Does the devil need to get God's permission?

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Jesus told us that Satan desires/savours the things of men, and not the things of God.

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The "Get thee behind me, Satan" is actually the same showing as Mark 4:15, showing the "order" that Satan is allowed by God, into the hearts of men. Satan in Peter is "a KEY" to understandings. First Peter has "Word truth." What then happens immediately afterwards?

This same principle is repeated throughout the scriptures.

Shown again, here for example, in the order of Mark 4:15

Mark 16:
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

None of the above has to do with "snake handling" real snakes or "drinking physical poison" or even laying hands on the physically infirm. It all has to do with the "personal engagement" of our mutual adversary who FOLLOWS where The Word is sown, and it is sown "in believers." It is in the "order/command" of "Get thee behind me, Satan" and "where the Word is sown, Satan enters the heart."

Anyone who has witnessed the Gospel and had a devil cry out (and this adverse reaction comes in MANY subtle forms) is actually engaging the Spiritual Principle, above. Just as demons cried out from within people, where Jesus Walked and Spoke.

This is actually "how" we are saved as well. We are "taken" from Satan's stronghold, by God in Christ, Personally, Himself.

Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

I might also note that the term "cast out" can also be read as "revealed."

 

[childeye]

I read it a bit different there. Why would Satan care to ask Jesus about Peter? This is the same Satan that killed Jesus, the respect is simply not there. (To his hurt, but still)

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
(Luk 22:31-32 KJV)

This is the NASB translation.
Luke 22:31
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;

 

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And I know this sight will offend many, but any believer who practices the possible condemnation of believers on any basis is having a Satanic engagement with the "blamer and accuser" of the brethren.

This probably encompasses about 1/2 the congregations or more, currently on earth.

 

[Brother Mike]

This is the NASB translation.
Luke 22:31
“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;

The Greek Word is Demand, desire, but Demand from who, and Permission is not rendered in the Greek. Clear Satan is not asking Jesus for Peter, otherwise Jesus would have no need to pray for Peter if He was repsonisble for allow the devil to get Peter.

The Devil did Get Peter though, as Peter wrote about that, and Wrote what not to do to avoid it.

However, this subject is getting a bit old, a more interesting one would be a flat earth. How about that,.? Would like some well versed folks in that one.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...y-right-its-enough-to-make-me-question.62148/

Be blessed.

 

[childeye]

And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
(Luk 22:33 KJV)

Jesus just told them they would leave him, but Peter is telling him He is wrong here. Peter also makes himself out to be better than the rest in another passage saying they might leave, but not me, I am the strong one.

It was this comment after that Jesus said you will deny me. Satan did get him, but that word, "When your converted" still stood.

Unless it's judgement, I don't see God giving permission to Satan to do anything to us. God don't need the tools of hell to get us on the right path.

Again this is another excellent example of vanity, this time in Peter. Is this coincidental that vanity keeps reappearing in our posts?

Even Paul, the Messenger was not sent to humble Paul, the workings of Satan come to kill, steal and destroy, not help God humble us. No, He came to the people with a anti-Gospel message against Paul's so Paul's would not be exalted above measure.

Have you ever preached the Word with inspiration and fire, and then afterward were humbled and saddened by being told not to get all personally puffed up? I view Paul's messenger as an internal strife which he asks God to take away from him. For example, there exists scripture of Paul thinking Peter is afraid of the Jews and he boldly admonishes Peter. Galatians 2:11. Yet when they meet for their first council in Jerusalem, Peter shows no reason that would support Paul's misgivings about Peter. Acts 15:10. Perhaps Paul was wrong about Peter and needed to see that. Perhaps Paul was puffed up and thought he was better than Peter and it was his job to straighten Peter out. This seems contrary to the Holy Spirit who orchestrates all things in the church. If Peter needed a reprimand , it seems to me out of place and divisive to send Paul.

Paul tried to get it done on His amazing revelation and not factor in Christ (The anointing one and His anointing) so got the slats kicked out from underneath him thinking He was strong in something, when He should have been trusting more in the Lord's anointing and grace than His own knowledge.

If this were true , then why would Paul say this? 1 Corinthians 1:17. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

 

[childeye]

And I know this sight will offend many, but any believer who practices the possible condemnation of believers on any basis is having a Satanic engagement with the "blamer and accuser" of the brethren.

This probably encompasses about 1/2 the congregations or more, currently on earth.

Don't blame me for being offended, I'm only capable of vanity.

 

[Brother Mike]

Again this is another excellent example of vanity, this time in Peter. Is this coincidental that vanity keeps reappearing in our posts?

Have you ever preached the Word with inspiration and fire, and then afterward were humbled and saddened by being told not to get all personally puffed up? I view Paul's messenger as an internal strife which he asks God to take away from him. For example, there exists scripture of Paul thinking Peter is afraid of the Jews and he boldly admonishes Peter. Galatians 2:11. Yet when they meet for their first council in Jerusalem, Peter shows no reason that would support Paul's misgivings about Peter. Acts 15:10. Perhaps Paul was wrong about Peter and needed to see that. Perhaps Paul was puffed up and thought he was better than Peter and it was his job to straighten Peter out. This seems contrary to the Holy Spirit who orchestrates all things in the church. If Peter needed a reprimand , it seems to me out of place and divisive to send Paul.

If this were true , then why would Paul say this? 1 Corinthians 1:17. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Peter lacked revelation, and just needed corrected. We all do.
As for preaching or being a Pastor, I am thankful I had lots of Word in me to avoid the pride thing. Paul's example of the messenger helped lots, we don't do things in our own power. Well.............. guilty keep reading.
I also don't compliment young men or women giving the Word, or answer them if they ask how they did. I just tell them I am not the judge. It's very easy to get puffed up when everyone thinks your awesome and the one doing the miracles.

It was not always so though, I use to talk a lot about my faith this, and my faith that. I thank God that was out of me when it was time to Pastor, If someone says that was awesome Mike, I just say thank you, praise God.

I think that is just a maturity thing though, right? We all are growing up more and more.

As for Paul's thorn, I would have to type far to much. right now on this Flat earth thing, sort of a mind trip.

Thank you for sharing though.

Mike.