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Does the Bible tell us to celebrate Christmas?

We shouldn't set aside special days that we regard as more sacred than others. Every moment of every day you live is sacred, and we should see it as such.

Keep in mind this Scripture though...

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NASB-28286"></sup> One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6

Every moment of every day is special....but nonetheless, some do like to observed special days.
 
Does the Bible tell us to celebrate Christmas?
It's logically possible. What I know is 'Christ is happy about Chrristmas Celebartion':lol
 
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Ya think Passover was a mistake?

Well, the passover wouldn't have been necessary if the Egyptian royalty didn't devalue the life of other human beings and enslave them. What goes around comes around basically. I think we allow ourselves to become sinful by devaluing certain moments against others. It gives us room in some instances to act less Godly than in other circumstances. I almost think holy days are a kind of compensation to make up for all the times we act wrongly, or at least they can be. I guess all that matters is that people do try in some way. Its better than not trying at all I suppose.

By the way Handy, excellent quote.
 
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God's action are not a reaction.

I think that's a bit reductionist though. Every action is, in a sense, a reaction. God watches how we behave and acts accordingly. That's what judgement is all about. There may be some type implication in what you're trying to communicate that I may be missing as well. Being that God created the laws of action and reaction, He may be somehow outside of that paradigm altogether. I don't know what His non-temporal nature may imply. I don't want to hurt my brain too much over this, but from my understanding, judgement is a kind of reaction. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have free will.
 
No - it doesn't.


Case closed.


So go ahead and celebrate it if you feel like it.
The Bible's got nothing to do with it at all.
Exactly. And so Merry Christmas! I will glorify the Lord, and celebrate my Christmas, and fah-lah-lah all the way. Happy new year, if you celebrate it. :wave

:toofunny
 
I think the real question should be whether or not Jesus would have wanted his title associated with all the rampant consumerism of the holiday's current form.
 
...it was very intentionally done to co-opt the various pagan holidays that surround that date. Personally, I think it was a brilliant idea. The Church won.
I suppose that you are open to Casse Canarie. If you ask a Haitian what practice they will likely say Roman Catholic. So if they are a Catholic and celebrate Casse Canarie then it must be fine... break a bottle and release a dead person's spirit so that it may roam around the earth for a few days. The next day you get to feed your spirit. Why not? Voodoo is now Christian because the followers say so... that is what matters, right?
"What! You're telling me Mithras was supposedly born on Dec. 25! That means Christianity is all a lie!"
That only means that different beliefs crossed paths at a point in time, and I suggest investigating it. I tell both Christians and non-Christians this.

other Christians who seem to think that if I memorialize Christ's birth with songs, decorations, and joy, really I am worshipping ancient pagan deities without realizing it!
No, if you memorialize the Messiah's birth with pagan songs, decorations and rituals then you are blaspheming His name. On the other hand, if you act with Christian thought and action it is another story. Save the plastic toys, the video games, idolizing trees and myths of flying animals for someone else and go be a "Magi" and bring gifts to the homeless and needy that allow them to escape persecution. Those electronics you bought your child required Coltan. The materialism you place in your children feeds a sinister evil in the dark places of the world.

Timmy gets that Ipad he has been needing!

But he really needs a computer? A reasonable claim given how our society operates; electronic transactions, internet, social media, free education, entrepreneurship check this out!

Besides, I have a hard time believing that God doesn't take delight in the fact that for basically a month even secularists are caught up in a massive celebration that virtually evenyone understands is about the birth of our Savior. The Messiah. Christ the Lord.
He doesn't because the heart is missing. It isn't wise to mention secularist delighting God.

As a father of seven I can tell you, kids need the trival things like gifts or fun activities so that they learn to associate those feelings of joy and anticipation with the deeper meanings of the celebration as they grow older.
So you lie to them about a superstitious character, transforming the celebration of your Holy Savior into a self serving, materialistic cheraide because you doubt the intellectual ability of your children to understand the importance of a specific even in the bible and turning point in history?

I can't imagine sitting my kids down and saying to them, "You see all those lights, hear the beautiful music, see the joy and excitement at the exchange of gifts? Those people may think they're remembering Christ, but those things are really just silly pagan holdovers, so we don't do that.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

No. We're going to do the more meaningful thing. We're going to sit in a dark house meditating on God's gift of Jesus to mankind. Isn't that so much better?" :toofunny
How about be a servant to your community? Why not sponsor a refugee family? Teach them how to use a thermostat, how to read an electric bill, teach them English, provide them with essential knowledge to get along in our society? I promise you there is an immense need. If you walked into the home of a refugee family and you won't even think they have moved in because they own only what they could carry into the US. Don't just give them materials, but give them your time.
That is a Christian way to celebrate the birth of your Savior. Do unto others what He has done to you. Count the costs to truly follow your Lord because the way is narrow.

