Does your Church teach Acts 2 ?

[duval]

HI SHILOSFOAL:

We are not told whether Paul baptized many or none after I Cor.1. Who does the baptizing in NOT important. What baptism IS FOR is what is important. Being for the remission of sins Acts 2:38, in the Bible there was no delay.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

HI SHILOSFOAL:

We are not told whether Paul baptized many or none after I Cor.1. Who does the baptizing in NOT important. What baptism IS FOR is what is important. Being for the remission of sins Acts 2:38, in the Bible there was no delay.

Who does the baptizing is the most important .

 

[dan p]

Colossians 1;24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you,and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake,which is the church.

You do understand the church is the body of Christ dont you?
Look here in acts ,the Lord adding to the body of Christ .

Acts 2;47
Praising God,and having favor with all the people.And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Col 1;18
And he is the head of the body,the church;who is the beginning,the first-born from the dead;that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.

1) I understand the the word EKKLESIA is a Greek compound word , that means means ASSEMBLY and NOT Church .

2) Lokk at W.E.Vines Greek Dictionary and see what you find ?

3) Vine's will tell you to look under Assembly or under Congregation , for you will not find it under Church .

4) So what is the Greek word for Church , it is KURIAKOS and it means " I belong to God " in 1 Cor 11:20 and in Rev 1:10 .

5) SOMA CHRISTOS means Body of Christ .

6) If you check out the Greek word in Col 1:18 it is the Greek word EKKLESIA , which means Assembly .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Colossians 1;24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you,and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake,which is the church.

You do understand the church is the body of Christ dont you?
Look here in acts ,the Lord adding to the body of Christ .

Acts 2;47
Praising God,and having favor with all the people.And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Col 1;18
And he is the head of the body,the church;who is the beginning,the first-born from the dead;that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.

1) I understand the the word EKKLESIA is a Greek compound word , that means means ASSEMBLY and NOT Church .

2) Lokk at W.E.Vines Greek Dictionary and see what you find ?

3) Vine's will tell you to look under Assembly or under Congregation , for you will not find it under Church .

4) So what is the Greek word for Church , it is KURIAKOS and it means " I belong to God " in 1 Cor 11:20 and in Rev 1:10 .

5) SOMA CHRISTOS means Body of Christ .

6) If you check out the Greek word in Col 1:18 it is the Greek word EKKLESIA , which means Assembly .

The assembly of Christ is the body of Christ.
One member does not a body make.
One of the very first things I learned after recieving the Holy Spirit was that I didnt belong to myself.I had become a member of his body=church.

 

[dan p]

dan

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today

Now,if its your claim that the apostles are not saved by grace and are saved another way then prove it.Ive not read of another way to be saved.

If its your claim that the apostles are not saved then prove it.

1) You believe that they were saved by Grace , yet you DO NOT show a verse why they ARE ?

2) Why do you avoid the question ? I know why , because you will never find IT .

3) Do YOU forget that They are all under the Law of Moses , have a temple for sacrifices , Acts 21:20 .

4) All Israel was save as long as they gave the required sacrifice , and the Highpriest gave the sacrifice for Israel once a year .

4) How do you explain Mark 16: 15-18 ? Can you answer MY questions ?

5) Can you show where the 12 preach Grace ?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Mark 16;15-18
And he said unto them,Go ye into all the world,and preach the gosple to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved;but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe;In my name shall they cast out devils;they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents;and if they drink any deadly things.it shall not hurt them;they shall lay hands on the sick,and they shall recover.

The apostles followed Jesus about for 3 1/2 years by faith.As thier testimonies show they believed Jesus is Christ,the son of God.On the day of pentecost,thier sins were forgiven and they were made clean.And the signs you see above follow those who are saved .Now we know by scripture that they are saved by the signs that followed them and we know by scripture there are none justified by works.It was by the grace of God they were forgiven and it was by the grace of God they are saved.

On aug 31,1998 I was saved by the grace of God.I was baptised in the Holy Spirit not by my own works ,but because I believed the gospel as recorded in the scripture by the apostles.I was baptised in the holy spirit,while in my own house without another human present in the house.You may not believe that God is able to do this but this is my testimony and it is true.

 

[duval]

If we are talking about water baptism I repeat: who does the baptizing is NOT important.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If we are talking about water baptism I repeat: who does the baptizing is NOT important.

 

[Paidion]

QUESTION: When did the gospel of Jesus Christ begin?
ANSWER:

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, "Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way; the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." John the baptizer appeared in the desert, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forsaking of sins. Mark 1:1-4

There is only one gospel! And it began with the preaching of John the Baptizer, it continued with our Lord Himself, and then was followed by the preaching of Peter and of Paul:

The Gospel According to John the Baptizer
According to John the Baptizer in the words we just read, there were two requirements necessary to become a member of the Kingdom:
1.Repent
2. Be baptized. The end or purpose of baptism was the affirmation of one’s decision, the entrance into the door of salvation, and the beginning of the process of sending sin out of one’s life, and thus the bearing of fruit that is worthy of repentance.

