do you remember?

[miamited]

I remember when the current healthcare plan was being voted on in Congress and one group of legislators cried foul because they hadn't had time to read the bill. Now today it seems that they wouldn't have read it even if they'd had time.

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Is being lazy and unwilling to read laws that are being made that have real consequences to us now a requirement for such legislators?

 

[WIP]

I think this is one tactic that is used to get bills passed. The current healthcare bill is about 1,500 pages. Imagine reading 1,500 pages of legal jargon and remembering what you've read. When was the last time you read the legal agreement when installing an app on your phone or when creating an online account with a retailer? That's only a couple pages but it is mind-bending to read through it and I'm betting it is rare that anyone ever does read them.

 

[miamited]

I think this is one tactic that is used to get bills passed. The current healthcare bill is about 1,500 pages. Imagine reading 1,500 pages of legal jargon and remembering what you've read. When was the last time you read the legal agreement when installing an app on your phone or when creating an online account with a retailer? That's only a couple pages but it is mind-bending to read through it and I'm betting it is rare that anyone ever does read them.

Oh, I rarely read the fine print of agreements. But my job is not to make laws for others and work to protect others against bad laws. Legislators are paid to know what they're doing and they have aides that do most of the reading and studying of what, especially burdensome bills, can be saying.

This is likely why the current administration wanted to pass a 'big, beautiful' single bill for the budget. He knows no one is going to read most of it and, as we've now seen, things got passed into law that those very people who voted for it really didn't intend to make as laws. If all of these bills would have been single stand alone bills that were relatively short, sure, most everyone would have read it all before voting on it. But it was a 900 page bill and the administration was counting on most people not reading it. Just exactly like what happened with the healthcare bill.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Oh, I rarely read the fine print of agreements. But my job is not to make laws for others and work to protect others against bad laws. Legislators are paid to know what they're doing and they have aides that do most of the reading and studying of what, especially burdensome bills, can be saying.

This is likely why the current administration wanted to pass a 'big, beautiful' single bill for the budget. He knows no one is going to read most of it and, as we've now seen, things got passed into law that those very people who voted for it really didn't intend to make as laws. If all of these bills would have been single stand alone bills that were relatively short, sure, most everyone would have read it all before voting on it. But it was a 900 page bill and the administration was counting on most people not reading it. Just exactly like what happened with the healthcare bill.

Sad to say, Miamited, but that is the state of American politics and has been for sometime now - decades in fact. It's the way the game is played now.

 

[WIP]

Oh, I rarely read the fine print of agreements. But my job is not to make laws for others and work to protect others against bad laws. Legislators are paid to know what they're doing and they have aides that do most of the reading and studying of what, especially burdensome bills, can be saying.

This is likely why the current administration wanted to pass a 'big, beautiful' single bill for the budget. He knows no one is going to read most of it and, as we've now seen, things got passed into law that those very people who voted for it really didn't intend to make as laws. If all of these bills would have been single stand alone bills that were relatively short, sure, most everyone would have read it all before voting on it. But it was a 900 page bill and the administration was counting on most people not reading it. Just exactly like what happened with the healthcare bill.

I won't engage in a political debate so if you're planning to turn this into one, you won't see me involved. They all do it for the same reasons so it's not something unique to the bill you mentioned.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Not at all a trump fan but….

They have staffers etc who can read the info and help them decide. Thing is it’s based more on party loyalty and their own careers than the common good…

 

[miamited]

I won't engage in a political debate so if you're planning to turn this into one, you won't see me involved. They all do it for the same reasons so it's not something unique to the bill you mentioned.

Hi WIP

I would disagree on some of the points you're making. First, that this is not a newly unique issue? I know there was some talk about the healthcare bill not being fully understood and that was 12 years ago. Other than that, I don't recall our legislators, by at least a dozen of the party supporting the legislation, ever turning around after a bill that they pushed was passed and declaring, "well, I didn't know that was in there!"

So, in the interest of just understanding your position and not being political about it, can you give some recent bill passages where this phenomenon was repeated? That the party that pushed a bill through later said they didn't have any idea of some of the measures that were in the bill? Not even the healthcare bill had that kind of response from the Democratic party that was pushing for the passage of the healthcare bill. I'm just saying that yes, there are aspects of the passage of this bill that are unique. Just beginning with one big bill to cover the whole year of expenditures and covered so many, many federal departments. That's something that is unique to this particular and specific measure that the GOP recently passed.