Does God LOVE everybody

[brightfame52]

All I have to do is refer to the words of Jesus Christ, which are the truth.

• For God so loved the world

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17


God sent His Son into the world that the unsaved people of the world might be saved.

• For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

JLB

Again, you may be telling them a lie since God may see them as an worker of iniquity whom He hates Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

 

[JLB]

Again, you may be telling them a lie since God may see them as an worker of iniquity whom He hates Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

I'm telling them what Jesus said, if you believe that is a lie then I will just have to let you believe what you believe.


I believe Jesus words are the truth.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2



What part of the world do you believe is excluded from God's love and His plan of salvation?

 

[atpollard]

You hear this a lot, but everybody really defines what they mean by love.

Everyone except Esau. [Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13]

 

[JLB]

Everyone except Esau. [Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13]

Do you hate your family?

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

Does Jesus mean for us to "literally" hate our family or does hate here refer to preferring Jesus over our family?

We know that those who literally hate, do not have eternal life.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

43 “You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48

• Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

God desires for us to be like Him who loves everyone, even our enemies.

 

[Whatever]

I'm telling them what Jesus said, if you believe that is a lie

It is not what the actual words say, but your interpretation of the words we argue with.

For God so loved the world

You keep repeating this as if it is saying "For God so loved every human being that has ever lived or ever will live."
But Jesus own words contradict your interpretation:

John 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

All John means here is that Jesus is the only propitiation for anybody in the world to be saved.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold
John 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;

These "other sheep" who will believe through their (apostles) writings are the multitude of people from every tongue, tribe, and nation throughout the world and throughout thousands of years.

What part of the world do you believe is excluded from God's love and His plan of salvation?

Easy! Those who do not believe. You concentrate on one word "world" you miss the most important word "believe."

Christian Standard Bible
John 3:14 “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16 For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

God sent His Son so that (for this purpose) every person who believes shall be saved.
This excludes every person God foreknew would not believe.

I know, just come back and say "God so loved the world."

 

[atpollard]

Do you hate your family?

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

Does Jesus mean for us to "literally" hate our family or does hate here refer to preferring Jesus over our family?

We know that those who literally hate, do not have eternal life.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

43 “You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48

• Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

God desires for us to be like Him who loves everyone, even our enemies.

If I read the verses in Luke 14 surrounding verse 26, the context becomes clear.
If I read the verses in Malachi 1 surrounding verse 3, the context becomes clear.

Have you read the rest of Malachi 1 to see how God "really loves" Esau?
If you have a correction to Scripture, you will need to take that up with the author. Don't tell me, tell Malachi and Paul they got it wrong (I just pointed to their statements ... two witnesses in agreement establishing a fact).

 

[brightfame52]

I'm telling them what Jesus said, if you believe that is a lie then I will just have to let you believe what you believe.


I believe Jesus words are the truth.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2



What part of the world do you believe is excluded from God's love and His plan of salvation?

Understand, if you tell an individual that God loved them and Christ died for them, and they be a person whom God hates Ps 5:5 you become a liar friend, its no question about it.

 

[atpollard]

"From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty." - Revelation 19:15 [ESV]

"And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh." - Revelation 19:21 [ESV]

(... a rather graphic word-picture of the "love of God for all men without exception".)

 

[JLB]

It is not what the actual words say, but your interpretation of the words we argue with.

I believe you can read and understand.

You keep repeating this as if it is saying "For God so loved every human being that has ever lived or ever will live."

I'm saying God loves the unsaved people of the world.

• For God so loved the world

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

If you don't believe God loves the world, then please share what you understand these words to mean?

• For God so loved the world

 

[JLB]

If I read the verses in Luke 14 surrounding verse 26, the context becomes clear.
If I read the verses in Malachi 1 surrounding verse 3, the context becomes clear.

Have you read the rest of Malachi 1 to see how God "really loves" Esau?
If you have a correction to Scripture, you will need to take that up with the author. Don't tell me, tell Malachi and Paul they got it wrong (I just pointed to their statements ... two witnesses in agreement establishing a fact).

Please share the actual scripture you are referring to and make your point from the words of that scripture.

Luke 14 tells us nothing.
Malachi 1 tells us nothing.

Again, do you hate your family?

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

Does Jesus want you to hate your family?

I believe the word hate in the Hebrew culture means here in context, to love less, or to value your relationship for Jesus above your family so if they try to influence you to turn away from Christ back to Judaism, you will remain faithful to Jesus.

The influence of the Hebrew family on the children is intense.



JLB

 

[Whatever]

If you don't believe God loves the world, then please share what you understand these words to mean?

I've probably done this a dozen times. I am wondering if you are not a human but a AI robot.

 

[atpollard]

Please share the actual scripture you are referring to and make your point from the words of that scripture.

Luke 14 tells us nothing.
Malachi 1 tells us nothing.

Malachi 1:2-5 [ESV]

2 "I have loved you," says the LORD. But you say, "How have you loved us?" "Is not Esau Jacob's brother?" declares the LORD. "Yet I have loved Jacob 3 but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert." ​

4 If Edom says, "We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins," the LORD of hosts says, "They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called 'the wicked country,' and 'the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.'" 5 Your own eyes shall see this, and you shall say, "Great is the LORD beyond the border of Israel!"​

Does God LOVE Esau?

