Do you support OSAS(once saved always saved)?

[chessman]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;


Saved = 4982 sṓzō (from sōs, "safe, rescued") – properly, deliver out of danger and into safety; used principally of God rescuing believers from the penalty and power of sin – and into His provisions (safety).

So the negation would be a-sṓzō,

http://biblehub.com/greek/810.htm

810 asōtía (from 1 /A "without" and 4982 /sṓzō, "save") – properly, what can't be saved (waste); (figuratively) prodigality, spiritual wastefulness due to excessive behavior and the dire consequences it brings.

It has three occurrences:
Eph 5:18, Titus 1:6 , 1 Peter 4:4.

Let's look:

18 And do not be drunk with wine (in which is dissipation), but be filled by the Spirit,

6 If anyone is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful[a] children, not accused of dissipation or rebellious.

Footnotes:

Titus 1:6 Or “believing”
Titus 1:6 Literally “with an accusation of dissipation”

4 with respect to which they are surprised when you do not run with them into the same flood of dissipation, and so they revile you.

Hmm?

 

[JLB]

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

They received the gospel but did not believe it.

From G545; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious): - disobedience, unbelief.

Jer 17:23 And they have not hearkened nor inclined their ear, And they stiffen their neck not to hear, And not to receive instruction.

No ma'am.

They received the gospel, were baptized into Moses, in the sea and in the cloud, and did not obey and therefore did not enter in the promised land.

Or did not continue to believe and trust God, and therefore they did not enter.

Some who crossed the red sea went down alive into hell.

There are to be examples for us today.


JLB

 

[Deborah13]

No ma'am.

They received the gospel, were baptized into Moses, in the sea and in the cloud, and did not obey and therefore did not enter in the promised land.

Or did not continue to believe and trust God, and therefore they did not enter.

Some who crossed the red sea went down alive into hell.

There are to be examples for us today.


JLB

The Jeremiah reference was not to compare it to Hebrews scripture but to compare it to the meaning of the word in the Greek that showed disobedience or rebellious as being stiff necked. Nothing else.

Deu 1:34 `And Jehovah heareth the voice of your words, and is wroth, and sweareth, saying,
Deu 1:35 Not one of these men of this evil generation doth see the good land which I have sworn to give to your fathers,

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How would you say "to become unsaved" in Greek?

In English it's 'stop believing'.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So let's get right down to the nitty gritty. Can one believe that they have lost their salvation because of unrepented sin and still Believe that Jesus is their LORD and SAVIOR and know that their salvation is completely in His just hands?

They can know that for a while, I suppose. Maybe the important point here is, repentance is how you know that you still trust in the work of Christ to forgive your sins.

Repentance is NOT sinless perfection. It's a change of mind about--among other things--sin; and confessing that sin when we sin again, and wanting to not do it again.

I purpose that they can, I know you don't see this as a possibility. You would say that they have rejected Christ's salvation because they are not trusting in His blood for forgiveness.
I would say that they may very well trust in His blood for forgiveness for all their sins but that they cannot ask for something based on a lie. If one is not Truly sorry for what they have done they are NOT repentant. In my thinking, if one is Truly repentant then if there is/was any possible way to change what they did, they would.

I'm not fundamentally in disagreement with this. Some of the requirements of the faith don't get revealed to a person until after they get saved. From there they either decide to accommodate those requirements, or decide the Christian faith is too hard, or costly and they fall away, like the person of the second type of soil did in the parable of the sower. But it is my experience that these people don't really abandon the faith altogether. They change the truth to accommodate the part that is too challenging to them. That's the really bad part about that when that happens. This is what gives rise to many false doctrines in the church. They are the apostates that hang around and pollute the rest of the church with their modified beliefs. Beliefs that condemn a person, not lead them to the truth that saves.

In my case, I can't see how I would ever change or want to change what I did. So I just have to trust the Lord that if I need to repent of that action, the Lord will change my heart, seeing I am completely open to the idea of Him doing that and have prayed and talked to the Lord about that.
So far He has not put that burden on my heart. At the time, the only one that burdened me with conviction was the same pastor who's life and the lives of all his family members had been threatened, which brought about jail time for the offender.

Well, that's between you and God. Only he knows what you really know and are responsible for, and to what extent he's brought you to responsibility about whatever it is you did, or do now. But I think your story is illustrating for us how you can't in your own heart be sure of your own personal salvation under circumstances like this. Whether you really are, or are not saved is not the point. The point is, a person can't know with surety they are saved when they have things on the table that are not being dealt with because of a lack of knowledge, or just plain stubbornness.

So I believed that I had lost my salvation, not because of lack of faith in His forgiveness for all my sin.
But because my sin was unforgivable until I could repent of it.

Actually, I think there is some truth in the thinking that sin that is not confessed, once you know about it and become responsible for it, can not be forgiven until it is confessed and renounced. That doesn't mean that person can't, or won't be back the next day, or the next hour, asking for forgiveness again. But to refuse to acknowledge that something is sin and which needs to stop, if God is impressing that on a person's heart, can not be forgiven until they do acknowledge it.

This is where I think weak faith comes in. In the absence of firm conviction about something, we have no choice but to have a weak faith concerning that thing (the surety of knowing comes from conviction). Weak faith is what caves in and doesn't endure to the end, not strong faith. But the church likes to look at it as a mater of faith vs. no faith at all. Paul talks about the person having weak faith about something as having a lack of knowledge.

So now I just leave my salvation in His righteous judgement, come what may.

Honestly, I don't think that's what the Bible means by having the surety of salvation. The reality of salvation is based on some very real conditions and expected responses being fulfilled in order for us to know that what we hope for really is a sure thing for us. Just saying it is sure doesn't make it so. Knowing for sure you have salvation comes from a clear conscience, and a lifestyle of the obedience you know in your heart is expected of you.

 

[The Gospels]

that's how it works.. but there will only be a few who are saved.. according to Jesus..

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Why do you support OSAS or why do you not support it?
I support it and this is why.
Once saved always saved?"

Answer: Once a person is saved are they always saved? When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact.

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) For the most conclusive argument, Scripture says it best itself, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html#ixzz2uGeYFy2o

Yes, I support OSAS.
I have security in my God.
It's the Muslims that have no security in their god.

 

[Obadiah]

I think we've had quite enough of the fight over OSAS that we don't need to be resurrecting these ancient threads to start it all up again. Especially with posts that are in violation of the A&T guidelines.

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