The Gospel According to Jesus
Matt 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

John 4:1-3 Now when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples), he left Judea and departed again to Galilee.

Jesus proclaimed the same requirements! Repent and be baptized.

The Gospel According to Peter
After Peter had addressed the men of Judea, showing that God had raised Jesus from the death, and that they had crucified Him, the following exchange took place:

Acts 2:36-39
“... Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."
Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"
And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the sending away of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."

What were Peter’s requirements to appropriate the benefits of gospel? Repent and be baptized! The only difference was that now that Jesus had been raised, the gift of His Spirit was given.

Now some claim that John the baptizer and Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, but the apostle Paul opened the new order of the Church, by preaching the gospel of grace.
C.I. Scofield, in his notes on the Sermon on the Mount went so far as to affirm that it is neither the duty nor the privilege for the Christian to obey the laws of Christ expressed in those chapters ---- that they were the laws of the kingdom offered to the Jews, but that since the Jews rejected the kingdom it was to be postponed. Such teachers declare that now that we are under grace, we should listen to Paul, for the words of Christ no longer apply to us who live in the age of grace.

But as Paul made abundantly clear, there is only one gospel. That one gospel is the gospel of the Kingdom and Paul himself preached it!

The Gospel According to Paul

Acts 28:30,31 And he lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ quite openly and unhindered.

But did Paul declare the necessity of repentance, as did John the Baptizer, Jesus, and Peter? Or did he teach that all that is necessary is to believe in the atoning work of Christ? In explaining to King Agrippa his experience with Jesus on the road to Damascus he concluded by saying,

Acts 26:19,20 "Wherefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.

Doesn't Paul’s gospel resemble that proclaimed by John the baptizer?
Yes, Paul preached repentance, and doing deeds worthy of repentance as John the baptizer did. But did Paul proclaim the necessity of baptism? We read:

Acts 18: 8 ...many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.

It was after they heard Paul that they were baptized. The necessity of baptism must have been implicit or explicit in Paul’s message. Otherwise, why would they get baptized? So Paul’s gospel not only “resembled†that of John the Baptizer. It was identical! But is baptism really necessary in order to get right with God? Let’s look at the life of Paul himself. When were his sins washed away? Was it on the road to Damascus when Jesus spoke to him, and he submitted? That experience certainly turned him around. He was blinded, and was then ready to do what the Lord Jesus told him to do. But later, it was Ananias who counseled him to be baptized. From Paul’s own account of the matter, Ananias said:

Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

So it was not when Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus, but at his baptism that Paul had his sins washed away.

Jesus taught:
John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is generated of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Although there is much controversy about the meaning of “generated of waterâ€Â, many understand it to be baptism. This view is consistent with Justin Martyr’s explanation of the ways of Christians to Augustus Caesar and to his son. Justin was born in 110 A.D. In chapter 61 of Justin’s “First Apologyâ€Â, we find his explanation of Christian baptism.

I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God having been made new through Christ; lest, if we omit this, we seem to be unfair in the explanation we are making. As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we praying and fasting with them.

Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated... For Christ also said, “Except ye be generated again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.â€Â... And how those who have sinned and repent shall escape their sins, is declared by Isaiah the prophet... he thus speaks: “Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from your souls; learn to do well; judge the fatherless, and plead for the widow: and come and let us reason together, saith the Lord. And though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool; and though they be as crimson, I will make them white as snow. But if ye refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.â€Â...that he may obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed, there is pronounced over him who chooses to be regenerated, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe...â€Â

What About John 3:16 and Acts 16:29-31...?
Acts 16:29-31 And he (the Philippian jailer) called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out and said, “Men, what must I do to be saved?†And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.â€Â

Do these passages contradict the requirements Jesus and Peter gave for becoming right with God? Do they require something less to be saved? So often today, we hear that all you have to do to get right with God is “accept Christ as your personal saviourâ€Â. That’s a phrase we don’t find in any New Testament or early Christian writing. Or all you have to do is pray “God be merciful to me a sinner†, or “I realize I’m a sinner, Jesus, and that you died to save me. I hereby accept your finished work to make me fit for heaven.†Or some other prayer.
I recall a woman from my local area who affirmed that she would not become a Christian, because she just didn’t want to have to come to the front of a church and weep and cry. Some time later, she told me that she found out from her Christian friend that a person doesn’t have to come forward, weeping and crying. “All you have to do,†she explained, “is say a little prayer, and you’ll be a Christian.†That’s the way the woman understood the “gospel†which was presented to her. One wonders how many people have “said the little prayer†and remained unchanged, but are under the delusion that they are now “savedâ€Â, that they can go on living their lives as usual, but with the expectation that they’ll go to heaven when they die, or when they are raised again to life.

