do you think ADD/ADHD is real?

[Kidron]

Its an odd world we live in.
and getting weirder.
have you noticed that "health science" never cures anything,.... they only give you "relief" in the form of a "comfort coated" pill?
same with psychology.
they evaluate the cope med you need based on your anxiety level., as a cope med IS brain science.
"""ok, your issue is that you hate life, you cant deal with life, and your dad is a tyrant, so, we'll give you a cope med that will help you forget you hate life and hate your dad for as long as the pill works. And once it doesn't, you'll be hooked and begin having withdrawals for maybe 2 years, and by the time that is over, you will be cured of hating life and daddy, as you'll be so happy to not be having withdrawals that you wont even notice that anxiety any more".......and that treatment is only $1900 a month, and we take VISA.""

When is the last time a disease was cured, vs, the last time you didnt see 13 new medicines being advertised on TV each week, that take care of your "symptoms".??
Hummm.
I think we have to face the reality that money is not being made if things get resolved or cured, its only getting made if they create more pills and more treatments to get more money while you never get well, tho your symptoms FEEL better.
"You are not paying for a cure, you are paying for relief"., says the 150yr old motto of all the Drug Companies.
"Here, take these and you'll feel better, and if you dont, then come back, i'll charge you another office visit, and i'll give you something else".

Now to the threads topic.
add-adhd..
probably some kids have a slight learning disability, some kids mature faster,......while most are just bored, and have no learning skills as they can only think in terms of IPhone screen maneuvering , which does not really equate to classroom "learning" environment.
(Blame the parents).

I understand that Bill Gates (Microsoft) is slightly autistic., and he is currently the richest man in the world or in the top 2-3.
So, ........ there you go.

 

[Deborah13]

Well, I can't say how accurate my determination was at the place I was, with the understanding I had. I did make a choice though. Looking at my own mother, I can see what these mind altering drugs can do to a person. They may help stop the voices, but at what cost?

I agree that mind altering drugs are a last and hopefully temporary resort. But the fact is sometimes they are necessary to keep that person alive and functioning. Sometimes they are necessary to keep other people safe as well.
Of coarse the ultimate solution is the Lord but until that happens we can only do so much. There was a time when people where locked up in padded rooms in strait jackets and they threw the key away. If my college friend's husband hadn't had access to doctors and mind stabilizing drugs he wouldn't have been able to finish college, be a dad to his girls, and paint the amazing artwork that he does. He enriched his daughters lives. They were confident young women, something not easily accomplished by bi-racial children during the 70s and 80s, especially being raised in a 95% white community. Without their dad half of their identity would have been missing from their lives. The last time I saw the girls the oldest was attending a Christian college and the other was a senior in high school, she had just won a full scholarship to the University of California.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Personally--speaking as a "severely mentall ill" person--I think maybe 2ish% of the population needs serious meds for a long time, possibly lifelong. These are the people (me included) who need psychiatrists.

However...most mental health people go for less severe cases. Locally, there are a couple of cash-only shrinks. $300/hour buys you friendly chat and a couple prescriptions, ocassionally. They most certainly don't deal w/ severe mental illness, and they cherry-pick, so even if you have the $$$, you won't get in the door because you're too severely mentally ill. Its worse with counselors and psychologists. They follow the money, basically, and there's way too many mass-produced mental health pros who really should be doing something else.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

...thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (ending of Rev. chap. 18).

As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. (Prov. 23:7).

The battle for control of the mind continues to rage.

 

[Brother Mike]

I agree that mind altering drugs are a last and hopefully temporary resort. But the fact is sometimes they are necessary to keep that person alive and functioning. Sometimes they are necessary to keep other people safe as well.

The drugs do not change how a person thinks. For my mother, she was bright, was going to college. Until she thought she started to hear God. She started to go on fasting, which seemed OK, but a few years into it she started to do things that were not very helpful to us kids or herself.

Then, My grandparents came to our home to find the gas on and mom laying in the living room floor. I have no idea how much of that she staged. That got her the first trip to the nut doctor.

Well, she seemed fine for a bit after that, but one night she started this thing where she said I trust you lord to catch me, and fell back, busting her head. Back to the nut doctor.

Mind you, the times she seemed normal, she was bright, alert, smart. Despite hearing voices, she did a great job functioning when not following those voices.

