Does God LOVE everybody

[brightfame52]

jonathanbrickman0000

I'll suggest, that whatever food anyone has available, whatever drink anyone has available, whatever clothes anyone wears, God gives, which He gives out of His love.

Thats just your suggestion, God giving people natural blessings isnt an indication that He loves you, thats not scriptural at all.

 

[atpollard]

jonathanbrickman0000

Thats just your suggestion, God giving people natural blessings isnt an indication that He loves you, thats not scriptural at all.

We both know that I am a Particular Baptist (making me a 5-pointer in the TULIP), but I think you are incorrect on this subtle point here.

Verses like ...

Matthew 5:43-48 [NKJV]

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more [than others]? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."​

... mean exactly that God giving blessings IS AN INDICATION of His love.
[It is just not the same "love" as laying down His life to redeem His children.]

EROS
PHILOS
AGAPE

"Love" is a complicated thing (and that is just GREEK, imagine GOD's love!)

 

[brightfame52]

We both know that I am a Particular Baptist (making me a 5-pointer in the TULIP), but I think you are incorrect on this subtle point here.

Verses like ...

Matthew 5:43-48 [NKJV]

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more [than others]? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."​

... mean exactly that God giving blessings IS AN INDICATION of His love.
[It is just not the same "love" as laying down His life to redeem His children.]

EROS
PHILOS
AGAPE

"Love" is a complicated thing (and that is just GREEK, imagine GOD's love!)

Same thing, natural blessings are no indication God loves you. God hated Esau but yet gave him temporal blessings

 

[brightfame52]

Loved and Chosen !

We know that God did not and does not Love all men without exception for the simple fact, all men without exception are not His Elect or Chosen People. For Election is the fruit of God's Love Deut 7:6-7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Again, those Loved or Believed by God are chosen to Salvation 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Deut 14:2

2 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himselflf, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Of course this is manifested in the Church Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Yes those who are Beloved of God 2 Thess 2:13 are the same as here John 3:16, and as such they were from the beginning chosen to Salvation; For no one can be Loved by God and not be of His Chosen Deut 7:6-7 and Chosen to Salvation through Jesus Christ, and we should know that all mankind without exception are not His Chosen, because the Chosen automatically indicates the rejection of others, the rest that are not chosen, not Loved, expressed in the Words, Jacob have I Loved, esau have I hated Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 10

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

jonathanbrickman0000



Thats just your suggestion, God giving people natural blessings isnt an indication that He loves you, thats not scriptural at all.

Ah, we have the the word "natural" being added. As if there were "natural" blessings and "non-natural", "supernatural", or some other sort of blessings. As if this world were a wind-up toy called "natural". No. All blessings to all, come from God, or do not come. All glory, is to be given to God. The only one who is good, is God alone.

 

[JLB]

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

Yes only those who hear and believe the truth and are sanctified will be saved.

Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: Hebrews 12:14


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel will be saved.


That’s a far cry from your belief that God “sovereignly” saves people before the hear the Gospel.

 

[Whatever]

That’s a far cry from your belief that God “sovereignly” saves people before the hear the Gospel.

That's not what we teach. We teach that God sovereingly chooses people (sinners)
It is plain and simply.

because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God chose Joe Blow for salvation.
Joe Blow was called through the gospel FOR obtaining salvation.
How?
Through sanctification by the Spirit first
Then = Belief in the truth
Just imagine Joe Blow as being part of the Gentiles below.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

first = Appointed to eternal life
second = Sanctification by the Spirit
third = Belief - faith
forth = justification/salvation

 

[JLB]

That's not what we teach. We teach that God sovereingly chooses people (sinners)
It is plain and simply.

because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, salvation, that is the salvation of our souls, (1 Peter 1:9) is contingent upon sanctification through the Spirit, which begins with believing the truth: the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

first = Appointed to eternal life
second = Sanctification by the Spirit
third = Belief - faith
forth = justification/salvation

Yes, salvation is a process and begins with hearing and believing the Gospel, and continues to the end of our life and is realized if we continue in faith steadfast to the end, which means the enduring to the end, and not turning away from Christ in the face of persecution.