So, it is said, that all we have to do is believe in Jesus. However, the whole crux of the matter lies in that little word "pisteuO" which has been translated “believeâ€Â. Indeed, the word does mean “believe†in many contexts. But another meaning is given in John’s account of Jesus’ life:

John 2:23-25 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. He did not need ma’s testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.

Is not “entrust†also the way the word is used in John 3:16 and Acts 16:29-31? If we entrust ourselves to Jesus, this includes repentance and baptism.

Luke 13:5 I tell you ... unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
John 3:5 Jesus responded, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is generated of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

 

[dan p]

You are the first person Ive ever heard say the apostles were not members of the body of Christ.Maybe we should have a poll on the board and see how many people agree with you.

1) Within our Assemblies , their is division on whether the 12 are in the Body of Christ or NOT. I believe that they are NOT because of 1 Cor 15:8 , because only one was aborted , and that was Paul .

2) Then Paul was picked by Christ in Acts 9 , to preach the Gospel of the Grace of God in Acts 20:24 and 1 Cor 9:17 .

 

[Adullam]

Teaching something and experiencing something are 2 different things. But I think we all know what the answer would be if the question was...are we experiencing Acts 2 as our own church life? :gah

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[duval]

We can if we "rightliy divide the word of truth".

 

[dan p]

dan

1) Why do you say that the 12 APOSTLES were saved by GRACE , when they were sent out to baptize , in Mark 16:16-20 , and do these sign follow everyone one today

Now,if its your claim that the apostles are not saved by grace and are saved another way then prove it.Ive not read of another way to be saved.

If its your claim that the apostles are not saved then prove it.

1) Hi Shilohsfoal , I know that no one can show a verse where the Apostles were saved by Grace of God, because Christ had NOT yet died in the Gospels .

2) In Habakkuk 2:4 , under the Old Covenant , The just shall live BY his faith , and to me that is the Old Covenant .

3) Then God sends John the Baptist in Matt 3 , to get Israel clean , by Baptism , and in Mark 16:16 ,you do believe it ? right ?

4) The 12 Apostles were to preach to all , and in v17 , he that believeth and is baptized is saved .

5) Is that true in Christ earhtly ministry ? They will speak in new tongues, cast out demons , take up serpents , drink any deadly thing , and heal the sick , you believe that , right and THAT it is for today ?

6) Your comments , please ? dan p

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"dan p1
Hi Shilohsfoal , I know that no one can show a verse where the Apostles were saved by Grace of God, because Christ had NOT yet died in the Gospels .

The apostles didnt die till after Christ died and was risen.You keep saying they were under the old covenant but they were not.Perhaps you havnt paid attention that they were given to drink of the cup of the new testiment in Jesus's blood.They were not in bondage after Jesus made them free.Do you not realize Jesus died for those apostles?

2) In Habakkuk 2:4 , under the Old Covenant , The just shall live BY his faith , and to me that is the Old Covenant

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Faith is preached throughout the new testiment.

3) Then God sends John the Baptist in Matt 3 , to get Israel clean , by Baptism , and in Mark 16:16 ,you do believe it ? right ?

Mark 16;16 says nothing about water and I do not believe taking a bath in the water of this world can wash away sin.

4) The 12 Apostles were to preach to all , and in v17 , he that believeth and is baptized is saved .

I was baptised in the holy spirit after believing what the apostles were preaching to me in the gospels.

5) Is that true in Christ earhtly ministry ? They will speak in new tongues, cast out demons , take up serpents , drink any deadly thing , and heal the sick , you believe that , right and THAT it is for today ?

I havnt spoken in another tongue as far as I know ,but I havnt seen any reason why the Holy Spirit would have me too seeing I tend to hang around english speaking people.I have drank poison though.It didnt seem to do anything.I have picked up snakes before but I had done that before I was baptised in the Holy Spirit.Ive never been bitten by one so I cant speak of that experience.
I cant speak of what other people in this world experience.If you are asking can the word of God still be in affect today the answer is yes.Those things can happen today.

 

[dan p]

Hi , can you expain Mark 16:16-18 , and tell me if you find Grace There ?

1) Is there Grace in Acts 2:38 ?

2) Show where Grace is Preached and taught in Matt 28:19,20 ?

3) Paul is the only one that Preachs Grace , because he is the Apostle of Grace to the Gentiles Rom 11:13 .