So the issue was the voices, she would believe and act on them. Must be God of course. Remove the voices, and she is fine.

From all the mental cases I have seen, and through all the classes I had gone through because of prison, meeting some of the worse cases who did evil things, never to step out of a prison again. For instance, my cell mate a Christian decided to burn a house down and the people in it alive. Kids and mother. A Arch angel of God had been speaking to him for a few years, and convinced him the family was a seed of Satan.

Remove believing on the wrong thinking or remove the significance of the voices, and the person is fine. Medication does not do any of that but destroy the person Ability to connect information. The information needs changed, not the ability to connect to the information.

Let's get this straight. When my daughter went missing last week, something spoke to me loud and clear. I heard it. I don't hear voices, been a long time, years since I just heard a voice with nothing attached. It said, "you tell people that God has never failed anyone that believed him, that is not true, you won't see your daughter again."

Ya, well, God will perfects that which concerns me. (Psalm 138:8) I had greater information I believed more than some stupid devil I am surprised a devil would even try something like that. They do though.

 

[Deborah13]

I can only imagine how hard that was on you and your siblings, I'm sorry you were put through that. However, look at you now.

remove the significance of the voices

I think you have hit on something very significant here. If one could learn to differentiate between what is real and what it not they could live without the meds. The mathematician, John Nash, learned to do this. I think those things can only be determined on a case to case bases and not something someone should try to do on their own. John Nash was an exceptionally intelligent person, very focused, and had the a lot of support from others.

And then there is what you experienced with satan lying to you and you knew where that was coming from and could stand your ground. You could differentiate between the voice of God and that which was not.

In both types of situations standing on the Word of God is power.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

A very misleading paradigm has been imposed on the minds of the public and has been facilitated through the Western medical institution in the past three decades. This misleading mindset is leading many children to be labeled with ADHD, which stands for "attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder." This fabricated "disorder" has morphed into a pill-popping craze in the 21st century, and it is addicting more and more children to dangerous stimulant drugs. ADHD, first coined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1980 as "attention-deficit disorder," has since then skyrocketed. In 2003, 7.8 percent of children were labeled with ADHD, and by 2011, that number spiked to 11 percent.

This false paradigm is now being planted in the minds of one in every nine children. Two-thirds of the diagnoses are in boys. This is an alarming trend of misdiagnosis, especially when drugs like Adderall and Ritalin are prescribed.

Brother Mike, two days ago, I once again visited a place that I had spent a good deal of my former life trying to avoid. I went to this country's second largest prison to bear witness to the prisoners the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is always bittersweet for me, with my history of 9 arrests on my FBI Report, including robbery, promotion of detrimental drugs 1st degree, and assault. In the most recent visit, I had to wait a bit because several prisoners were in the process of meeting with the prison nurse for the purpose of receiving their meds. 'Gotta get 'em all drugged up for Sunday church.' It is not unusual, during a meeting, for these now-zombified men to manifest in various ways at the name of Jesus Christ.

I am surprised a devil would even try something like that. They do though.

Of course they would and they do. Evangelical Christianity is asleep on the issue of spiritual warfare.

If one could learn to differentiate between what is real and what it not they could live without the meds. ...[Nash] had the a lot of support from others.

...You could differentiate between the voice of God and that which was not.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).

I have new age acquaintances who brag about the number of spirit guides, familiars, they have. They have ignorantly stepped into Satan's venue and thus his authority because, being void of God's Spirit, they have no way to try (test) the spirits, nor do they believe that "testing" is even desirable or necessary, since they have been deceived into believing that they are getting what they want from these spirits. The devils promise them fame, fortune, etc. For them, it's all about 'getting what I want.'

...out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh (Mat. 12:34). Thus, the battle is for the mind.

Satan and his minions know much about our minds:

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Cor. 4:3, 4).

 

[Brother Mike]

And then there is what you experienced with satan lying to you and you knew where that was coming from and could stand your ground. You could differentiate between the voice of God and that which was not.

I understand that Deborah. Not my first rodeo. What about other people though, like your average Joe who is not saved, knows only John 3:16?
The Marketing World knows that Joe will hear something, see something on a billboard and ignore it. The average person takes only about 4 sec if any to look at a billboard for example.