Paul first went to the Jews, and when the Jews rejected the message, Paul turned his attention to the Gentiles who were "ordained" to hear the Gospel and choose to believe or not.

The Holy Spirit knew who was ready to receive the message of salvation which is why Paul was sent there.

No one gets saved before they hear and believe the Gospel.

After they hear and believe, they must learn the way of sanctification, and walking in the Spirit.

 

[Whatever]

which begins with believing the truth: the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But that can't happen if you believe Paul.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

What do you think Paul means by "the natural man" other than a man as he is my nature?

1 Corinthians 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

Who do you think the "those who are spiritual" are? Hippies? Indian shamans?

Ephesians 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

jonathanbrickman0000



Thats just your suggestion, God giving people natural blessings isnt an indication that He loves you, thats not scriptural at all.

It is when it means what Jesus meant when he said, "For God so loved the world," for his universal love sends many gifts to his creatures, especially humans, but he has a special love for his own.

 

[brightfame52]

Ah, we have the the word "natural" being added. As if there were "natural" blessings and "non-natural", "supernatural", or some other sort of blessings. As if this world were a wind-up toy called "natural". No. All blessings to all, come from God, or do not come. All glory, is to be given to God. The only one who is good, is God alone.

Natural, earthly, all the same, all the earthly blessings God gives the wicked is just fattening them up for hell

 

[brightfame52]

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

Yes only those who hear and believe the truth and are sanctified will be saved.

Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: Hebrews 12:14


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel will be saved.


That’s a far cry from your belief that God “sovereignly” saves people before the hear the Gospel.

Those God loved will be given sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Thats the fruit of His Love sir

 

[brightfame52]

It is when it means what Jesus meant when he said, "For God so loved the world," for his universal love sends many gifts to his creatures, especially humans, but he has a special love for his own.

The earthly blessings of the non elect just increase their guilt for hell, God never loved nobody He is going to consign to hell friend. Those He Loved He sent Jesus to sae them from hell.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Natural, earthly, all the same, all the earthly blessings God gives the wicked is just fattening them up for hell

You will undoubtably cry "Biblical! Biblical!", but I find this post immensely disturbing.

Why would He fatten them up for Hell? He wishes them to be tormented even more?

 

[brightfame52]

We know that God does not Love all mankind because those He Loved in Christ Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Those He so Loved in Christ Jesus , He quickens them or Regenerates them Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us[Jn 3:16],

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

They also experience His Mercy, For God's Love and Mercy go together, hand and hand Rom 9:13-15. Now here we see that those who are the objects of His Great Love & Mercy are made Alive, that's when they are subjectively saved.

Now the same Truth is stated here Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

According to His Mercy He saved us, or made us alive, when we were in fact dead in sin. Now this was foreshadowed here in the OT Ezk 16:6,8-9 and please notice what God says in Vs 8

8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

" behold, thy time was the time of love;" meaning it was time for God to apply His Love to the Hopeless situation Like to Lazarus, whom He Loved. In Eph 2:5 He by Love applied makes us Alive, Here in Ezekiel 16 He says Live

6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

This is the same as Eph 2:5-6 ! Folks, if people are Loved by God, He raises them up from the dead by giving them Life through Christ; For He raises them up from the dead that was caused by their sins, for it is written Rom 6:23, however if our sins have been paid for, then in Justice and Love He makes us Alive Again Lk 15:24

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Now , does God make all men without exception Alive ? No He does not, so He does not Love all men without exception !

 

[brightfame52]

You will undoubtably cry "Biblical! Biblical!", but I find this post immensely disturbing.

Why would He fatten them up for Hell? He wishes them to be tormented even more?

Why? Because He wants to, why not ? He can do what He wants to do with His pots, and nobody cares about you being angry/disturbed about Gods ways, you better hope He isnt angry with you friend, like He is with these Ps 7:11

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

 

[Hidden In Him]

you better hope He isnt angry with you

He's not. And watch who you are pointing the finger at. Portraying Him as a God who is "just fattening people up for Hell" is a DETESTABLE statement, and constitutes spitting in His face.