Does your Church teach Acts 2 ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and all you have to see , this truth , is to go to a Borders Book Store and look for this title.


1) " The Everything Catholicism Book " is sold there .

2) That is not a big deal , is it ?

3) This just some of WHAT they believe and I believe they can believe what they want .

4) They begin the Body of Christ at Acts 2 .

5) But they have also taken other teaching of the Nation of Israel as their own .

6) Like the Priesthood .

7) The Lord's earthly ministry .

8) water baptism .

9) The Gospel of the Kingdom preaching of the Jesus .

10) The Lord's Communion .

11) Even the use of tongues .

12) Even vision's , and of course their are more .


13) Are you one of the many churches that are teaching Roman Catholoicism , doctrine , tenets , and don't realize that you are a Roman Catholic ? Are you ?

14) The Body of Christ is not in gospels , but was reaveled as it was given to the Apostle Paul , after Acts 9 .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

dan p"]Hi to all , and all you have to see , this truth , is to go to a Borders Book Store and look for this title.


1) " The Everything Catholicism Book " is sold there .

You trying to sell a book?

 

[duval]

The Bible clearly teaches the church which is the body of Christ began in Acts 2. There was recent thread that it began in Acts 9. All the arguments for Acts 9 are in that thread but have no triue biblical foundation at all. But to answer the question of your thread "Does your Church teach Acts 2?, yes, the church I attend certainly does and we are far from being Cathkolic except in the sense the word "Catholic" means universal, and, of couse, the Lord's church IS universal.

God bless
duval.

 

[Entropic_Prodigy]

:crazy There's Churches that teach the body of Christ begins in Acts 9????? What denominations are those???

Our Pastor told us awhile ago that he had been reading that most Church bodies were biblically illiterate, so I suppose anything's possible.

 

[dan p]

Hi Eatropic , we have many churches that teach that the Body of Christ began with the Apostle Paul's salvation .

1) There is no clear teaching that the Church began in Acts 2 , for I believed what my Pastor told me also , and you know what , he admitted later to me that he was wrong , what a guy .

2) He is the one that led me into Acts 9 , and then there is the Acts 13 position and then the Acts 28:28 hyper-dispensational position .

3) We are in the Philippines, Brazil , and Africa and England , to mention a few countries .

4) The reason that I am Acts 9 , is because of Rom 1:1 , where the word SEPARATED, means to limit or set boundries, so that Paul could only preach Acts 20:24 and then in 1 Tin 1:15 , where Paul is the first one in the Body of Christ . The word CHIEF is the Greek word PROTOS , which means FIRST and NOT Chief. Chief is used when speaking of Rank or Dignity , and that is NOT the case here in 1 Tim 1:15 .

 

[Entropic_Prodigy]

Thanks, Danp.

I've only been to about 4 different Christian Churches, and I only know of 3 for sure that teach Acts 2. The other one in question is just that -- in question. They had good food, though. :D

Your explanation of Acts 9 makes sense, and I'll bring it to bible study next time to see what others think about it. I need to re-read Acts again this week, and examine it as a theme with yoru view in mind.

I'm just shocked at how wide and varied views can be on almost everything in the bible. One of these days, I need to just start over, and go through the bible from beginning to end in it's entirety like I did when I first became a Christian. Even now as I re-read chapters and books of the bible, certain things are starting to jump out at me that never did before, I'm thinking when I have a second go at the whole thing I'll have it down pretty good.

 

[dan p]

Thanks, Danp.

I've only been to about 4 different Christian Churches, and I only know of 3 for sure that teach Acts 2. The other one in question is just that -- in question. They had good food, though. :D

Your explanation of Acts 9 makes sense, and I'll bring it to bible study next time to see what others think about it. I need to re-read Acts again this week, and examine it as a theme with yoru view in mind.

I'm just shocked at how wide and varied views can be on almost everything in the bible. One of these days, I need to just start over, and go through the bible from beginning to end in it's entirety like I did when I first became a Christian. Even now as I re-read chapters and books of the bible, certain things are starting to jump out at me that never did before, I'm thinking when I have a second go at the whole thing I'll have it down pretty good.

Hi Entropic, you will see that there are positions on when the Body of Christ began ,

1) The body began in Genesis and salvation is by Grace and this is a Covenant Theology position and may have to study what that means and will be glad to explain .

2) Then there are the Matt 16 or Acts 2 position , which they call them selfs Dispensational , but is NOT Dispensational at all .

3) Just imagine if the Apostle Paul were in our midst, and we aked him , Paul , when did the Body of Christ begin ? What would he say ?

4) He would NOT say mid-Acts , but I believe that he knew , and would say Acts 9 , and it is easily proveable by Rom 1:1 , 1 Tim 1:15-16 where the word PROTOS means FIRST , and by 1 Cor 15:8 , just to mention a few proof texts .

