Do you think everyone is a child of God?

[Gary]

Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:3 NKJV

I have received the blessing of revelation knowledge from the Holy Spirit.

So the Holy Spirit informed you that everyone is saved? Enemies of God are granted eternal life simply because they believe?

I'm not buying it.

The only requirement to be saved is: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [a]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 NASB

This is false.
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[iLOVE]

So the Holy Spirit informed you that everyone is saved? Enemies of God are granted eternal life simply because they believe?

I'm not buying it.





This is false.
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The number 1 hit song in heaven is "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain." The reason why because they all know they do not deserve this free gift they received. Many Christians think like you and think it's about their performance. Mixing law and grace. When a Christian finally understands that it's not about them and remove themselves from the equation and understand that is about "Worthy of the Lamb", then God will start opening up things in the believers life as stated in Revelation 5 NKJV (please, please read). God knows you don't deserve it. If God thought like you, He said only the "The Big Three" - Noah, Daniel and Job will be saved. Ezekiel 14:14 NASB

Say this prayer. Lord Jesus, I believe in the sacrifice that you paid on the Cross when you shed your blood. And today I surrender my life to you. I give you everything. And I cry "WORTHY IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN." I give Him glory, honor, and praise. Today take control of my life, my family, every area of my life. I speak the Blood of Jesus and His blessings over my life. And His forgiveness and His grace. In Jesus' name Amen.

If you and everyone who reads this start saying "WORTHY IS THE LAMB", He will start opening things that was shut.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No one can enter unless they have put away all hypocris

This post makes me think of the severity of God. There are many scriptures that do this. What is the point of intercession, if those whom we pray for to be saved, have no hope of ever being saved? I therefore have to believe God's mercy can be attained by all men, either in this life or afterwards. Of course ultimately I must trust, that God sees all and knows better than I.

14 "Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them; for I will not listen when they call to Me because of their disaster. (Jeremiah 11:14 NASB)

14 "I will not show pity nor be sorry nor have compassion so as not to destroy them." (Jeremiah 13:14 NASB)

"11 So the LORD said to me, "Do not pray for the welfare of this people. 12 "When they fast, I am not going to listen to their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I am not going to accept them. Rather I am going to make an end of them by the sword, famine and pestilence."" (Jeremiah 14:11-12 NASB)

"1 Then the LORD said to me, "Even though Moses and Samuel were to stand before Me, My heart would not be with this people; send them away from My presence and let them go! " (Jeremiah 15:1 NASB)

"6 "You who have forsaken Me," declares the LORD, "You keep going backward. So I will stretch out My hand against you and destroy you; I am tired of relenting! 7 "I will winnow them with a winnowing fork At the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy My people; They did not repent of their ways." (Jeremiah 15:6-7 NASB)

Yes, God sees all and knows better than you or I. Some really come to the place of being beyond hope and God gives them over. Long suffering does not mean forever.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Christian believers who mix grace and law will live outside the gate in the nations, and all unbelievers in hell.

Jesus said the place outside is the place of weeping and gnashing. And as I showed, he says that's the fire of the furnace--the same place where unbelievers go. This is not a place for saved people, but for the punishment of the damned. These are not Christians who have simply forfeited their reward but are still saved. They are damned along with unbelievers to the fires of eternal torment.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Ilove,
the scriptures from the mouth of God have no part with what you're teaching here and it is Universalism and Universalism is heresy. If believing was the only requirement for being saved Satan would be saved, he knew Jesus before we were. And if what you believe without any scriptural foundation were true why would God ever teach us to judge the Saved from the Lost by judging their fruits? I pray to see you turn from this heresy before it keeps you out of Heaven.

 

[reba]

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[iLOVE]

Ilove,
the scriptures from the mouth of God have no part with what you're teaching here and it is Universalism and Universalism is heresy. If believing was the only requirement for being saved Satan would be saved, he knew Jesus before we were. And if what you believe without any scriptural foundation were true why would God ever teach us to judge the Saved from the Lost by judging their fruits? I pray to see you turn from this heresy before it keeps you out of Heaven.

The scriptures says, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 NASB
Please review Mark 4 how Satan comes to steal the word immediately from your heart.

 

[iLOVE]

Jesus said the place outside is the place of weeping and gnashing. And as I showed, he says that's the fire of the furnace--the same place where unbelievers go. This is not a place for saved people, but for the punishment of the damned. These are not Christians who have simply forfeited their reward but are still saved. They are damned along with unbelievers to the fires of eternal torment.

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed Isaiah 65:20 ESV

Are these Christians inside or outside the gate?

