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Dr John refers to Dr. John Walvoord served as President of DTS from 1952 until 1986. He authored over thirty books during that tenure ,today Im concerned with 2 of that total.

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  • John 6:39
    And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

  • John 6:40
    And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

  • John 6:44
    No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

  • John 6:54
    Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

  • John 7:37
    In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

  • John 11:24
    Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day
  • John 12:48
    He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
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The term 'last day' is used eight times in all of Scripture, John records seven of these, six of which are spoken by our Lord personally. There is no rational argument against the eschatological importance of these verses. The subject and speaker are fairly important in Chrisitan circles.

Back to our friend Dr. John.

Two titles of Dr John contain a common element I find troubling.

The Rapture Question, 1979, Major Bible Prophecies, 1991 .

All are Walvoord's explanations of his 'pre-tribulation' rapture doctrine and associated topics. That is not a problem and he is entitled to his view.

What disturbs me is a window on DF thinking that appears through these works. The subject of each is Bible prophecies set,according to Walvoord, to come to pass in the relatively near future. Each one has a great deal to say regarding the resurrection and its effects on the church the world and the end of history. None of these works even mention the verses quoted above. In The Rapture Question the entire sixth chapter of John is missing from the Scripture index. In Major Bible Prophecies John 6;54 appears in a note on page 246.

Imagine the head of the largest seminary in the world, of its type writing two separate books chiefly concerned with rapture/resurrection completely ignoring the only six passages in which our Lord personally makes declarations directly pertinent to the subject at hand. This is astounding and the silence speaks volumes.
 
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it doesnt suprised me given most dont really read the bible in depth and just take the preachers word.

i have a motto. if it in the word of god ,learn it and be able to teach it.

one doesnt have to teach in the church but you do have (if one is married ) persons to instruct.
 
I came across my copy of The Second Coming of Christ, C Larkin @1922. This is a short work ,fewer that 100 pages. Lots of charts and diagrams but it lacks a scripture index. Guessed yet?

So far I have not found a single quote John six or even an allusion to the passage .

The nuts dont fall far from the tree.
 
WOW
With as much Bible as i had as a kid I cant believe how little i grew up knowing about those teachers own works.

Why would a servant of God twist the Word? Now that i see the question i have asked i will restate
Would a servant of God twist the Word?
 
Just to be clear.

DTS? Dallas Theological Seminary, correct?



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!
Yup. It travels along a line from

Scofield, mentor ,associate of Chafer

Cafer ,founder and first President of DTS, in 1952 hands the reins to

Walvoord, who is President when Pentecost, McGee and Ryrie are faculty

members, and Hal is a student .
 
WOW
With as much Bible as i had as a kid I cant believe how little i grew up knowing about those teachers own works.

Why would a servant of God twist the Word? Now that i see the question i have asked i will restate
Would a servant of God twist the Word?
Well this is actually making me sick to my stomach.

I located my old copy of Pentecost's 'Things to Come'. On page 398 under the heading ; II

The Time of the Resurrection
he writes;

"The Old Testament clearly taught the fact of the resurrection.... but no revelation was made concerning the the time element involved.'

On page 400 he quotes John 5;28,29 and goes on to say'

"The Lord in this passage is teaching the universality of the resurrection program and the distinctions within that program but is not teaching the time at which the various resurrections will take place "


Please note that no use or mention of the passages quoted in the OP, John 6;39-54 ,is contained in the remaining part of this chapter or the entire 180 pages left of the book.

Previously on page 175 Pentecosts writes;

'Thus it is wrong to conclude that 'that day' or 'the last day' must teach that all saints will be resurrected at the same moment of time...'

'the passages from the Gospels John 6;39-54...all apply to God's program for Israel'.

Of course Pentecost has on page 11 begun the extollation of 'The advantages of the literal method'


Dr Pentecost left a legacy of lies.


I would have included longer passages from Pentecost's perversion but I have to type them out manually, all are requested to verify the references given for technical and contextual accuracy.
 
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These guys scream ego to me... I am quickly reminded of .......


I guess if the Church age was just an after thought.. why not? :shrug For the church age to be an after thought so much scripture has to be denied.
 
These guys scream ego to me... I am quickly reminded of .......


I guess if the Church age was just an after thought.. why not? :shrug For the church age to be an after thought so much scripture has to be denied.
They hold in common this expectation ;

Speaking of modern Israel;

'In like manner the true remnant will be converted quickly as they see Christ in person coming to establish His messianic kingdom.


Prophetic Truth for Today, p 45

This is what Paul called 'another Gospel'
 
and few if any dispy see that. man thats sick.

biblical illiteracy plain and simple allows that. common sense if God is coming back, there has to be ressurection.


while i hold to a type of 1000 yr reign, albeit closer to spurgeons style. i simply dont see that the isreal will be used with the ot laws to win souls when the very convenant was to put into the place a high priest that always intercedes and is immutable.
 
and few if any dispy see that. man thats sick.

biblical illiteracy plain and simple allows that. common sense if God is coming back, there has to be ressurection.


while i hold to a type of 1000 yr reign, albeit closer to spurgeons style. i simply dont see that the isreal will be used with the ot laws to win souls when the very convenant was to put into the place a high priest that always intercedes and is immutable.
Pentecost taught that the church will inhabit the City floating above the earth and Christ will commute ...Im not kidding. But thats for another thread.
 
As adamant as Walvoord was about his position, he also said this:

(paraphrase) No one end times position is 100% correct.

Back to the books, John. :study
 
Pentecost taught that the church will inhabit the City floating above the earth and Christ will commute ...Im not kidding. But thats for another thread.
lol. you are serious. i have never heard that. figurative language, people. jews use metaphors.

:nono2
like this one that some say god isnt omnipresent when the bible speaks of being cast away from his presence. then they say god wont look upon sin. so i guess god dont enter churches as thats where the sinners that believe in him are.

:eeeekkk if i didnt read that elsewhere i wouldnt have believed it.i can post the link if you want.
 
lol. you are serious. i have never heard that. figurative language, people. jews use metaphors.

:nono2
like this one that some say god isnt omnipresent when the bible speaks of being cast away from his presence. then they say god wont look upon sin. so i guess god dont enter churches as thats where the sinners that believe in him are.

:eeeekkk if i didnt read that elsewhere i wouldnt have believed it.i can post the link if you want.
Better you than me LOL
 
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