As for the day, its obviously not Dec. 25, but that is the smallest of my points. Don't get lost on it.
 
I think that's a bit reductionist though. Every action is, in a sense, a reaction. God watches how we behave and acts accordingly. That's what judgement is all about. There may be some type implication in what you're trying to communicate that I may be missing as well. Being that God created the laws of action and reaction, He may be somehow outside of that paradigm altogether. I don't know what His non-temporal nature may imply. I don't want to hurt my brain too much over this, but from my understanding, judgement is a kind of reaction. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have free will.

Very well said. To further your point, how many times did God bend to the pleads of godly men? Abraham is one, Samson is another. I am sure the teachers of this forum can source many more.
 
Very well said. To further your point, how many times did God bend to the pleads of godly men? Abraham is one, Samson is another. I am sure the teachers of this forum can source many more.

I think God is almost like a kind of feedback loop for our own actions. God is truth, and if we, by our ignorance and fallen nature, live our lives through falsity, we contrast more and more against the divinity of God. He's pure unconditional love, but when we reject that love through acting selfishly, we push ourselves away from His guidance and love as Samson did when he broke his vow. If we die having remained separated from that love, we remain separated in the hereafter. I don't think his anger and wrath works the same as human anger and wrath, as well as superficial variants of human love (e.g. Samson rejected agape for eros).

Its not all just balance and counterbalance in the Buddhist sense either. I think God is also an intelligence too. I don't want to take away from that. His nature is really enigmatic and hard to pin down.
 
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I think that's a bit reductionist though. Every action is, in a sense, a reaction. God watches how we behave and acts accordingly. That's what judgement is all about. There may be some type implication in what you're trying to communicate that I may be missing as well. Being that God created the laws of action and reaction, He may be somehow outside of that paradigm altogether. I don't know what His non-temporal nature may imply. I don't want to hurt my brain too much over this, but from my understanding, judgement is a kind of reaction. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have free will.
His laws are set, we react. His plan was set before the foundations of the world, we react. God is not reactionary.
 
I don't think his anger and wrath works the same as human anger and wrath, as well as superficial variants of human love (e.g. Samson rejected agape for eros).

And then gave Samson back his strength upon true repentance before his death so that he may honor Him once more.

His nature is really enigmatic and hard to pin down.
I disagree. God promotes good. He allowed Israel to go their own way, be overtaken, but only to welcome them again as in the prodigal son story. The Prodigal Son is the bases of human existence since Adam and Eve's fall.
 
His laws are set, we react. His plan was set before the foundations of the world, we react. God is not reactionary.

His nature's too enigmatic for me to agree with that 100%. I think there's certain variables and laws that are set in stone, sure. In terms of us, as free will agents, I think he adjusts certain aspects of his plan though. Like, when Adam and Eve attained knowledge of good and evil, he changed his plan to one that accommodated our new capacity to know and carry out evil. He was going to guide us directly until we chose to reject Him and stray off His path. So, then we had to leave the garden, where we had to toil and fend for ourselves on the outside. This ultimately lead to Jesus having to be crucified for our sins, which just wouldn't have had to happen if Adam and Eve didn't eat the fruit. This is where I part ways with deterministic philosophy and theology.

Our disagreement may just be based in the limitations of language. I can see a certain part of what you're saying. His will just is. We're the ones who reject it, and things go askew for us accordingly. There's his purity, and we, as impure beings contradict it, so things go askew for us. For example its not the law of gravity reacting when a bridge collapses from bad engineering. The result of this is all based in humans not respecting physical laws. The laws aren't reacting or even acting.

I can agree that God isn't reacting in terms of his will, but, if that's the case, he isn't acting either. His will for us and where he wants us to go just is, and things go bad when we act and react improperly and disrespectfully toward that will.

As far as His plans go though, I think He does change them. His primary nature and will for us doesn't change though, I'm pretty certain of that. I'm not sure though. I have to read more scripture and pray on this to come up with a more solid understanding, if its possible at all anyway.


Sorry if that sounds redundant.
 
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This is the first we hear of God's plan...
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

with all that is in between...
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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Fedusenko,

I'm happy you find meaning in remembering the birth of our Savior in whatever way you see fit.

I doubt it's worth my time responding to your long post to me, but allow me to say that you are wrong to assume that I take the birth story lightly, or neglect to help those in need, or "lie to [my children]" about Santa Claus, or do anything regarding my walk with Jesus without a great deal of thought, or any of the things you accused me of in your post.

If you have spent anytime reading what I do write, you may disagree with my positions - and I don't mind if you do, but I think (I hope) it's apparent that I do put a great deal of thought into my opinions and actions. It's why I don't post more than 4-10 times a week.

Anyway...Enjoy the new year.
 
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