The Glory of the New Jerusalem
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. Revelation 21:22-27 NKJV

 

[jasonc]

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed Isaiah 65:20 ESV

Are these Christians inside or outside the gate?

go learn some of the basics on end times. you are confusing the often quoted verses for the millennium with the final state of the earth after the millennium.
1) believing and the evidence of that changed nature must be in order for one to be saved. ie I pray and I don't do the same sins no more. ie I stole.i pay back those whom I took it from and I get a job.therefore im not a theif no more.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The scriptures says, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 NASB
Please review Mark 4 how Satan comes to steal the word immediately from your heart.

Ilove, sorry but I have always taught, from my first year of salvation, that the Bible, from "In the beginning..."through the very last "Amen" of The Revelation, chap. 22, is of one context. What you are doing here is not led by the Holy Spirit and rather than comment on my reply to you about Satan and the Demons, you went rude and tried to direct the conversation as it suited the Devil. Your reference to one verse of the Roman Road to Salvation is just that, one verse, jerked out of the context to be misapplied.

In this case and in every case the content of all 66 books of the Bible must shine their light on this and every other scripture in the Bible. I have given you the clear and true teaching of all scripture because I try to obey the command from God, not to use the Bible in settling disputes, and that is my personal approach to using scripture but you are ignoring that I have offered words of wisdom in the love of God residing in me. Reba, bless her heart, has given you one of many references found in the Word of God and in this reply you have ignored her offering.

If what you say is true, why ever live a Holy Life? I could still be out there in the Juke Joints living like Hell, chasing 18 year old blond women and debasing my marriage with naught to worry about. You see, even the common sense of man rebukes you, personal teaching. Please, repent and abstain from even thinking such a thing. Jesus taught us that the majority will enter into the wide gate (into Hell) and few will enter into the straight path at the narrow gate.

 

[th1b.taylor]

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed Isaiah 65:20 ESV

Are these Christians inside or outside the gate?

The Glory of the New Jerusalem
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. Revelation 21:22-27 NKJV

Youngster, did you actually read the sentence you bolded? even those telling little white lies will not enter into the gate.

 

[th1b.taylor]

go learn some of the basics on end times. you are confusing the often quoted verses for the millennium with the final state of the earth after the millennium.
1) believing and the evidence of that changed nature must be in order for one to be saved. ie I pray and I don't do the same sins no more. ie I stole.i pay back those whom I took it from and I get a job.therefore im not a theif no more.

Amen and again I say AMEN!

 

[BigSodaExposer]

What do you think an unbeliever is called?

A worldling

 

[BigSodaExposer]

Only born again believers in Jesus Christ will be saved and go to heaven.The rest will go to hell.That is what the Bible teaches.

Where do the Eunuchs go? Born Eunuch from the womb...your autistics, schizophrenics, etc. Anyone born with a birth defect. A defect that leads them to be ignorant of Jesus Christ and of the existence of sin. I agree with you that the bible says you must be saved and born again to go to heaven. But I'm thinking if anyone is not saved = works based judgement.

 

[reba]

Who is not born with a birth defect of some sort? We are blessed our God is one of Grace.... He looks at the heart

 

[BigSodaExposer]

Who is not born with a birth defect of some sort? We are blessed our God is one of Grace.... He looks at the heart

We all inherited Adam's fallen nature true enough. We are flesh, none are perfect but God. But there is a big difference between being born an autistic with mental disabilities, and just not having straight hair for example. They are Eunuchs born from the womb. They are the one cause Jesus listed for a man to not leave his mother and father and cling to his wife. Jesus listed 3 types of Eunuchs. 1.Born from the womb 2.those made Eunuch by man 3. Those who make themselves Eunuch for the sake of the faith. Paul would be the third option, as he was celibate, and said its better to be celibate like he was for the sake of the faith.

 

[th1b.taylor]

We all inherited Adam's fallen nature true enough. We are flesh, none are perfect but God. But there is a big difference between being born an autistic with mental disabilities, and just not having straight hair for example. They are Eunuchs born from the womb. They are the one cause Jesus listed for a man to not leave his mother and father and cling to his wife. Jesus listed 3 types of Eunuchs. 1.Born from the womb 2.those made Eunuch by man 3. Those who make themselves Eunuch for the sake of the faith. Paul would be the third option, as he was celibate, and said its better to be celibate like he was for the sake of the faith.