Marketing companies know this, it takes looking at this billboard over 100 times to get in the conscience of a person. Does not mean they will buy the product, but if a need comes up, it's the first thing they remember. Thousands going back and forth everyday to work, looking at the same billboard, equates into lots of sales eventually. Joe on the other hand, may never give the billboard a second thought, it does not appeal to what makes sense to him, or what He needs.

Mental illness works the same way, and Satan knows it. It has to make sense eventually, and it has to be repeated enough if it does not make full sense at first.

How many here have had horrifying thoughts that we would never tell a single soul what that thought was? We cast it down, done with it. That 5yr old girl has a cute butt, if your spouse was dead, that would free you and clear up lots of bills after insurance. If Joe (Who hates billboards) was not around, I would get that promotion. What poison is undetectable I could put in his coffee? That's crazy, I am not killing Joe.

You know though, months of this reoccurring thought makes the person just do a google search on Poison. Just looking, (Which is where it starts to take hold)

Aside from God's word, I don't see a defense for this.

Brother Mike, two days ago, I once again visited a place that I had spent a good deal of my former life trying to avoid. I went to this country's second largest prison to bear witness to the prisoners the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is always bittersweet for me, with my history of 9 arrests on my FBI Report, including robbery, promotion of detrimental drugs 1st degree, and assault. In the most recent visit, I had to wait a bit because several prisoners were in the process of meeting with the prison nurse for the purpose of receiving their meds. 'Gotta get 'em all drugged up for Sunday church.' It is not unusual, during a meeting, for these now-zombified men to manifest in various ways at the name of Jesus Christ.

Glory to God, they let you in Prison with a felony? Granted, I myself get a bit uneasy being around jail cells considering the past, but if they are going to let me back out....... why not?

That is amazing though, praise God!!! ya, they do dispense those meds quickly in prison, no questions asked.
I went to our sheriff's office to see If i could get into Jail and have like a bible study. I still have to talk to the head sheriff as there are already two other groups they have to make room for. I am also told it's split into Boys side and Girls side, so I would need to drag a female with me I could trust full of faith and the Word for the female side. From what I understand so far. If I could just do males, then all good.

A bit beyond ADHD. At a young age a ability to focus is not a child's best attributes anyway. A far cry from hearing voices, though My daughter has tried to convince me that her dolls eyes move sometimes and look at her.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

Glory to God, they let you in Prison with a felony?

The prison I’m visiting currently is not in the same country I was incarcerated in, i.e. the right hand often does not know what the left hand is doing (although that is changing, as the NWO materializes...).

Granted, I myself get a bit uneasy being around jail cells considering the past, but if they are going to let me back out....... why not?

lol. Once your “usefulness” to the system has been thoroughly milked, there’s no financial incentive for Caesar to keep you in there any longer. If there’s (no further) money available to steal from you, they tend to leave you alone; it’s one of Caesar’s greatest weaknesses.

That is amazing though, praise God!!! ya, they do dispense those meds quickly in prison, no questions asked.

Why not, as they have the perfect ‘captive’ audience.

I went to our sheriff's office to see If i could get into Jail and have like a bible study. I still have to talk to the head sheriff as there are already two other groups they have to make room for. I am also told it's split into Boys side and Girls side, so I would need to drag a female with me I could trust full of faith and the Word for the female side. From what I understand so far. If I could just do males, then all good.

Yep, same here.

A bit beyond ADHD. At a young age a ability to focus is not a child's best attributes anyway. A far cry from hearing voices, though My daughter has tried to convince me that her dolls eyes move sometimes and look at her.

The word of God warns us to “set no wicked thing before our eyes” (Psa. 101:3), and to “take heed what ye hear” (mark 4:24; Luke 8:18). So there are things we are not to look at, and things we are not to listen to. But, of course, that angers the majority who would believe that it’s their “right” to view and listen to whatever they please. All this self-will, as opposed to God’s will. It’s no surprise that the path to destruction is broad.

 

[Brother Mike]

The word of God warns us to “set no wicked thing before our eyes” (Psa. 101:3), and to “take heed what ye hear” (mark 4:24; Luke 8:18). So there are things we are not to look at, and things we are not to listen to. But, of course, that angers the majority who would believe that it’s their “right” to view and listen to whatever they please. All this self-will, as opposed to God’s will. It’s no surprise that the path to destruction is broad.