 

[duval]

Hi Dan

certainly there IS grace in Acts 2:38 and Mk.16:16. The word GRACE does not have to appear in a passage for it to be there.

God bless
duval

 

[CatholicFirefighter]

Hi to all , and all you have to see , this truth , is to go to a Borders Book Store and look for this title.

1) " The Everything Catholicism Book " is sold there .

2) That is not a big deal , is it ?

3) This just some of WHAT they believe and I believe they can believe what they want .

4) They begin the Body of Christ at Acts 2 .

5) But they have also taken other teaching of the Nation of Israel as their own .

6) Like the Priesthood .

7) The Lord's earthly ministry .

8) water baptism .

9) The Gospel of the Kingdom preaching of the Jesus .

10) The Lord's Communion .

11) Even the use of tongues .

12) Even vision's , and of course their are more .

13) Are you one of the many churches that are teaching Roman Catholoicism , doctrine , tenets , and don't realize that you are a Roman Catholic ? Are you ?

14) The Body of Christ is not in gospels , but was reaveled as it was given to the Apostle Paul , after Acts 9 .

Heh dan,

As a well informed Faithful Catholic with years of study behind him, I can say I never heard of that book.

Don't really need it either.

If anyone is really interested in knowing the formal teachings of the Catholic Church, they can purchase a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church for only $8.99.

And if they don't have the $$, they don't even need to buy it! They can read it online for FREE right here:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Just FYI ...

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Hi , can you expain Mark 16:16-18 , and tell me if you find Grace There ?

1) Is there Grace in Acts 2:38 ?

2) Show where Grace is Preached and taught in Matt 28:19,20 ?

3) Paul is the only one that Preachs Grace , because he is the Apostle of Grace to the Gentiles Rom 11:13 .

I find the grace of God in much of the scriptures.
Tell me,can you find grace in the verse below?

Luke 7;48
And he said unto her,Thy sins are forgiven.

If not,has your sins been forgiven?

 

[Paidion]

There's Churches that teach the body of Christ begins in Acts 9????? What denominations are those???

It's not particular denominations which teach this; it's rather people who subscribe to what is called "ultra-dispensationalism". These people claim that parts of the NT were for particular people, usually addressed to Jews, but only what is addressed to Christians by the apostle Paul can be accepted as instructions for Christians. Discerning who is the recipient of the teaching, they call "rightly dividing the word of truth".

I am not even a classic dispensationalist any longer, like C.I. Scofield, A.C. Gabelein et al, let alone an ultra! I left dispensationalism behind when I was about 25.

We cannot Biblically differentiate between "the gospel of grace" and "the gospel of the Kingdom". There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL, and that is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

According to Mark 1:1 that gospel began with the preaching of John the baptizer in the desert. His message, "Repent (have a change of heart and mind) for the forsaking of sins, and be baptized, for the Kingdom of God (or the Kingdom of Heaven; it's the same thing) is at hand." Jesus preached the same thing and baptized disciples (or rather His apostles did). Peter preached the same message, "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forsaking of your sins", but he added one extra thing "and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". For the Spirit had come on that special day of Pentecost, and remained with the followers of Christ thereafter.
Paul also proclaimed the same message.

But did Paul limit himself to "the gospel of grace" after Acts 9? Or did he continue to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom? The answer is "the latter"!

Let's read the proof --- the final two verse of Acts:

He lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him, proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance.

 

[dan p]

Hi to all , and all you have to see , this truth , is to go to a Borders Book Store and look for this title.

1) " The Everything Catholicism Book " is sold there .

2) That is not a big deal , is it ?

3) This just some of WHAT they believe and I believe they can believe what they want .

4) They begin the Body of Christ at Acts 2 .

5) But they have also taken other teaching of the Nation of Israel as their own .

6) Like the Priesthood .

7) The Lord's earthly ministry .

8) water baptism .

9) The Gospel of the Kingdom preaching of the Jesus .

10) The Lord's Communion .

11) Even the use of tongues .

12) Even vision's , and of course their are more .

13) Are you one of the many churches that are teaching Roman Catholoicism , doctrine , tenets , and don't realize that you are a Roman Catholic ? Are you ?

14) The Body of Christ is not in gospels , but was reaveled as it was given to the Apostle Paul , after Acts 9 .

Heh dan,

As a well informed Faithful Catholic with years of study behind him, I can say I never heard of that book.

Don't really need it either.

If anyone is really interested in knowing the formal teachings of the Catholic Church, they can purchase a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church for only $8.99.

And if they don't have the $$, they don't even need to buy it! They can read it online for FREE right here:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Just FYI ...

Hi FTI , I just used that book , to show where I received my information and what the name was , if they wanted to purchase it , but om Line is better , heh, heh , dan p