• Does God show his love by stating "Esau I have hated"
• Does God show his love by "laying waste his hill country"?
• Does God show his love by "leaving his heritage to jackals of the desert"?
• When they rebuild the ruins, is it loving of God to "tear it down"?
• Does their reputation as "the wicked country" highlight God's great love for them?
• When God calls them "the people with whom the LORD is angry forever." was that really just a "pet name", a Divine "term of endearment"?

Why is it that YOU read Malachi 1 and could see none of this?
How can I really trust you to be MY teacher about anything?
I did make my point ...

If I read the verses in Malachi 1 surrounding verse 3, the context becomes clear.

Have you read the rest of Malachi 1 to see how God "really loves" Esau?
If you have a correction to Scripture, you will need to take that up with the author. Don't tell me, tell Malachi and Paul they got it wrong (I just pointed to their statements ... two witnesses in agreement establishing a fact).

You chose to ignore it.

Again, do you hate your family?

That depends on how one defines "family" and "hate" ... I am a survivor of things that would get parents arrested today, so I have some less than "loving" memories. However, we both know (even if YOU will never admit) that the context of God's hate in Malachi 1 and Jesus' statement in Luke 14 are nothing alike. Even the word "hate" is not the same since one is Greek and the other is Hebrew.

 

[Whatever]

When God calls them "the people with whom the LORD is angry forever."

I remember reading that in the Old Testament "forever" basically meant "age long." As long as the age lasts.
Hebrews tells us that the Old Covenant passed away. Otherwise we would still have Aaronic priests, a lot of other things that were "forever."

Now with the New Covenant those people He was angry with forever can find salvation through believing.

 

[electedbyHim]

I've probably done this a dozen times. I am wondering if you are not a human but a AI robot.

Thats hilarious.

 

[electedbyHim]

Malachi 1:2-5 [ESV]

2 "I have loved you," says the LORD. But you say, "How have you loved us?" "Is not Esau Jacob's brother?" declares the LORD. "Yet I have loved Jacob 3 but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert." ​

4 If Edom says, "We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins," the LORD of hosts says, "They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called 'the wicked country,' and 'the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.'" 5 Your own eyes shall see this, and you shall say, "Great is the LORD beyond the border of Israel!"​

Does God LOVE Esau?

• Does God show his love by stating "Esau I have hated"
• Does God show his love by "laying waste his hill country"?
• Does God show his love by "leaving his heritage to jackals of the desert"?
• When they rebuild the ruins, is it loving of God to "tear it down"?
• Does their reputation as "the wicked country" highlight God's great love for them?
• When God calls them "the people with whom the LORD is angry forever." was that really just a "pet name", a Divine "term of endearment"?

Why is it that YOU read Malachi 1 and could see none of this?
How can I really trust you to be MY teacher about anything?
I did make my point ...

You chose to ignore it.


That depends on how one defines "family" and "hate" ... I am a survivor of things that would get parents arrested today, so I have some less than "loving" memories. However, we both know (even if YOU will never admit) that the context of God's hate in Malachi 1 and Jesus' statement in Luke 14 are nothing alike. Even the word "hate" is not the same since one is Greek and the other is Hebrew.

Your statement caught my eye.

I am a survivor of things that would get parents arrested today, so I have some less than "loving" memories

I can relate to this.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[brightfame52]

Jeremiah 31:3

Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Those whom God Loved in Christ from Everlasting, or before the world began Jn 17:23-24

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them [The Church], as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

The very same are drawn to God effectually ! Now by saying therefore, that gives us the signal that the drawing was due to the Everlasting Love, which is only in Christ Jesus Our Lord Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This Love of God is exclusive, no other Love does God have save that which is in Christ Jesus ! This Love is founded in Eternal Election in Christ, or we cannot be Loved by God from Everlasting, no one can ! And if we were, without doubt He will draw us to Himself, He will quicken us Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us [Jer 31:3],

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

If God Loved us, then He saves us by His Grace !

 

[brightfame52]

atpollard

Does God LOVE Esau?

No sir, as well as all the non elect, Esau represented them all, as did Jacob represented the ones He Loves and had chosen in Christ.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

You hear this a lot, but everybody really defines what they mean by love.

Deut 10:15 The LORD delighted only in your fathers, to love them; and He chose their descendants after them, you above all peoples, as it is this day.

The word "delighted" according to Strongs:
Delighted = 2836. chashaq
Usage: The Hebrew verb "chashaq" primarily conveys a sense of deep affection, attachment, or love. It often implies a strong emotional bond or desire, whether between individuals or between God and His people. The term can denote both human and divine love, emphasizing a committed and intentional choice to love or be attached to someone or something.

It is clear that God is saying that He only delighted in and loved their fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) above everybody else.

Amo 3:2 "You only have I known of all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

Known = H3045 Yada
Usage: The Hebrew verb "yada" encompasses a range of meanings related to knowledge and understanding. It is used to describe intellectual awareness, experiential knowledge, and intimate familiarity. In the biblical context, "yada" often implies a deep, personal, and relational knowledge, such as the intimate relationship between God and His people or between individuals.

I'm not trying to imply that God doesn't have some kind of benevolence toward everybody else, but God has said that there are some He delights in over others.

God loves all his world's human creatures with his universal love, but he has a special love for his true believers.