Guard your heart with all diligence, for out of it are the issue of life.

I use to watch forensic science shows. Great information, interesting. I did not even know it, but I started to call wife at the store and ask when she would be home, have an excuse to call again to talk about milk we needed. If she was not home when I thought she needed to be, I found myself looking out the window for her to pull up.

Soon she noticed that I was starting to get sort of controlling. Well, fear had gotten in, and it was so sneaky, and quite. Lot's of folks come up missing on those Forensic shows, wives that never come home.

Despite my Word knowledge, I thought I was being reasonable and keeping safe, but it was really motivated by fear. Fear from constantly pouring in a show that seemed informative and clean.

Well, cut that out once I saw it and the Lord said, No more forensic shows.

That is where Mental illness could start, Months of something you should not be looking at, though it looks harmless.

 

[sojourner4Christ]

Fear from constantly pouring in a show that seemed informative and clean.

Well, cut that out once I saw it and the Lord said, No more forensic shows.

That is where Mental illness could start, Months of something you should not be looking at, though it looks harmless.

Fear is a demonic spirit -- certainly not one that the Lord has given his people.

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (1 Tim. 1:7). So how does that spirit of fear obtain Lawful authority to operate in one's life? Enter countless "shows" that are designed as welcome mats for demonic forces.

Fear is the master in Caesar's camp, no Godly discernment, so the worldly label of "mental illness" (or, in the OP's scenario, ADD/ADHD) is appropriated...

 

[Brother Mike]

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (1 Tim. 1:7). So how does that spirit of fear obtain Lawful authority to operate in one's life? Enter countless "shows" that are designed as welcome mats for demonic forces.

Well, that's the problem. What might effect me, may have no effect on you.

Watching Disney Jr. with my Daughter at the Hotel. Some show with Charlie in it. Was funny at times, no cursing, nudity, drinking. What I did notice is that all the parents were not as smart as the kids. Another show was the same way, parents are obstacles to having fun and dumb as rocks. That is sowing rebellion.

How's that translate into a controlled environment like a school and having to do school work?

Watched Donald Duck where Huey, Dewey and Louie broke into Santa's Workshop, destroyed property, falsified the Bad and Good list. Through trouble they caused, they ended up saving Christmas and were rewarded for it. What message is that sending?

What about parents that lie to their Children. Leaving a tooth under a pillow because the tooth fairy pays dollars for them. (Quarters when I was young) It's lying to your kids............. My grandma a Christian Women had me convinced that Santa was going to drop the booty load if I get to bed. He even ate the milk and cookies I left out. I was lied to. Not mad about it, but what message did that give me?

Anyway.

 

[gerbilwoman]

Yes, I do think ADHD and ADD are real. I do believe medicine is sometimes given too quickly, I think other things should be tried first. But its great there is meds for those who need them. People abuse all kinds of drugs, it doesn't mean the illnesses they are meant to treat aren't real.

 

[WIP]

Unless I missed something I don't think anyone was suggesting that these conditions were not real.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno...I was reading about it, and it seems that the amphetamines weren't used much on kids back in the day. To be fair, psych meds in general weren't as popular back in the 40s-80s or so as they are now. Some kids were given labels of "hyperkinesis" or "minimal brain dysfunction" (that's my personal fave) and put on some sort of stimulant, but the ADD/ADHD label has been growing in popularity, making lots of $$$ for shrinks and drug companies.

To me, part of what's interesting is how the ADD/ADHD diagnosis is yet another example of "blaming the brain" for problems that may often not have a neurological basis and may instead be rooted in the environment and society as a whole. I mean, I'm sure stimulants help some people, but think about it...ADD/ADHD treatments have become more common over the past decade or so, but there's been no crazy improvement in overall academic performance, crime rates, etc. Same with other psych meds. I'm not saying psych meds are bad in and of themselves, just that they don't seem to be doing society a whole lot of good, despite widespread use.

 

[Army Wife]

I believe its real. Why wouldn't it be?

 

[Army Wife]

Yes, I do think ADHD and ADD are real. I do believe medicine is sometimes given too quickly, I think other things should be tried first. But its great there is meds for those who need them. People abuse all kinds of drugs, it doesn't mean the illnesses they are meant to treat aren't real.

I agree with this.