apostasy, and she'll be ousted out of the mouth of God. And the second coming, or the rapture of Christ, might come anytime. Now, I could miss that a year; I can miss it twenty years, I could miss it a hundred years. I don't know where. But I just predict that according to a vision He showed me, and taking the time, the way it's progressing, I say it'll be sometime between '33 and '77. At--at least, this great nation is going to strike a war that's going to blow it to bits. See? Now, that's pretty close; it's awful close. And I could be wrong; I'm predicting. Everybody understand say, "amen" if you do. See? But the Lord showed me a vision of the great powerful woman, in '33, 1933, it's on paper. Of how that Roosevelt would cause...
LAODICEAN_CHURCH_AGE JEFF_IN 12-11-60 Evening