5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 .

6) Then the Acts 11 position .

7) Then there is the Acts 13 position, where a former Pastor of mine held this position , and when I explained the Acts 9, he had no comment .

8) Then there is the Acts 28:28 postion , which looks similar to Acts 9 , but is not .

9) Most of these positions are considered Dispensational , and Paul is a Dispensationalist , and is easily proven , best to use in your study as you see what Paul is really teaching .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

[5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 ..

I dont see where Paul was the first jew saved by grace nor do I see him as the first apostle sent to the gentiles..
If Im not mistaken all the apostles are saved by grace and 11 of those 12 were saved before Paul.Also Peter appears to have been sent to gentiles before Paul in acts 10.

I see where the Lord said he would send Paul to the gentiles but it appears Peter was sent to gentiles before Paul.

Maybe Im not understanding what you guys are talking about?
The word Church means an assembly and Jesus speaking of his church said that the gates of hell shall not prevent it, speaking of the ressurection.When Jesus calls his assembly(church)im sure the jews who were saved by grace will attend so why would anyone exclude the jews saved by grace when speaking of the church?

 

[dan p]

[5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 ..

I dont see where Paul was the first jew saved by grace nor do I see him as the first apostle sent to the gentiles..
If Im not mistaken all the apostles are saved by grace and 11 of those 12 were saved before Paul.Also Peter appears to have been sent to gentiles before Paul in acts 10.

I see where the Lord said he would send Paul to the gentiles but it appears Peter was sent to gentiles before Paul.

Maybe Im not understanding what you guys are talking about?
The word Church means an assembly and Jesus speaking of his church said that the gates of hell shall not prevent it, speaking of the ressurection.When Jesus calls his assembly(church)im sure the jews who were saved by grace will attend so why would anyone exclude the jews saved by grace when speaking of the church?

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today ?

2)Paul was sent to preach the Dispensation of Grace , in Acts 20:24 , and not to Baptize , why is that ? See 1 Cor 1:17 and see why Paul could NOT baptize or his message of Grace or the CROSS of Christ be of NONE EFFECT . Paul only BAPTIZED Jews only , per Acts 18:8 .

3) In Acts 10: 44-48 , how was Cornelius saved ?

4) By water or by Grace ? He was baptized !!! Baptism is ALL Jewish !!!!! Does baptism alway mean WATER ? Prove it ?

5) In Acts 21:20 they were still keeping the Law !!!!!

6) Rom 11:13 , says that Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles .

7) Can you find one for Peter, and I know that you can't .

8) In Gal 2:8 , we see that Peter was to GO to the Jews or the Circumcision and Paul was to GO to the UN-circumscision , or the Gentiles , and that settles it for me .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

="dan p"

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today ?

I say all 12 apostles are saved by grace because no man is saved by works.
You are chosen to recieve grace or your not and they recieved it.
That was evident the day they recieved the holy spirit from God.

2)Paul was sent to preach the Dispensation of Grace , in Acts 20:24 , and not to Baptize , why is that ? See 1 Cor 1:17 and see why Paul could NOT baptize or his message of Grace or the CROSS of Christ be of NONE EFFECT . Paul only BAPTIZED Jews only , per Acts 18:8 .

I know Paul wasnt sent to baptise but he did and he said so himself.He thanked God he didnt baptise any more than he did.Can you prove the other apostles didnt make the same mistake as Paul?

3) In Acts 10: 44-48 , how was Cornelius saved ?

Cornelius was saved the moment he was baptised in the Holy Spirit.
At that moment he was washed clean.The point I was making is that Peter was sent to the house of Cornelius before Paul was sent to anyone and Cornelius and his family were gentiles.Therefore God had already sent Peter to the gentiles before Paul.

4) By water or by Grace ? He was baptized !!! Baptism is ALL Jewish !!!!! Does baptism alway mean WATER ? Prove it ?

No ,baptism does not always mean water.In fact Peter needed not baptise them in water after God had already cleansed them.

5) In Acts 21:20 they were still keeping the Law !!!!!

Was Stephen keeping the law when he was stoned to death?
You shouldnt judge all the jews because of the works of some.
Simple fact is you think you have to be a gentile to be a member of the church and your wrong.The church began with the jews.

6) Rom 11:13 , says that Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles .

And Peter was sent to the gentiles before Paul was ever sent to anyone.

7) Can you find one for Peter, and I know that you can't .

I already have proven it as a fact.Peter was told in acts 10;20 by the Lord to go with the men who took him to the house of Cornelius who is a gentile.God knew he was sending Peter to preach to gentiles .