I fail to see why Eunuchs are injected into this conversation, that has naught to do with faith and nothing to do with the title question. Those born with any form of mental retardation will never reach the age of responsibility because they were made, of God, to be a blessing to us and therefore Autism, depending on the particular vent it takes is, likewise, in the hands of god and is not our concern. Salvation is a matter of the heart and if a man or a woman refuses the command to judge the fruits of the tree then we will have no idea, regardless the state or condition of the mind of any human, the condition of their heart.

Please, Ilove is in a serious and possibly a salvation threatened position and if you hijack this thread it will be extremely difficult to help.

 

[Deborah13]

Ilove,
the scriptures from the mouth of God have no part with what you're teaching here and it is Universalism and Universalism is heresy. If believing was the only requirement for being saved Satan would be saved, he knew Jesus before we were. And if what you believe without any scriptural foundation were true why would God ever teach us to judge the Saved from the Lost by judging their fruits? I pray to see you turn from this heresy before it keeps you out of Heaven.

Hey Bill,

I don't know for sure, because I don't see iLOVE has addressed this statement about Universalism, but that's not what I'm hearing it is something different. If it is what I heard about a year ago now, it's not that everyone will be saved.
The teaching I heard says that if anyone has asked Jesus to be their Savior they will be saved.BUT if they have committed any sin listed in the sins, that even though they are saved they will not be allowed in the city. They will be kept outside the city. It says that those who have never accepted the Savior will go to hell. It also says that the people outside the city will be looking into hell and see the tormented and bodies being eaten by worms.
I first heard this from a woman I have known for 30 years and she was saved in 1976, I have seen her fruit she is a Christian. I have not been able to track down the "human" source of this teaching.
When I told her I did not believe that it was Biblical she got very upset. When I asked her where she had heard it she avoided telling me, so I assume she heard it from a preacher that she knows I don't approve of.
I'm just posting this to you so you can be aware that these teachings are out there circulating among believers.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I fail to see why Eunuchs are injected into this conversation, that has naught to do with faith and nothing to do with the title question. Those born with any form of mental retardation will never reach the age of responsibility because they were made, of God, to be a blessing to us and therefore Autism, depending on the particular vent it takes is, likewise, in the hands of god and is not our concern. Salvation is a matter of the heart and if a man or a woman refuses the command to judge the fruits of the tree then we will have no idea, regardless the state or condition of the mind of any human, the condition of their heart.

Please, Ilove is in a serious and possibly a salvation threatened position and if you hijack this thread it will be extremely difficult to help.

No sir, I'm not trying to hijack the thread. What you wrote does add to this thread in my opinion. I'm learning. If you are interested I just made a thread about Eunuchs. I would like to hear your thoughts on it as well.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hey Bill,

I don't know for sure, because I don't see iLOVE has addressed this statement about Universalism, but that's not what I'm hearing it is something different. If it is what I heard about a year ago now, it's not that everyone will be saved.
The teaching I heard says that if anyone has asked Jesus to be their Savior they will be saved.BUT if they have committed any sin listed in the sins, that even though they are saved they will not be allowed in the city. They will be kept outside the city. It says that those who have never accepted the Savior will go to hell. It also says that the people outside the city will be looking into hell and see the tormented and bodies being eaten by worms.
I first heard this from a woman I have known for 30 years and she was saved in 1976, I have seen her fruit she is a Christian. I have not been able to track down the "human" source of this teaching.
When I told her I did not believe that it was Biblical she got very upset. When I asked her where she had heard it she avoided telling me, so I assume she heard it from a preacher that she knows I don't approve of.
I'm just posting this to you so you can be aware that these teachings are out there circulating among believers.

Since Ilove has not articulated the explanation you have just offered you can be right here and I can be wrong, Ilove needs to explain in either case but both of these positions are not supported by scripture. There is a gentleman, one I pray is saved, that belongs in my class for the Seniors but refuses to attend my class because I and our senior Deacon will not allow him to take control, make everyone shut up anfd let him talk and show a set of Heretical DVDs in my class.

His stated position is one of Universalism and when taught by him sounds very much like what I've read in this string posted by Ilove. All of these heretical positions are arrived at by extracting verses out of the context of the Bible and that practice is what is being practised here. The best example of this is used billions of times every day and is rooted in Matthew 7. The first verse here is extracted, as if it were the root verse and used to close the mouths of those seeking to do the will of God by rebuking sin. When the first five verses, the first paragraph, is read the meaning, clearly, begins to appear and if the chapter is read in it's context, it becomes cllear that weare to judge others as we want to be judged... righteously.

I do pray Ilove will open her heart to the leading of the Holy Spirit but at this time she is quenching the Spirit and is being led by a spirit... not of God.