8) In Gal 2:8 , we see that Peter was to GO to the Jews or the Circumcision and Paul was to GO to the UN-circumscision , or the Gentiles , and that settles it for me

Peter was still sent to gentiles before Paul unless you saying Cornelius wasnt a gentile when the scriptures says that he is.You was wrong .

 

[duval]

Paul said we are saved by grace, Eph.2:8,9. Grace means unmerited favor. None merit salvation as especially seen in Rom.2.

Paul said in I Cor.1 he was not sent to baptize but to preach the gospel. That did not mean he could NOT baptize for if so he violated God's instruction by baptizing Crispus and Gaius, also in I Cor 1. The reason Paul did not baptize many in Corinth was because of the division among believers over those who baptized them, and people lineing up behind their favorite preacher causing divisions. Read carefully the 1st three chapters of I Cor.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Paul said we are saved by grace, Eph.2:8,9. Grace means unmerited favor. None merit salvation as especially seen in Rom.2.

Paul said in I Cor.1 he was not sent to baptize but to preach the gospel. That did not mean he could NOT baptize for if so he violated God's instruction by baptizing Crispus and Gaius, also in I Cor 1. The reason Paul did not baptize many in Corinth was because of the division among believers over those who baptized them, and people lineing up behind their favorite preacher causing divisions. Read carefully the 1st three chapters of I Cor.

Ive read them carefully.
Paul thanking God that he didnt baptise many in Corinth should tell you something.
Just goes to show Paul was not perfect.He had things to learn just as anyone else.
How many people do you expect Paul baptised in water after this learning experience ?
Do you think he went about baptising more people in water after thanking God he hadnt baptised anymore than he already had?

 

[dan p]

="dan p"

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today ?

I say all 12 apostles are saved by grace because no man is saved by works.
You are chosen to recieve grace or your not and they recieved it.
That was evident the day they recieved the holy spirit from God.

[quote:3h0zlj4w]2)Paul was sent to preach the Dispensation of Grace , in Acts 20:24 , and not to Baptize , why is that ? See 1 Cor 1:17 and see why Paul could NOT baptize or his message of Grace or the CROSS of Christ be of NONE EFFECT . Paul only BAPTIZED Jews only , per Acts 18:8 .

I know Paul wasnt sent to baptise but he did and he said so himself.He thanked God he didnt baptise any more than he did.Can you prove the other apostles didnt make the same mistake as Paul?

3) In Acts 10: 44-48 , how was Cornelius saved ?

Cornelius was saved the moment he was baptised in the Holy Spirit.
At that moment he was washed clean.The point I was making is that Peter was sent to the house of Cornelius before Paul was sent to anyone and Cornelius and his family were gentiles.Therefore God had already sent Peter to the gentiles before Paul.

4) By water or by Grace ? He was baptized !!! Baptism is ALL Jewish !!!!! Does baptism alway mean WATER ? Prove it ?

No ,baptism does not always mean water.In fact Peter needed not baptise them in water after God had already cleansed them.

5) In Acts 21:20 they were still keeping the Law !!!!!

Was Stephen keeping the law when he was stoned to death?
You shouldnt judge all the jews because of the works of some.
Simple fact is you think you have to be a gentile to be a member of the church and your wrong.The church began with the jews.

6) Rom 11:13 , says that Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles .

And Peter was sent to the gentiles before Paul was ever sent to anyone.

7) Can you find one for Peter, and I know that you can't .

I already have proven it as a fact.Peter was told in acts 10;20 by the Lord to go with the men who took him to the house of Cornelius who is a gentile.God knew he was sending Peter to preach to gentiles .

8) In Gal 2:8 , we see that Peter was to GO to the Jews or the Circumcision and Paul was to GO to the UN-circumscision , or the Gentiles , and that settles it for me

Peter was still sent to gentiles before Paul unless you saying Cornelius wasnt a gentile when the scriptures says that he is.You was wrong .[/quote:3h0zlj4w]

1) Where is the verse that reveals that the 12 , were saved by Grace , because in the Gospels , Christ had not died yet ?

2) They were still Law keepers , and Jesus was BORN , LIVED , AND DIED under the Law, so your ARGUMENT IS moot .

3) Where is the verse that Peter is called the apostle of the Gentiles , like in Rom 11:13 , 1 Tim 2:7 , 2 Tim 1:11 , and in Rom 15:16 , but where is Peter called the Apostle to the Gentiles , like Paul is called ?

4) Just because Peter talks to a Gentile , which he had to explain to his Jews brothers , Acts 11:1-4 , Peter was not to eat , let alone talk and do business with Gentiles . Their is a significance
to Acts 10 , but you have not explained its real significance , can you ?

5) In Matt 28: 19 , they were commanded to go to ALL NATIONS . Did they do that command ?
You can not prove it , for Israel was set aside in Acts 28 .

6) You can NOT rebut Gal 2:8 , and you did not try .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

="dan p"]


1) Where is the verse that reveals that the 12 , were saved by Grace , because in the Gospels , Christ had not died yet ?

Ive already told you.No man is saved by works.Are you implying the apostles who recieved the holy sprit from God is not saved?The very works thats followed then testifies that they are saved,.

2) They were still Law keepers , and Jesus was BORN , LIVED , AND DIED under the Law, so your ARGUMENT IS moot .

The apostles were not saved till after Jesus had died .They were saved when they were baptised in the Holy Spirit.

3) Where is the verse that Peter is called the apostle of the Gentiles , like in Rom 11:13 , 1 Tim 2:7 , 2 Tim 1:11 , and in Rom 15:16 , but where is Peter called the Apostle to the Gentiles , like Paul is called ?

Peter was sent to preach the gospel to the gentiles in Conelius's house before Paul was sent to anyone.You was wrong.

4) Just because Peter talks to a Gentile , which he had to explain to his Jews brothers , Acts 11:1-4 , Peter was not to eat , let alone talk and do business with Gentiles . Their is a significance
to Acts 10 , but you have not explained its real significance , can you ?

Why are you judging Peter as though you are a jew?
God sent Peter to the gentiles.Are you going to judge Jesus because he also ate and drank with sinners?

5) In Matt 28: 19 , they were commanded to go to ALL NATIONS . Did they do that command ?
You can not prove it , for Israel was set aside in Acts 28 .

6) You can NOT rebut Gal 2:8 , and you did not try .

Ive already proven you are were wrong.Peter was sent to the gentiles before Paul .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

dan

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today

Now,if its your claim that the apostles are not saved by grace and are saved another way then prove it.Ive not read of another way to be saved.

If its your claim that the apostles are not saved then prove it.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"dan p"

5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 .

Prove that Paul was the first jew saved by Grace.
Prove the other apostles were not saved by grace as you claim.
Prove that Stephen was not saved by grace as you claim.

 

[dan p]

"dan p"

5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 .

Prove that Paul was the first jew saved by Grace.
Prove the other apostles were not saved by grace as you claim.
Prove that Stephen was not saved by grace as you claim.

1) In 1 Cor 15:8 , only one Jew was aborted , and that was Paul , 1 Cor 15:8-11 and one day will give an explaination of that passage .

2) My proof text in Gal 2:8 was not adressed !!!!!

3) In 1 Tim1:15-16 , I will adress .

4) PAULwas the first one in the Body of Christ, why ?

5) Just by logic , proves it , because he is the first one to reveal that there is such a thing as the Body of Christ .

6) In 1 Tim 1:15 , Faithful is the Word and worthly of all reception , that Christ came into the world to sav sinners , of whom I am the PROTOS .

7) The Greek word PROTOS means FIRST and a secondary meaning is Chief when speaking of Rank or Dignity , WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE .

8) So the Translation of FIRST is correct .


9) That means that Paul was the first one in the Body of Christ .

10) v16 , But for this reason I was given mercy , in order that in me PROTOS ( FIRST ) Christ Jesus might show forth all longsuffering for a PATTERN of the ones coming to believe on him unto everlasting life .

11) The context has not changed between v15 and 16 .


12) In the Body of Christ , we become one in Christ , whether we be Jew, gentiles . bond or free Gal 3:28 .

13) You do not see that in the Gospels , until the Pauline letters .

14) Paul also speaks of Sancitfication , something that is not found in the Old Testament or in the Gospels , check and see , and that is why Pauls message of Grace is differencT , along without no sacifices which they all in the Gospels and in Acts period had to DO .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"dan p"

5) Then the Acts 9 , the first Jew saved by Grace and sent to the Gentiles Acts 9:15 .

Prove that Paul was the first jew saved by Grace.
Prove the other apostles were not saved by grace as you claim.
Prove that Stephen was not saved by grace as you claim.

12) In the Body of Christ , we become one in Christ , whether we be Jew, gentiles . bond or free Gal 3:28 .

.

You just proved my point. :biglol
The body of Christ didnt start with the gentiles.
The church started with the jews.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You are the first person Ive ever heard say the apostles were not members of the body of Christ.Maybe we should have a poll on the board and see how many people agree with you.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Colossians 1;24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you,and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake,which is the church.

You do understand the church is the body of Christ dont you?
Look here in acts ,the Lord adding to the body of Christ .

Acts 2;47
Praising God,and having favor with all the people.And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Col 1;18
And he is the head of the body,the church;who is the beginning,the first-born from the dead;that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.